nbrans
All-Star
I really like Thad Young. He's extremely athletic, a great shooter, and a prototypical small forward. He needs to work on his handle, but I'd rather have him than Hawes or Conley.
Officially announced NBA Draft pick order
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I really like Thad Young. He's extremely athletic, a great shooter, and a prototypical small forward. He needs to work on his handle, but I'd rather have him than Hawes or Conley.
Is anyone else getting tired of (again) "if we would have only lost to the Clippers/Suns???" We didn't lose--we won. Talking today to the most knowledgable basketball game person we know (he is 75 and born and lived in Boston for over 50 years) he said something like: "It takes a man with balls to always try his best and it takes a wimp to lose on purpose." "The object of the game of basketball is to win---period."
It would have been unbelieveably great if we would have drawn a lower number, but this draft is really deep and hopefully we will get a good player. We need to look forward and not backwards. Some of the posts have been doing just that with interesting ideas. Good for you! Annie.
It would have been unbelieveably great if we would have drawn a lower number, but this draft is really deep and hopefully we will get a good player. We need to look forward and not backwards. Some of the posts have been doing just that with interesting ideas. Good for you! Annie.
ParniValjak
All-Star
I just think that if we don't trade up to the 3-5 range that we won't be getting that stud PF that we all won't. What we would pick up at 10 would be a good role players. Not something that you can build around. So I think we should go for the BPA regardless of what position they play. Someone with most upside and Thad Young has the potential to be a perennial All-Star. I would rather him than a role playing big. We need star quality, not role players.
HighFlyingMonkey
Starter
It could get even worse; If Zach Randolph was traded for a resigned Rashard Lewis (A Deal that benefits both teams a lot, since Durant makes Lewis expendable in Seattle):
Jack/Roy/Lewis/Aldridge/Oden
And Seattle looks like:
Ridnour/Allen/Durant/Randolph/Petro
It's a good time to be a Blazers/Sonics fanIf I was the Blazers I would look to move Aldridge for a veteran star type player. SF seems to be their weakest postion. They could really use Artest.
gunks
Hall of Famer
Seriously...Thanks team.
And way to not blow it up and get a few more losses when we had the chance Petrie.
...Sigh...
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
You can inform gramps for me that I would generally kick his *** in just about any competition you would like to name. Precisely because being a "man with balls" is a perversion of competition. An outside "virtue" that restricts your imagination and options. There is a time for it, just as there is a time for everything. But there is NEVER a time not to be smart.
And yes, its in the past. But in the past is no excuse for stupidity. Nor for octagenarian machismo. We have to live with it. We also have to live with drafting Pervis Ellison, letting Gerald Wallace go, and hiring Muss. One good way to gauge intelligence is do you learn from mistakes.
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=LarryLegend=
Starter
Draft Maybe A Blessing
14. Los Angeles Clippers
13. New Orleans Hornets
12. Philadelphia 76ers
11. Indiana Pacers
10. Sacramento Kings - ROY HIBBERTTTT????
9. Chicago Bulls - Yi Jianlian
8. Charlotte Bobcats - Juilan Wright
7. Minnesota Timberwolves - Corey Brewer
6. Milwaukee Bucks - Joakim Noah
5. Boston Celtics - Brandan Wright
4. Memphis Grizzlies - Al Horford
3. Atlanta Hawks - Mike Conley Jr
2. Seattle Supersonics - Kevin Durant
1. Portland Trailblazers - Greg Oden
Team needs change with the big 2 going not to Mem and Bost. this might help us get Roy hibbert or maybe julian wright, or noah. I can see the kings trying to get chicagos number 9 maybe for SAR and someone. Look at it like than
We could maybeeeee get roy.
14. Los Angeles Clippers
13. New Orleans Hornets
12. Philadelphia 76ers
11. Indiana Pacers
10. Sacramento Kings - ROY HIBBERTTTT????
9. Chicago Bulls - Yi Jianlian
8. Charlotte Bobcats - Juilan Wright
7. Minnesota Timberwolves - Corey Brewer
6. Milwaukee Bucks - Joakim Noah
5. Boston Celtics - Brandan Wright
4. Memphis Grizzlies - Al Horford
3. Atlanta Hawks - Mike Conley Jr
2. Seattle Supersonics - Kevin Durant
1. Portland Trailblazers - Greg Oden
Team needs change with the big 2 going not to Mem and Bost. this might help us get Roy hibbert or maybe julian wright, or noah. I can see the kings trying to get chicagos number 9 maybe for SAR and someone. Look at it like than
We could maybeeeee get roy.
