I fully understand that but all I am saying is that Petrie HIRED those guys to turn this team into that. He played under Carrill.
I never said he created the Princeton offense!!! Only that he brought the personel here, coaching wise, to use the system. I thought I explained it pretty well.
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thats the thing i hated the most about the mobley and webber trades..... vlade leaving didnt help much either....
in the beginning they ran their normal offense and the new guys just reacted to what was going on.... but now they have totally abandoned it.... thats why mike and peja are struggling.... i liked having brad and darius out there and thomas coming off of the bench, they could still use their offense... and the new guys added hustle off the bench that we didnt have before....
in the beginning they ran their normal offense and the new guys just reacted to what was going on.... but now they have totally abandoned it.... thats why mike and peja are struggling.... i liked having brad and darius out there and thomas coming off of the bench, they could still use their offense... and the new guys added hustle off the bench that we didnt have before....
Were you a fan when he drafted that kid out of Serbia, the one with the name no one could pronounce? Were you a fan when Petrie talked a legitimate free agent into coming to the Kings? Were you a fan when he sent Mitch Richmond to the Bullets for that smark-aleck kid who had been a real problem with Golden State?
I'm guessing the answer is yes to all of those. It's for those things AND MORE - like Bobby, Doug, Bibby, etc - that make me feel it's right to give Petrie the credit AND MORE.
I'm guessing the answer is yes to all of those. It's for those things AND MORE - like Bobby, Doug, Bibby, etc - that make me feel it's right to give Petrie the credit AND MORE.
Look, after the trades this year it negates a lot thats all. He's made good trades and now IMO he's made some bad ones, what does that all add up to? I'm not 100% sure but I'm not going to blindly praise the guy any more after this years debacle, no way. We are getting straight up embarassed in the 1st round, it is completely unnacceptable.
Do you realize that he HAD to make the trades he made this season. We were not going to get a ring this year and if we had kept Webb and Christie they would have been on the books after this year. That means basically doing the best we could to find our bench in training camp, like at the start of this season. With those contracts even a slight rebuild would have been IMPOSSIBLE!!!
He traded Webber which was a contract that everybody said was untradable. Most GM's have said that was the best deal hes ever done.
He traded Webber which was a contract that everybody said was untradable. Most GM's have said that was the best deal hes ever done.
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Please. we got nothing and If cat doesn't opt out we are stuck with him. Webber is playing his *** off in the playoffs for Philly and we have no one to turn to in our own series... Peja who? Mike looks lost out there, why can't you see whats happened to this team? Kenny Thomas has a 7 year contract for god's sake!
Webber is also 33 years old with a bad knee. Sorry its reality. It had to be done. I am sick of making the playoffs and being a second rounder at best. I would rather be out in the first round this year with optimism that we have a chance to rebuild for the next. I would have loved to see Webber on this team until he retired, unfortunately his contract didn't comply. If he made about 6-7 mil a year I am sure he would still be a King. Bottom line was either he had to go, or our other bigger contracts went. That being Bibby, Miller, or Peja. I would have done the same thing.
Having "weak hope" is better than having NO hope. That was the other option. It could happen, the Warriors are going to be a scary team. But I think that as currently constructed the Kings are a "contender". They HAVEN'T EVEN PLAYED TOGETHER BEFORE!!!! I like what the team has now and I think that Petrie will do whats best for the team in the offseason and once again prove why he is the GM of GM's.
I was at the game tonight and some time during the second half, on a long timeout, I swear I saw Peja talking to Turner and pointing at Tag, who was standing right there.
It looked to me like Peja was saying "Why don't you play Tag?" but it's just speculation.
As much as I like Skinner I was glad to see him not play tonight. He's obviously struggling with some sort of ... . Good move on RA's part there, he just wasn't effective in game 3. But no Tag, I don't understand? Let Tag slow the Sonics offense down in the paint for 10 minutes, buy yourself some time Rick when the shots stop falling for us for a while.
It looked to me like Peja was saying "Why don't you play Tag?" but it's just speculation.
As much as I like Skinner I was glad to see him not play tonight. He's obviously struggling with some sort of ... . Good move on RA's part there, he just wasn't effective in game 3. But no Tag, I don't understand? Let Tag slow the Sonics offense down in the paint for 10 minutes, buy yourself some time Rick when the shots stop falling for us for a while.
I have been as critical as anyone about Adelman for a while and have contributed to the plethera of "Fire Adelman" threads in the past. After tonight, I think I don't care what we do with him. With or without him, we just don't have the formula for success.
Why didn't Tag/Skinner play? Why didn't Rick call a timeout until it was 98-90? Why did he keep an ineffective BJax in there, while keeping a spark plug like House on the bench? These all seem like stupid moves, but he's with the team daily in practice, so he's gotta have his reasons.
Fact is, let's say we trade Adelman, and DO make the playoffs next year. Will that end our injury curse? Will that teach Peja that the playoffs matter MORE than the regular season? This team has way too many recurring problems, and I just don't see how a new coach will fix anything.
