offense rebounds Kings 13 : Blazers 24
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Andriod_KiNg
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I agree , let them have there rebounds , we will take the W'spiksi said:
SacTownKid
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piksi said:
Bottomline:
Kings 89 Spurs 111
if the same thing happens on Sunday.
Bballkingsrock
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I dont think its more of the rebounds, I think its more of the second chance points. That is because they are scoring off their rebounds.
iheartBrad
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Bballkingsrock said:
exactly...but that at the same time why its key to get your rebounds whether defensive or offensive
but i like what SacTownKid said as well
Webber4tHREE
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I hope the Kings make some defensive stops when they play Minnesota in late January.
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romanianusa
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I blame it on laziness when it comes to Kings' rebounding. For example...i noticed Webber has a tendency to walk away from the paint after defending a shot....he has a tendency to run up the court instead of coming back and try to help out the rebound. I mean HE IS one of the single reasons the Kings suck at rebounding cuz he's a PF and he is supposed to rebound along with Miller. Of course it didn't help with Peja not a good rebounder either.
But what i am saying is..if you suck at rebounding...then why make it worst by not even attempted to come back and get the ball or play fundamental box out?? I mean these guys are not even bother...no wonder they continue to suffer year in and year out in giving up rebounding. How many times have you seen Portland getting missed shot after missed shot??? That ain't win you no Playoffs game if you keep playing like that. If you don't change the habit...that ain't never going to change.
But what i am saying is..if you suck at rebounding...then why make it worst by not even attempted to come back and get the ball or play fundamental box out?? I mean these guys are not even bother...no wonder they continue to suffer year in and year out in giving up rebounding. How many times have you seen Portland getting missed shot after missed shot??? That ain't win you no Playoffs game if you keep playing like that. If you don't change the habit...that ain't never going to change.
KP
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You know whats really funny? Tonight Chris Kaman had 21 pts. and 14 rebounds against Tim Duncan, they showed a frickin highlight reel of him scoring over Tim 3 different ways. So I guess Tim Duncan is a horrible rebounder and defender just like Chris... NOT! People that get on a guy for rebounding after he gets 13 or 14 rebounds in a game just don't know basketball.funsc said:
iheartBrad
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KP said:
Definetly not...like you said...but more importantly it shows that Chris "Shaggy" Kaman is on his way to being one hell of a player....he's straight ballin of late
love_them_kings
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Andriod_KiNg said:I agree , let them have there rebounds , we will take the W's
If it's one or the other I'd always take a W over the rebounds, but sometimes not getting the rebounds could cost us the win. Last night, for example, we could have ended it in regulation if our rebounding wasn't so horrible at the end. It was a great game and I'm thrilled we won, I just think our rebounding will need to be addressed if we're going to be competitive in the playoffs.
allrightythen
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KP said:
And if he gives up 5 or 6 more rebounds that he could have easily gotten with a little more hustle? Can a person get on him for that? A certain number of rebounds in a game doesn't all of a sudden remove a player from a critical eye.
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KP
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Your right Tim Duncan is a horrible rebounder, I mean Chris Kaman was able to get that many rebounds on him! Someone should teach Tim Duncan how to box out. He needs to hustle more.allrightythen said:
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allrightythen
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KP said:Your right Tim Duncan is a horrible rebounder, I mean Chris Kaman was able to get that many rebounds on him! Someone should teach Tim Duncan how to box out. He needs to hustle more.
Right about what? I was asking a question. I don't remember mentioning anything about Tim Duncan being a horrible rebounder.
KP
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You always miss my points... If you continue to argue with me about C-Webbs rebounding while he's consistantly leading the team in Rebs everynight, and is having an extended stretch where he is avg 13 a game, I'm going to shoot myself...allrightythen said:
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allrightythen
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KP said:You always miss my points... If you continue to argue with me about C-Webbs rebounding while he's consistantly leading the team in Rebs everynight, and avg 13 a game, I'm going to shoot myself...I don't mind you saying the team is not rebounding good, thats obvious. But Chris is hardly the problem.
I think you missed my point as well, not that it really matters. I was questioning the premise to your argument, as in a simple number doesn't exclude someone from criticism. Webb deserves less than others in this category, but everyone deserves it.
Anyway, I really think the Kings need to ALL rebound better. Every last one of them. It is fundamental basketball that when a shot goes up and you are on defense to find a body and box him out (not let him get to the basket). Now if the ball comes directly over you and the guy is just taller and/or more athletic I can take that, but at least 85% of the time just good position will work. I don't know if they just don't want to try, or they have never been taught, or they just lose focus, whatever it is it needs to be fixed.
Alacron
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I agree there's always room for improvement, but Webber, our leading rebounder, is hardly who I'd single out for criticism. Miller hasn't been boxing out lately (even on opponent free throws!), and Peja is downright embarassing this year.
When a guy is grabbing 10+ boards a game and ranks #13 in the League in Defensive Rebounds per 48 minutes, I don't see why anyone would point to him as the problem. If a guy is averaging 25 points per game, is his scoring the problem? Averaging 3 blocks, is his defense the problem?
A big area I'd like to see overall improvement in is the Kings' offensive rebounding. Not one Sacramento player is in the top 50 Off. Rebounds per 48 minutes. Often I don't see anyone even make a token effort to go for the ball. On the other side, our guys have to work to corral every opponent miss. Why can't we make them work for their boards for a change?
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When a guy is grabbing 10+ boards a game and ranks #13 in the League in Defensive Rebounds per 48 minutes, I don't see why anyone would point to him as the problem. If a guy is averaging 25 points per game, is his scoring the problem? Averaging 3 blocks, is his defense the problem?
A big area I'd like to see overall improvement in is the Kings' offensive rebounding. Not one Sacramento player is in the top 50 Off. Rebounds per 48 minutes. Often I don't see anyone even make a token effort to go for the ball. On the other side, our guys have to work to corral every opponent miss. Why can't we make them work for their boards for a change?
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Bricklayer
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Alacron said:
Well, problem with offensive rebounding is that a) we're jump shooters; and b) we're one of the least athletic teams in the laegue. Or at least our core guys are. We actually have a few guys who could be good offensive rebounders for us given the minutes in Evans and Tag (who despite his lumbering size is routinely one of the better o-boarders in the league), but as always, its about finding minutes for those guys. Thy're just kind of the seasoning on this team, the core meal is 6'10" flat-footed guys shooting jumpers.
One of the reasons for the bad offensive rebounding is that as soon as someone jacks up a jumpshot everyone takes off down the court as if it's given that it will go in. If instead they moved toward the basket they would get some of those that bounce away from the paint. Rebounding is not just a big mans game, often it reqires just quickness and going after the ball.
Bricklayer
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tienchi3x said:
Of course given our alredy shaky transition defense would it actually be a good thing if everybody started heading toward the offensive boards?