Personally, I find statistical probabilities to be more persuasive than the idea of curses.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
I think the Bobcats take Hibbert if he's available.
You honestly think Calderon is worthy of a lotto pick in this draft?
Kings will probably draft Julian Wright/Hawes/Hibbert/Noah whosever left of those at 10.
nbrans
All-Star
I think he's worth the 10th pick if there isn't a good big left on the board. He was great in the playoffs (13 and 5 in 24 minutes), had a very solid season, and is only 25. I'd much rather have him than Conley -- he's already become the player you'd hope Conley would turn out to be, and to me that's worth the 10th pick.
John Galt
Starter
wow. that's cool.
It was on the coach (and gm) to shelve the vets and play the kids from March on. They didn't. It's long since over.
I think it is a perversion of life itself to wish that an athlete would play less than the best he can... no matter what. And sometimes your spiteful remarks make it seem that you are disgusted that the ballplayers won against the Clips and Suns. That is hard to understand.
I think it is ok to be angry with the front office and coaching staff for not "tanking". But the continuous whining over the spilt barn door is really boring.
John Galt
Starter
Come on who are you trying to kid? There are a few bleeding deacons on this board who berate people who don't exhibit the proper reverence for the tanking concept. For a long time now. Everyone knows who they are. Sometimes in their zeal to reiterate their point they get downright meanspirited and it is a shame.
If "gramps" was actually talking about Geoff's and Eric's balls... I'll take it back and I disagree with gramps. But if he was talking about Salmons' and Price's balls... or whichever guys were on the floor... then I'm with gramps. Either way I have long since grown tired of the "mourning that we didn't lose more" routine.
I think the Celts and Grizz would beg to differ on whether this lottery constituted proof of the tanking concept.
This draft lottery shows that tanking doesn't necessarily get you a top pick. I don't see that as a success.
Having said that, the whole tanking issue is moot. The Kings didn't tank - and they got the 10th pick. The Memphis Grizzlies and the Boston Celtics did everything but declare themselves the newest attraction at Sea World and even with the worst records they didn't get the premium picks.
Isn't continuing the argument about tanking kind of like arguing about what tickets you had for the first round of the Kings playoffs for 2007?
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
Yeah, I'd have to agree...I wouldnt want to go to battle with just Okafor and Sean May...oh yeah, and lets not forget Primoz Brezec.
With Hibbert, that front line becomes kinda scary with Roy and Emeka...LOTS of rebounds and blocks!
Sptsjunkie
Starter
Getting over the initial dissapointment of not getting a superstar, Jilan could be a good fit next to Jefferson. From what I have heard about Jialan, their games could complement each other nicely at least on the offensive end.
uolj
Starter
Not really. One will never be relevant, but the other could be relevant again as early as next season.
If you (general you, not specifically you VF21) think that the Celtics and Grizzlies are evidence that tanking doesn't work, then maybe you didn't understand the concept in the first place. The point is to give yourself a better chance at a superstar and a high pick as consolation. The teams at spots 7-14 are unsurprisingly picking at spots 7-14. The teams who get the superstar are the ones who had the better chance because they lost more games. The Celtics and Grizzlies get top-5 picks as consolation.
I actually hate the idea of tanking, and wasn't completely in favor of it for much of last year. But I don't see how you can argue that it doesn't work.
People can argue about tanking until the cows come home but I'm not going to support it until/unless management comes right out and says they're going to do it. I don't see it happening.
I think it's more a philsophical argument at this point and it's getting a little too heated and, in some cases, a little too insulting for my liking.
I'm not gonna get involved in any more of those kinds of discussions because, to me, they're simply too fraught with anger and hostility.
But maybe that's just me...
Anyway, I would like to make one more comment about the draft pick.
We went into today with the #10 pick. We didn't get any worse. I think there's going to be talent available at the 10 and I'll going to be more interested in what Petrie can do with trades, expiring contracts and free agency.
Peace to all...
