OFFICIAL trade thread. Post trade proposals HERE! (merged)
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Well both guys are being courted by a lot of teams, so likely not much to be said.
Thing is, if Geoff really has a problem with making rumored moves, he's going to have to jsut retire. Its the internet age now, and even in the last 5 years the number of sites, boards, linked papers etc. has just exploded. Maybe in 1998 you can keep something quiet. By 2005 it becomes much less likely. Still possible. But wouldn't surprise me in the least if we hadn't at some point discussed whoever he might want to pick up on this board. There are only so many players, so many possibilities. And a lot of eyes and ears to the ground in the modern era.
Thing is, if Geoff really has a problem with making rumored moves, he's going to have to jsut retire. Its the internet age now, and even in the last 5 years the number of sites, boards, linked papers etc. has just exploded. Maybe in 1998 you can keep something quiet. By 2005 it becomes much less likely. Still possible. But wouldn't surprise me in the least if we hadn't at some point discussed whoever he might want to pick up on this board. There are only so many players, so many possibilities. And a lot of eyes and ears to the ground in the modern era.
Why not try to build a team like that two years ago before webber turned back from injury??????????????????????? Kings were number one in nba, and everybody said clearly that was a championship team, and not only that, even more important maybe, they were a passing team, like no other in nba, and that combined with the shooting killed the other teams....It was really beautifull basketball ....!!!!! I have started to see kings games that year, so i cant tell in the years before...but i can tell you : that team was perfect!! starting five were vlade , miller ,peja , doug , bibby..... still got bibby, peja and miller...and many people say garcias game reminds alot of dougs, he is an allround player...So why not sign a center that has a game like vlade, and who can contribute to the passing style and use garcia instead of doug????
Return of webber did spoil all that.that is so obvious...!!!! But it has nothing to do with webbers skills..he is the best player of them, and clearly better than peja...But he clearly didnt fit in that game style the kings had built up that year....So that is a perfect example of that its not always best to have the best players, but how they play together....!!!!
All that peja critisism really pisses me off, that year he was one the three best players in nba and mvp candidate. he doesnt play as good now because the team plays different! and you say the only way out is to trade him and find one that can creat his own shot...Well maybe that would be good if the team keeps on this style of play !! Because he is not a egoist, and he is a team player who depends on the 4 other players on the team!!! And thats the way it was that year, vlade and doug depended on pejas good shooting. and peja on their passing...thats team play , and it worked 100 procent...! So why not change the style of play to the same again???? Why trade Peja?????
I dont see anything wrong with peja this last season.he is the same man as that year. the only difference is the STYLE of play. Find two players who can deliver like doug and vlade, in the same way most importantly,with passing, they dont even have to be THAT good like those two, and you will get 10 times more of peja and the whole team...! I think actually he did a great job this year considerning that the ball was not passed to him that much , and all those things that happened off the court.
So dont blame Peja, or Bibby, or Miller .Those 3 were on that team! Blame the miss of vlade and doug, and hope to find their replecments!( And maybe garcia is a good one for doug??? )
BUT if those replecemts are not found, and the team keeps on the same style of play as last season, its better to trade peja than!!!! He is a sharpshooter that again i must say, depends on the team to play a passing game, and his shooting makes the passing even easier...
But to play that bad passing game like this season, why do you need Peja???????? There is no need for one of the best shooters ever in basketball, if he doesnt get the ball and open looks, from great passers...!
So its pretty easy, there is 2 options :
1 Make it the passing team again
2 Or trade peja to a guy who is better to other things, is more selfish and can create his own shot, and keep this style of play.
Both options are better than what is seen from this team last season ..its my opinion!
Return of webber did spoil all that.that is so obvious...!!!! But it has nothing to do with webbers skills..he is the best player of them, and clearly better than peja...But he clearly didnt fit in that game style the kings had built up that year....So that is a perfect example of that its not always best to have the best players, but how they play together....!!!!
All that peja critisism really pisses me off, that year he was one the three best players in nba and mvp candidate. he doesnt play as good now because the team plays different! and you say the only way out is to trade him and find one that can creat his own shot...Well maybe that would be good if the team keeps on this style of play !! Because he is not a egoist, and he is a team player who depends on the 4 other players on the team!!! And thats the way it was that year, vlade and doug depended on pejas good shooting. and peja on their passing...thats team play , and it worked 100 procent...! So why not change the style of play to the same again???? Why trade Peja?????
I dont see anything wrong with peja this last season.he is the same man as that year. the only difference is the STYLE of play. Find two players who can deliver like doug and vlade, in the same way most importantly,with passing, they dont even have to be THAT good like those two, and you will get 10 times more of peja and the whole team...! I think actually he did a great job this year considerning that the ball was not passed to him that much , and all those things that happened off the court.
So dont blame Peja, or Bibby, or Miller .Those 3 were on that team! Blame the miss of vlade and doug, and hope to find their replecments!( And maybe garcia is a good one for doug??? )
BUT if those replecemts are not found, and the team keeps on the same style of play as last season, its better to trade peja than!!!! He is a sharpshooter that again i must say, depends on the team to play a passing game, and his shooting makes the passing even easier...
But to play that bad passing game like this season, why do you need Peja???????? There is no need for one of the best shooters ever in basketball, if he doesnt get the ball and open looks, from great passers...!
