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To be fair to TO (which is more than he deserves), he didn't say Revis was washed up, he said he hadn't proven anything yet in the league. I guess that is a fair comment since there have been more than a handful of DBs to be one or two season wonders. He plays the kind of physical style that the Pats used to play until the league changed the rules to favor the passer. That will be all well and good so long as the Jets are the darlings of the league but if they fall out of favor he'll have to adapt.
 
I'd have no problem with what TO said about Revis if TO was still the TO of old (on the field). But he's not. Trash talking is a part of the game, but don't criticize the best corner in the league unless you're playing like a hall of famer. TO is having a good season, but he has Ochocinco on the other side of the field attracting all the attention
 
It could be said for both guys. Some games they take Ownes out of it and some games they take Chad out of it. Problem is Carson hasn't been throwing all that much to Chad when he has been open, he tends to throw it to TO in double/triple coverage for whatever reason.
 
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^^ That right there was awesome! I don't like Finnegan and he always starts something with these players. Andre will get suspended probably for a game but I bet that felt good to do.

Titans are slowly collapsing before our eyes with Britt out and now Vince Young. Moss isn't doing a thing for them and Chris Johnson is quiet, who would of thought of that one?

The Chargers are getting there mojo together and continue their "ownage" of the Colts. Peyton 4 picks against San Diego, wow! It clearly shows they are missing a running game in the worst way and Dallas Clark. The Colts won't get far in the postseason, if they make it.

The Falcons are the best team in the NFC right now. They have been for the last couple of weeks. They have a run game, air attack and play physical defense.

Chiefs get an impressive win over the Seahawks at Seattle where it's usually always hard to play. They are pretty fun to watch.

The Eagles decided to show up late and it wasn't good enough. The Bears got to Vick multiple times and made him almost ineffective all game long. Cutler also had 4 TD's with no picks, bravo Jay.

Overall, a decent Sunday of football. Nothing really too much to write about, I just can't wait til the postseason.
 
The Chargers are getting there mojo together and continue their "ownage" of the Colts. Peyton 4 picks against San Diego, wow! It clearly shows they are missing a running game in the worst way and Dallas Clark. The Colts won't get far in the postseason, if they make it.

Can't really argue the "ownage" claim, even though I think that does a poor job of explaining the matchups between the Colts and Chargers, but whatever.

Yesterday, however, had nothing to do with Dallas Clark. Not even really the run game. It was entirely about protection. The offensive line is playing like crap here lately, which includes run blocking, but usually you can count on a modicum of pass protection. Not yesterday. And it wasn't scheme, it was simply execution. The line got beat over and over again. Manning threw four interceptions, but he was hit on two of them, and the third his receiver was pulled down from behind before the ball got there. It's not like the Chargers fooled him; they simply were more physical up front. Add in the dropped passes and misrun routes, and it's hard to buy the idea that they can't compete. They just aren't doing the little things well right now, and that sucks.

If they get in the playoffs (three way tie for the division lead as of today), it will require that they start taking care of the little things, it will require that they get healthy in the coming weeks, and it will require the defense to play better. And if all that happens, the Colts team you've seen for the past month won't be the team that's in the playoffs. It will be, more or less, the team that made it to the Super Bowl last season.
 
Really impressed with the Chargers defense last night. 4 picks on Manning isn't easy to accomplish, even if this isn't the same Manning we're all used to. Yes, Weddle got away with a PI call (and he knew it) but I still think they would've went on to win if it were called. Their special teams have finally gotten things together too, which is nice to see.

Yeah the Falcons are definitely the best team in the NFC right now. If they stay healthy and get homefield, they are almost a lock for the Superbowl. They're a very tough team to beat at home. Which sucks for the Packers, because when they're healthy I think they're the best team in the NFC, but losing Finley and Grant for the season hurts.

I'm still not buying into the Chiefs being a contender, but damn Dwayne Bowe is playing out of this world. I sure hope Cason is up to the task when the Chargers play them in a couple of weeks
 
Really impressed with the Chargers defense last night. 4 picks on Manning isn't easy to accomplish, even if this isn't the same Manning we're all used to. Yes, Weddle got away with a PI call (and he knew it) but I still think they would've went on to win if it were called. Their special teams have finally gotten things together too, which is nice to see.

That's very possible, but the score was 19-14 at the time. A touchdown on that drive flips the lead, and then who knows? We're halfway through the third quarter and it's 21-19, they're on the road, and it's anyone's game. Kind of hard to just accept that the game was over at that point in time, especially considering how significant a play a pick-six is. Not only a turnover, not only a touchdown, but both combined into one play.
 
Peyton's protection def. wasn't as good as it should of been. But, he did throw two pick sixes and another with no receiver around, while it does fall on the OL to protect, it also falls on Manning's decision making. Saying a run game and no Dallas Clark have nothing to do with it I wouldn't agree with you on that one. Dallas Clark opens himself up for Manning in a hurry, hence he can get rid of the football quickly. He also attracts attention and makes you think about blitzing. Not having a run game means they are one dimensional and you can play them for the pass all game long, you don't have to worry about them running down your throat.
 