IMO, if you're gonna get rid of Adelman, then shake up the whole team. Send Peja packing, group KT, Skinner, Corliss, House, etc. in a big package deal for a quality FA or two, and rebuild the team around Mike and Brad. Bring in a new coach, hopefully the older guys just need a new voice to respond to.
Sorry about the negativity of this post. I'm just fed up with having a team that has so many limitations on it. The lineup needs to be flushed, because the current roster is nowhere close to a championship team.
Why didn't Tag/Skinner play? Why didn't Rick call a timeout until it was 98-90? Why did he keep an ineffective BJax in there, while keeping a spark plug like House on the bench? These all seem like stupid moves, but he's with the team daily in practice, so he's gotta have his reasons.
Fact is, let's say we trade Adelman, and DO make the playoffs next year. Will that end our injury curse? Will that teach Peja that the playoffs matter MORE than the regular season? This team has way too many recurring problems, and I just don't see how a new coach will fix anything.
IMO, if you're gonna get rid of Adelman, then shake up the whole team. Send Peja packing, group KT, Skinner, Corliss, House, etc. in a big package deal for a quality FA or two, and rebuild the team around Mike and Brad. Bring in a new coach, hopefully the older guys just need a new voice to respond to.
Sorry about the negativity of this post. I'm just fed up with having a team that has so many limitations on it. The lineup needs to be flushed, because the current roster is nowhere close to a championship team.
Your using your heart over your brain. take the DC/Webb colored glasses off. I could see that DC was seriously losing a few steps. Webb you can clearly see that. If GP didnt pull the trigger there was no way in Hades our future would be anything but horrible for the next 5-10 years. The trigger had to be pulled. GP saw that. We are in a transition mode. Its not an easy process. Relax and wait and see what the genius has in store...
After all, In Petrie We trust has long been a motto of this board!
Adelman doesnt deserve the ziggy. Ive been frustrated by alot of his decisions over the years but the truth is hes a hell of a coach. Its remarkable what hes done with this team. The truth is this team isnt as good as we all hoped it could be. but once again Aleman is getting the shjaft because once again he pulled a rabbit out of his hat. Its too bad he doesnt get nearly the credit he deserves. Maybe one day......
Yeah right!
Here something from a Minnesota paper today:
"The word in Sacramento is that if the owners of the Kings decide to fire coach Rick Adelman -- and that is possible if the Kings play poorly in the playoffs -- Flip Saunders will be offered the job."
Not a huge fan of Saunders but at this point I'm up for a change just for the sake of making a change.
"The word in Sacramento is that if the owners of the Kings decide to fire coach Rick Adelman -- and that is possible if the Kings play poorly in the playoffs -- Flip Saunders will be offered the job."
Not a huge fan of Saunders but at this point I'm up for a change just for the sake of making a change.
The problem is that Geoff Petrie is really cool with Adelman. I don't think Petrie would want Adelman gone. If Petrie's gone, then we're really in trouble.
Personally, I don't think it's entirely Adelman's fault. There's blame to be shared with players and the rest of the coaching staff. For whatever reason the Kings have shown a lack of toughness and tendency to fall apart in times of pressure. They've lost 3 game sevens to be eliminated in the playoffs ('02, '03, '04).
The Kings as a whole need to quit crying about bad calls. I was with them in '02, but it's not going to help to keep harping on bad calls over and over. Adelman criticizing Seattle seems more like frustration at not being able to get his team to win. It's obvious that Kings have horrible defense against dribble penetration by the guards and have no inside presence to provide some much needed defense in the paint.
Personally, I don't think it's entirely Adelman's fault. There's blame to be shared with players and the rest of the coaching staff. For whatever reason the Kings have shown a lack of toughness and tendency to fall apart in times of pressure. They've lost 3 game sevens to be eliminated in the playoffs ('02, '03, '04).
The Kings as a whole need to quit crying about bad calls. I was with them in '02, but it's not going to help to keep harping on bad calls over and over. Adelman criticizing Seattle seems more like frustration at not being able to get his team to win. It's obvious that Kings have horrible defense against dribble penetration by the guards and have no inside presence to provide some much needed defense in the paint.
Petrie has been good the past couple years, but other GM's have performed just as well. If we were to go on a "what have you done for me now" grade, Petrie would receive a failing grade from me. Trading away Webber after the kind of start he had, for what we got in return isn't Petrie magic.
I’m reluctantly looking forward to the off-season with “hope”, but I would’ve felt that way if Webber and Christie were still here. The only difference is I might’ve been more optimistic about our chances now.
The series isn’t over yet. We can still win the next one. Though I didn't feel experience would play much of a factor in the opening rounds, if we can win the next one, it might rattle Seattle a bit.
I’m reluctantly looking forward to the off-season with “hope”, but I would’ve felt that way if Webber and Christie were still here. The only difference is I might’ve been more optimistic about our chances now.
The series isn’t over yet. We can still win the next one. Though I didn't feel experience would play much of a factor in the opening rounds, if we can win the next one, it might rattle Seattle a bit.
