blitzology
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foretaz said:
NO...don't put Garcia in there....Kenny Thomas...then KT can start at the 4 in IND and Jermaine can start at the 5....put Foster on the bench
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NO...don't put Garcia in there....Kenny Thomas...then KT can start at the 4 in IND and Jermaine can start at the 5....put Foster on the bench
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grandmastapoop
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Peter Vecsey on Peja for Artest
http://www.nypost.com/sports/58543.htm
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Interestingly, he hypothesizes that Barkley was fed the information by new TNT analyst Reggie Miller.
http://www.nypost.com/sports/58543.htm
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Interestingly, he hypothesizes that Barkley was fed the information by new TNT analyst Reggie Miller.
Mike0476
Starter
December 11, 2005 -- HOOP DU JOUR WHEN Charles Barkley — whose weekly substance abuse for TNT is comically commended by many men of the couch — is spoon-fed an item that actually might be newsworthy, it's prudent to pay attention.
Several nights ago, Sir Charlatan claimed the Pacers and Kings had revived trade discussions involving Ron Artest and Peja Stojakovic. Despite Larry Bird's stated fascination with Indiana's compulsive competitor, I've got to believe there's something to it.
For one thing, CEO Donnie Walsh always has coveted the Sacramento sharpshooter.
Number two, without Artest (sprained right wrist) the Pacers' offense conspicuously opened up in the final three quarters of Wednesday's dominant win over the Wizards.
Thirdly, the unbalanced Kings (7-12 going into last night's game in Seattle) need to shake things up. Either Geoff Petrie must fire his best friend, Rick Adelman (I've heard he's asked the Raptors permission to talk to Gene Keady; I'm lying), or he must import a demonic defensive player who derives equal enjoyment from punishing people on offense.
Not that Peja doesn't have other suitors; the Heat, his first choice (he owns a South Beach condo and fantasizes about finishing his career living off the open looks Shaq would create) surely have made a bid, and that goes for the Bulls, as well. But, as far as I can tell, they can't come up with such a savage.
Lastly, TNT's junk journalist wouldn't know fact from fiction if Larry Brown diagrammed the difference on Barkley's drive-in movie-screen forehead.
Therefore, he really has to trust the person who put him up to it. I'm talking colleague Reggie Miller. He's the only one at the network privy to such classified material. Of course, as the former prince of all Pacers, he wouldn't dare break the news on his own.
Is there a Peja-Artest offer on the table at this time?
"No," I'm informed. Nor is it currently being considered.
Have there been conversations along that line?
My source could not tell me that. Not wouldn't, but couldn't. He said he simply did not know. At the same time, he volunteered that the team definitely is entertaining subtractions and additions, because numerous players are unhappy about playing time — Fred Jones, Anthony Johnson (when Jamaal Tinsley's healthy) and David Harrison, who was fined for breaking a glass picture frame of himself near the locker room.
I'm taking that long-winded answer as a "yes."
One more Pacer note: Jonathan Bender will announce his retirement within the next 48 hours due to unbearable problems with both knees. By all accounts, the exceptionally likable Bender may have been the best practice player in NBA history, but bone-on-bone pain was too much to endure.
Forget about going two games in a row, Bender couldn't play back-to-back quarters.
Several nights ago, Sir Charlatan claimed the Pacers and Kings had revived trade discussions involving Ron Artest and Peja Stojakovic. Despite Larry Bird's stated fascination with Indiana's compulsive competitor, I've got to believe there's something to it.
For one thing, CEO Donnie Walsh always has coveted the Sacramento sharpshooter.
Number two, without Artest (sprained right wrist) the Pacers' offense conspicuously opened up in the final three quarters of Wednesday's dominant win over the Wizards.
Thirdly, the unbalanced Kings (7-12 going into last night's game in Seattle) need to shake things up. Either Geoff Petrie must fire his best friend, Rick Adelman (I've heard he's asked the Raptors permission to talk to Gene Keady; I'm lying), or he must import a demonic defensive player who derives equal enjoyment from punishing people on offense.
Not that Peja doesn't have other suitors; the Heat, his first choice (he owns a South Beach condo and fantasizes about finishing his career living off the open looks Shaq would create) surely have made a bid, and that goes for the Bulls, as well. But, as far as I can tell, they can't come up with such a savage.
Lastly, TNT's junk journalist wouldn't know fact from fiction if Larry Brown diagrammed the difference on Barkley's drive-in movie-screen forehead.
Therefore, he really has to trust the person who put him up to it. I'm talking colleague Reggie Miller. He's the only one at the network privy to such classified material. Of course, as the former prince of all Pacers, he wouldn't dare break the news on his own.
Is there a Peja-Artest offer on the table at this time?
"No," I'm informed. Nor is it currently being considered.
Have there been conversations along that line?
My source could not tell me that. Not wouldn't, but couldn't. He said he simply did not know. At the same time, he volunteered that the team definitely is entertaining subtractions and additions, because numerous players are unhappy about playing time — Fred Jones, Anthony Johnson (when Jamaal Tinsley's healthy) and David Harrison, who was fined for breaking a glass picture frame of himself near the locker room.