Peyton's protection def. wasn't as good as it should of been. But, he did throw two pick sixes and another with no receiver around, while it does fall on the OL to protect, it also falls on Manning's decision making. Saying a run game and no Dallas Clark have nothing to do with it I wouldn't agree with you on that one. Dallas Clark opens himself up for Manning in a hurry, hence he can get rid of the football quickly. He also attracts attention and makes you think about blitzing. Not having a run game means they are one dimensional and you can play them for the pass all game long, you don't have to worry about them running down your throat.

He was hit while throwing on the first two interceptions, which altered the ball, and the third his receiver was pulled down from behind. I don't understand how those interceptions are a referendum on his decision making. He's not throwing the ball as he's being taken to the ground. The contact is simultaneous with his release.

As for Dallas Clark and the run game, it's simple. In Clark's case, the offense relies on him to play a role and attract attention, but his replacement has played well in a similar role. Tamme doesn't get as much attention as Clark, but that's okay because that reduced attention translates into passes caught for him. Look at Clark's production before he got hurt this season: He was getting doubled and tripled every down, and as a result, wasn't putting up numbers. That's fine, because he was opening the field up for guys like Austin Collie, who was on pace for a monster season before he got hurt. But when Tamme stepped in, he did nothing but get open and catch everything thrown his way. In fact, he was getting open faster than Clark because he wasn't getting as much attention. He's slowed down the past couple of weeks, but bottom line is the passing game is not hurting because Clark isn't there. Sure they'd love to have him on the field, but they can survive just fine without him.

And the running game... it's important to understand that the Colts run game has been substandard since 2008. Two and a half years now. They won 14 games last year with a poor run game. Everyone knows that Manning wants to throw the ball; he's thrown the ball 35 times a game for the past two seasons. That number is higher this season, but partly because they've been behind late in games, and partly because of the injuries to the running backs. But bottom line is that they've been one-dimensional for a long time already. The key is that, if you have to pass, you need to be able to pass protect. The Colts offensive line was completely ineffective at protecting the quarterback last night.

And then, when the passes were coming out on time and on target, receivers were dropping them, slowing down on go routes, and getting tackled while the ball was in the air. I can't put those interceptions on Manning, sorry.

Go back to last week, and sure, all three of them were his fault alone. Especially the last one. Wanna talk about decision making? Don't throw risky passes when you're down three on the road and in field goal range. Horrible decision making there. But last night wasn't the result of poor decision making or bad throws. It was simply the result of poor protection and a horrible missed call.
 
He was hit while throwing on the first two interceptions, which altered the ball, and the third his receiver was pulled down from behind. I don't understand how those interceptions are a referendum on his decision making. He's not throwing the ball as he's being taken to the ground. The contact is simultaneous with his release.

As for Dallas Clark and the run game, it's simple. In Clark's case, the offense relies on him to play a role and attract attention, but his replacement has played well in a similar role. Tamme doesn't get as much attention as Clark, but that's okay because that reduced attention translates into passes caught for him. Look at Clark's production before he got hurt this season: He was getting doubled and tripled every down, and as a result, wasn't putting up numbers. That's fine, because he was opening the field up for guys like Austin Collie, who was on pace for a monster season before he got hurt. But when Tamme stepped in, he did nothing but get open and catch everything thrown his way. In fact, he was getting open faster than Clark because he wasn't getting as much attention. He's slowed down the past couple of weeks, but bottom line is the passing game is not hurting because Clark isn't there. Sure they'd love to have him on the field, but they can survive just fine without him.

And the running game... it's important to understand that the Colts run game has been substandard since 2008. Two and a half years now. They won 14 games last year with a poor run game. Everyone knows that Manning wants to throw the ball; he's thrown the ball 35 times a game for the past two seasons. That number is higher this season, but partly because they've been behind late in games, and partly because of the injuries to the running backs. But bottom line is that they've been one-dimensional for a long time already. The key is that, if you have to pass, you need to be able to pass protect. The Colts offensive line was completely ineffective at protecting the quarterback last night.

And then, when the passes were coming out on time and on target, receivers were dropping them, slowing down on go routes, and getting tackled while the ball was in the air. I can't put those interceptions on Manning, sorry.

Go back to last week, and sure, all three of them were his fault alone. Especially the last one. Wanna talk about decision making? Don't throw risky passes when you're down three on the road and in field goal range. Horrible decision making there. But last night wasn't the result of poor decision making or bad throws. It was simply the result of poor protection and a horrible missed call.

It wasn't that blatant. It looked like more of a push than a pull to me. There was obvious contact looking at the replay but during real time it kinda looked like Wayne was acting
 
Laugh out loud at the Cardinals making the 49ers look like a playoff team in this one. This was a awful game to pick for a MNF game, next week is the game to watch.
 