So its pretty easy, there is 2 options :
1 Make it the passing team again
2 Or trade peja to a guy who is better to other things, is more selfish and can create his own shot, and keep this style of play.
Both options are better than what is seen from this team last season ..its my opinion!
The way trade rumors, or at least hopeful proposals, are being thrown around, I doubt there is any player in the NBA who we could aquire that hasn't been "rumored" on some trade board. I agree with Brick- in this age it's damn near impossible to get a trade without some prior knowledge. Hopefully Petrie just likes to be secretive and won't give up on a trade because someone mentioned it on kingsfans.com or realgm. Of course, Petrie is known to frequent these sites to decide what trades not to execute, so we may be in trouble.
i say we just trade ostertag for kg, straight up. i checked it on realgm, and guess what... it didn't work. but that's not the point. the point is we will be getting kg and they will get ostertag. We may take a very slight salary cap hit, but we will be able to make up for it with all the sales of #21 kings jerseys that just happen not to say divac on the back. Sounds good right?=) jk
Theo Ratliff for Corliss Williamson and O-Tag
portland has been in a cost cutting mode and otag is in the last year of his deal and corliss has a manageable 2 years at 6 mil left... ratliff has been the odd man out in the portland rotation and at $11.6 million/year should be starting, not a bench warmer... the kings give portland a couple of usable big man pieces for their bench and the kings get a starting defensive minded power forward... kings resign mo evans to start while garcia and martin mature... this will give the kings a rotation of...
PF: Ratliff/ Thomas
SF: Peja/ FA (Rodney White/ Rodney Rodgers?)
C: Miller/ Skinner
SG: Evans/ Martin/ Garcia
PG: Bibby/ Jackson
portland has been in a cost cutting mode and otag is in the last year of his deal and corliss has a manageable 2 years at 6 mil left... ratliff has been the odd man out in the portland rotation and at $11.6 million/year should be starting, not a bench warmer... the kings give portland a couple of usable big man pieces for their bench and the kings get a starting defensive minded power forward... kings resign mo evans to start while garcia and martin mature... this will give the kings a rotation of...
PF: Ratliff/ Thomas
SF: Peja/ FA (Rodney White/ Rodney Rodgers?)
C: Miller/ Skinner
SG: Evans/ Martin/ Garcia
PG: Bibby/ Jackson
you wouldn't do a randolph for peja+thomas deal? smokin some good stuff man. obviously you don't know JACK about bartering for value. TRUE low post players that can actually play are worth a hell of a lot more than 3 pt specialist. can you imagine how good the kings would be with a true low post threat?
i'd do that deal in a heartbeat, petrie would do that deal in a heartbeat, ISIAH THOMAS would do that deal in a heartbeat. get my drift? headcase or not, he's worth alot more than peja because of his talents. he'd be alot easier to move than peja and we'd get more in return than peja.
bibby throws the ball into the post for randolph, gets doubled, kicks it out to brad open at the elbow. brad shoots the easy j *SWISH*
peja gets the ball at the 3 pt line, defended by bowen... can't seem to shake free, gets frustrated -- shoots an errant shot -- kings run back to play some defense.
i'd do that deal in a heartbeat, petrie would do that deal in a heartbeat, ISIAH THOMAS would do that deal in a heartbeat. get my drift? headcase or not, he's worth alot more than peja because of his talents. he'd be alot easier to move than peja and we'd get more in return than peja.
bibby throws the ball into the post for randolph, gets doubled, kicks it out to brad open at the elbow. brad shoots the easy j *SWISH*
peja gets the ball at the 3 pt line, defended by bowen... can't seem to shake free, gets frustrated -- shoots an errant shot -- kings run back to play some defense.
Zach Randolph ain't all that, nor does he have some extraordinary trading value. He's got an attitude problem, he's lazy, he plays no defense, he's selfish, and people keep on seeming to miss this but right now, at this moment, he is recovering from MICROFRACTURE surgery to his knee. Yes, the same surgery that permanently hobbled Webb.
Now if you traded him for Peja and Thomas am I hopping up and down mad? No, not necessarily. Could work out for us. He's young, plays in the post, has already gone 20 and 10 and has the potential to maybe be even better. But you also have a real chance for that deal, and that player, to really go south on you and leave you with a disastrous permanently gimpy immature lazy cancer with a monster contract stuck on your roster pulling you down into the lottery.
Now if you traded him for Peja and Thomas am I hopping up and down mad? No, not necessarily. Could work out for us. He's young, plays in the post, has already gone 20 and 10 and has the potential to maybe be even better. But you also have a real chance for that deal, and that player, to really go south on you and leave you with a disastrous permanently gimpy immature lazy cancer with a monster contract stuck on your roster pulling you down into the lottery.
Don't like the possible cancer intake with Randolph. Therefore, IMO Peja is arguably as good a player (regardless of the 20-10), and seemingly a better teammate to play with.
While Randolph is a better rebounder, I just wonder how many of those are offensive. I don't recall him ever making an impact defensively, and whatever we get for #16 should help us there.
While Randolph is a better rebounder, I just wonder how many of those are offensive. I don't recall him ever making an impact defensively, and whatever we get for #16 should help us there.