I'm taking that long-winded answer as a "yes."
One more Pacer note: Jonathan Bender will announce his retirement within the next 48 hours due to unbearable problems with both knees. By all accounts, the exceptionally likable Bender may have been the best practice player in NBA history, but bone-on-bone pain was too much to endure.
Forget about going two games in a row, Bender couldn't play back-to-back quarters.
foretaz
Bench
well...lemme see....i guess in this case it doesnt really require having any inside knowledge...just a bit of knowledge of all the factors in play....
the pacers have a payroll that is well above the lux tax threshhold...and the owners have made it abundantly clear they are not happy with that and do not wish to pay the tax...and the financial position of the team in that regard is mentioned fairly regularly when walsh or bird speak....
right now JO is playing the center position out of necessity not because thats the design...
jo is neither suited to it nor does he like doing it...it takes more wear and tear on his body, and given the teams injury situation in the playoffs of the past few years, extra care is being given to this area....as soon as foster is back healthy and in shape he will return to the starting lineup...
as far as kt goes specifically, hes an undersized pf...good player but bad contract...we already have one of those in austin croshere-though hes not really undersized, just overpaid....and danny granger is actually very similar to kt, right down to their alma mater...he rebounds very well, and all signs point to him being a very good offensive player and is almost assuredly a better defender than kt....
so to add another player that is a duplication a couple times over, especially when u consider his contract situation, its not hard to surmise that the pacers would have zero interest....
hope that helps...
the pacers have a payroll that is well above the lux tax threshhold...and the owners have made it abundantly clear they are not happy with that and do not wish to pay the tax...and the financial position of the team in that regard is mentioned fairly regularly when walsh or bird speak....
right now JO is playing the center position out of necessity not because thats the design...
jo is neither suited to it nor does he like doing it...it takes more wear and tear on his body, and given the teams injury situation in the playoffs of the past few years, extra care is being given to this area....as soon as foster is back healthy and in shape he will return to the starting lineup...
as far as kt goes specifically, hes an undersized pf...good player but bad contract...we already have one of those in austin croshere-though hes not really undersized, just overpaid....and danny granger is actually very similar to kt, right down to their alma mater...he rebounds very well, and all signs point to him being a very good offensive player and is almost assuredly a better defender than kt....
so to add another player that is a duplication a couple times over, especially when u consider his contract situation, its not hard to surmise that the pacers would have zero interest....
hope that helps...
yanon said:
There's a pretty good discussion about this very thing in the NBA forum:
http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9240
Mike0476
Starter
With Artest's stock dropping by the second, these trades would be nice but only in my dreams:
1. Indiana trades Ron Artest to Sacramento for Kenny Thomas
- Of course, Artest comes off the bench unless Wells doesn't mind being the new sixth man
- Positive of this trade is the Kings get rid of a long, overpaid contract in Thomas for Artest. If things don't pan out, the Kings could always trade Artest.
2. Indiana trades Ron Artest to Sacramento for Corliss Williamson & Kevin Martin
- I kind of like this because we don't use Williamson or Martin that much to begin with. Imagine a new bench with Thomas, Artest (or Wells) along with Skinner and Hart adding some defense.
3. Indiana trades Ron Artest & Anthony Johnson to Sacramento for Kenny Thomas & Jason Hart
- Just trying to find different combinations without having to deal Peja Stojakovic.
1. Indiana trades Ron Artest to Sacramento for Kenny Thomas
- Of course, Artest comes off the bench unless Wells doesn't mind being the new sixth man
- Positive of this trade is the Kings get rid of a long, overpaid contract in Thomas for Artest. If things don't pan out, the Kings could always trade Artest.
2. Indiana trades Ron Artest to Sacramento for Corliss Williamson & Kevin Martin
- I kind of like this because we don't use Williamson or Martin that much to begin with. Imagine a new bench with Thomas, Artest (or Wells) along with Skinner and Hart adding some defense.
3. Indiana trades Ron Artest & Anthony Johnson to Sacramento for Kenny Thomas & Jason Hart
- Just trying to find different combinations without having to deal Peja Stojakovic.
GoGoGadget
All-Star
Mike0476 said:
Peja on the same team as Bonzi and Artest? If that ever happened, we might as well give Peja a big fluffy pillow for all the time he'll spend lying in the corner in the fetal position.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I like this -- Pacers & Kings boards initiating high level trade negotiations for Peja & Artest. 
Who needs those stupid overcautious GMs anyway?