I think it's more a philsophical argument at this point and it's getting a little too heated and, in some cases, a little too insulting for my liking.
I'm not gonna get involved in any more of those kinds of discussions because, to me, they're simply too fraught with anger and hostility.
But maybe that's just me...
Anyway, I would like to make one more comment about the draft pick.
We went into today with the #10 pick. We didn't get any worse. I think there's going to be talent available at the 10 and I'll going to be more interested in what Petrie can do with trades, expiring contracts and free agency.
Peace to all...
nbrans
All-Star
I'd rather have the 5th pick than the 10th pick. And I also think the Kings probably should have lost a few more games at the end of the season. But keep in mind that if the Kings hadn't lost the tiebreaker to Chicago and Charlotte, we'd be picking 8th. 5th vs. 8th. There are two players in between there.
I think you can make the case that the damage Boston did to the franchise, the expectations they raised for their fans... I don't know if you could really say at this point that it was all worth it.
Maybe that feeling will pass, but I don't think it's all that clear cut. Particularly in the precarious state this team is in with its players, with the arena situation, with a grumbling fan base... had the situations been reversed and the Kings had out and out tanked like the Celtics did, the damage would have been much greater than the benefit of moving up three spots in the draft.
uolj
Starter
Perhaps, but at the end of the day, both teams pretty much got their worst case. For the Celtics that's the 5th pick and for the Kings it's the 10th.
I also think there will be plenty of Kings fans more upset with the lack of vision than some Celtics fans are upset about the failure to win the lottery. I don't have the pulse of the casual Kings fan, but if the Kings did make a trade for cap space and draft picks and pushed for more playing time for their younger players, and because of it ended up with an even higher draft pick, I don't expect the damage would have been much greater than it already is.
And of course the point is still that it's all about probabilities. If this were to be run 10 times, chances are the Celtics would be huge winners 3 times and the Kings 0.
I also think there will be plenty of Kings fans more upset with the lack of vision than some Celtics fans are upset about the failure to win the lottery. I don't have the pulse of the casual Kings fan, but if the Kings did make a trade for cap space and draft picks and pushed for more playing time for their younger players, and because of it ended up with an even higher draft pick, I don't expect the damage would have been much greater than it already is.
And of course the point is still that it's all about probabilities. If this were to be run 10 times, chances are the Celtics would be huge winners 3 times and the Kings 0.
Evenstar
Starter
WOW portland lucked out... i imagine the town will be abuzzing tomorrow 
seriously, 5.3% chance to win the lottery pick and they do?? damn!
oden anchoring the D, z-bo at PF, brandon roy running the team.. wow portland will have no excuse if they don't make the playoffs next year. hell if they draft oden ( they'd be CRAZY not to) i predict they win a title as soon as duncan retires, or 2012, whichever comes first.
kings at 10... damn i wish we could have lucked out like portland did
THANK GOD the hawks got the 3 pick. i would have flipped out if phoenix got a lottery pick. thats the one hightlight of the lottery draft this year
poor celtics! they showed the fans reaction from a sports bar in boston.. CLASSIC! boston sports fans are teh BEST!
seriously, 5.3% chance to win the lottery pick and they do?? damn!oden anchoring the D, z-bo at PF, brandon roy running the team.. wow portland will have no excuse if they don't make the playoffs next year. hell if they draft oden ( they'd be CRAZY not to) i predict they win a title as soon as duncan retires, or 2012, whichever comes first.
kings at 10... damn i wish we could have lucked out like portland did
THANK GOD the hawks got the 3 pick. i would have flipped out if phoenix got a lottery pick. thats the one hightlight of the lottery draft this year
poor celtics! they showed the fans reaction from a sports bar in boston.. CLASSIC! boston sports fans are teh BEST!
RaY Z
Starter
yeh i was watching it on espn earlier and i saw celtics fan.... he just looked absolutely shocked! like a tear ran down his face....!
bet they wouldve at least expected to get in the top 3...
the guy who was reading out the picks also got shocked when he saw what was on number 5... with the look he gave, before he read it out, i just somehow knew it was going to be the boston celtics...
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ParniValjak
All-Star
"We tanked for Joakim Noah?!"
creAtivetfh
Starter
Roy Hibbert has officially withdrawn from the NBA draft.
this sucks.
this sucks.