Who needs those stupid overcautious GMs anyway?
how about....putting SAR back to his primary SF postion, and trade peja for a not a all-star, but a OK GOOD TRUE PF or TRUE C who can rebound + block shots? (like...Mourning or Swift or whoever you can think of)
despite peja seems to get his shots back lately, I think the chance for him to stay in Kings is very low (if he plays good, he ask for max contract; if he plays bad, fans don't want him)...if we can get C/PF + a very good bench(I believe Peja still has enough trading value for a C/PF + a good bench player), we will have something like this:
C: TRUE CENTER/ B. Miller
PF: B. Miller/ TRUE PF <--- if i remember right, B.Miller played PF in Pacers before
SF: SAR
SG: B. Wells
PG: M. Bibby
bench: 1) Sixth Man of year
2) Whatever....
3) Who cares....
seems good to me.....isn't it?
despite peja seems to get his shots back lately, I think the chance for him to stay in Kings is very low (if he plays good, he ask for max contract; if he plays bad, fans don't want him)...if we can get C/PF + a very good bench(I believe Peja still has enough trading value for a C/PF + a good bench player), we will have something like this:
C: TRUE CENTER/ B. Miller
PF: B. Miller/ TRUE PF <--- if i remember right, B.Miller played PF in Pacers before
SF: SAR
SG: B. Wells
PG: M. Bibby
bench: 1) Sixth Man of year
2) Whatever....
3) Who cares....
seems good to me.....isn't it?
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playmaker0017
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Did someone mention Swift as a "TRUE PF"?
That's laughable.
That's laughable.
How about this. It would give us a bench and makes sense from both sides.
Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
6.2 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.3 apg in 17.4 minutes
Jason Hart
6-3 PG from Syracuse
3.1 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 1.0 apg in 12.9 minutes
Incoming
Earl Watson
6-1 PG from UCLA
4.1 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 14.2 minutes
Voshon Lenard
6-4 SG from Minnesota
9.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 21.3 minutes
Change in team outlook: +3.8 ppg, -1.3 rpg, and +1.2 apg.
Denver Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Earl Watson
6-1 PG from UCLA
4.1 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 14.2 minutes
Voshon Lenard
6-4 SG from Minnesota
9.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 21.3 minutes
Incoming
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
6.2 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.3 apg in 17.4 minutes
Jason Hart
6-3 PG from Syracuse
3.1 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 1.0 apg in 12.9 minutes
Change in team outlook: -3.8 ppg, +1.3 rpg, and -1.2 apg.
Successful Scenario
Due to Sacramento and Denver being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Sacramento and Denver had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
6.2 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.3 apg in 17.4 minutes
Jason Hart
6-3 PG from Syracuse
3.1 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 1.0 apg in 12.9 minutes
Incoming
Earl Watson
6-1 PG from UCLA
4.1 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 14.2 minutes
Voshon Lenard
6-4 SG from Minnesota
9.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 21.3 minutes
Change in team outlook: +3.8 ppg, -1.3 rpg, and +1.2 apg.
Denver Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Earl Watson
6-1 PG from UCLA
4.1 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 14.2 minutes
Voshon Lenard
6-4 SG from Minnesota
9.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 21.3 minutes
Incoming
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
6.2 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.3 apg in 17.4 minutes
Jason Hart
6-3 PG from Syracuse
3.1 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 1.0 apg in 12.9 minutes
Change in team outlook: -3.8 ppg, +1.3 rpg, and -1.2 apg.
Successful Scenario
Due to Sacramento and Denver being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Sacramento and Denver had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
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playmaker0017
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Love the Denver trade - but would they do it?
They might be Artest-hunting themselves ... and Voshon would be a piece to that puzzle, no?
They might be Artest-hunting themselves ... and Voshon would be a piece to that puzzle, no?
SacKings384
Starter
According to FoxSports.Com, Donnie Walsch has agreed to try and trade Artest.
blitzology
G-League
Even if Peja has played well the last 2 games, they SHOULD trade him for Artest. Artest is a BETTER SCORER and is better and every single other aspect of the game. Remember, he was the 2nd scorer for the Pacers and still averaged 19 a game. Oh, and he does lead the league in steals also. Stop bringing up his attitude...look how BONZI has done.
nbrans
All-Star
Three way trade:
KT or (gulp) SAR to Atlanta
Al Harrington to Indiana
Artest to Sactown
Atlanta finally gets an actual power forward.
Indiana gets Harrington back.
Kings get Artest.
P.S. If the Kings had to throw in a pick with KT, by all means.
This is a trade I fear: Earl Watson, Linas Kleiza to Atlanta, Al Harrington to Indiana, Artest to Denver. This way, Atlanta gets a point guard. However, I'm just crossing my fingers that they want a power forward instead -- those seem to be harder to come by these days.
KT or (gulp) SAR to Atlanta
Al Harrington to Indiana
Artest to Sactown
Atlanta finally gets an actual power forward.
Indiana gets Harrington back.
Kings get Artest.
P.S. If the Kings had to throw in a pick with KT, by all means.
This is a trade I fear: Earl Watson, Linas Kleiza to Atlanta, Al Harrington to Indiana, Artest to Denver. This way, Atlanta gets a point guard. However, I'm just crossing my fingers that they want a power forward instead -- those seem to be harder to come by these days.
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
piksi said:
He also won't have much impact on a game.