Laugh out loud at the Cardinals making the 49ers look like a playoff team in this one. This was a awful game to pick for a MNF game, next week is the game to watch.

Can they change primetime games during the season? Because when the schedule was made, both of these teams looked like playoff teams on paper, and it should've had playoff implications. It's still possible seeing as how the NFC West is the worst division in football
 
They can't change MNF games but they can change Sunday games after week 11 which is part of the reason MNF is the cable game and Sunday is the network game.
 
It wasn't that blatant. It looked like more of a push than a pull to me. There was obvious contact looking at the replay but during real time it kinda looked like Wayne was acting

My only point is that there was pass interference that wasn't called, so it's hard to say the quarterback made a poor decision with that throw. If it was pass interference, the quarterback gets a pass.
 
Can they change primetime games during the season? Because when the schedule was made, both of these teams looked like playoff teams on paper, and it should've had playoff implications. It's still possible seeing as how the NFC West is the worst division in football

I don't think they've ever changed MNF games, I know they changed SNF though. I see what you mean though, I too thought in the beginning of the year these two teams would make for a good division rival, unfortunately they both are awful so there wasn't much of a rivalry to begin with. I mean all you have to do is win 6 or 7 games to win that division this season.
 
Texans vs Eagles tonight on TNF. Should be a goodie, high scoring game. I want to see if the Texans can ride on their momentum from last week, even though the Titans really didn't have much going for them, hence the 0 points scored. Mario Williams needs to get after Vick and do it often, hoping for a great game!
 
A nice slate of games going on tomorrow. Atlanta visiting Tampa Bay, looking to improve their record to 10-2, though they have been only so so on the road. Baltimore vs Pittsburgh is always a slug fest. San Diego playing a division rival in Oakland, looking to increase their hot streak. Giants have to bounce back and get a win against Washington to stay afloat in that division with the Eagles. I want the Rams to come out of the NFC West, they are a nice young team to watch and I would be interested in watching Sam Bradford in his first playoff game as a rook.
 
I agree. C'mon, I've always disliked Vick's game and won't bother discussing how I feel about him as a person, but I have to admit he's made great strides as an actual QB (rather than a RB that passes from time to time) this season and Reid should get a lot of the credit. Don't tarnish it by whining about the hits he takes when he takes off, if he wants to not get hit he can always baseball slide and take the minor penalty in yardage gained that results.

You won't hear me say this often, but... Is it Monday yet?
 
Has Peyton lost something? I know the Colts are decimated but today it seemed his receivers were bailing him out more than he was making good plays that they were botching. I know they've played well since ditching that loser Wade Phillips but this is still a Kitna lead Cowboys team that the Colts just lost to and it was pretty much all because of the INTs.

Late hit penalties are really starting to bother me - yesterday in the Oregon Ducks game there was a late hit called against the OSU team when the Ducks player was still in bounds. Today they just called one on the Bucs against ATL when the guy looks to have stepped one foot out of bounds right as the hit was coming - without that rule he surely would have kept running but he knows he can step out of bounds at the last second and get a bonus 15.
 
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Has Peyton lost something? I know the Colts are decimated but today it seemed his receivers were bailing him out more than he was making good plays that they were botching. I know they've played well since ditching that loser Wade Phillips but this is still a Kitna lead Cowboys team that the Colts just lost to and it was pretty much all because of the INTs.

Late hit penalties are really starting to bother me - yesterday in the Oregon Ducks game there was a late hit called against the OSU team when the Ducks player was still in bounds. Today they just called one on the Bucs against ATL when the guy looks to have stepped one foot out of bounds right as the hit was coming - without that rule he surely would have kept running but he knows he can step out of bounds at the last second and get a bonus 15.

Yeah I don't like that rule either. Well, the rule I like, but only obvious late hits, not when a player has all his momentum going in one direction and can't stop in time.

It didn't affect the outcome of the game, but did anyone see the intentional grounding call on Aaron Rodgers? I think that the refs get that call right most of the time, but this was such a bad call, I really couldn't see where they got it from. It didn't even look close to me
 
What a choke job by the Ravens in the end there. They give up a fumble, give Pit great field position and have them score a TD. Following couple of possessions, they move the ball quite effectively up the field and on 4th down Flacco short arms his wide open receiver. It was a low scoring game but an entertaining one, nothing else you expect out of these two.

Atlanta improves to 10-2 and beats Tampa on the road, kudos Atlanta, I hope for nothing but success in these playoffs for you.

The Colts are just all out of sorts and it could mean the streak of playoffs for the Colts and being superbowl contenders year in and year out window is closing, quickly.

Jacksonville has been impressive this year, a little under the radar with no big commodoties on that team other than pocket hercules.

Saints, Giants & Packers all get a win and this has a make of a very very good and fun NFC playoff match ups in the next couple of weeks.

Just when you thought the Chargers were starting to get it together, they lay an egg against Oakland. I am a little surprised, but it's a tough environment down there in the bay, kudos to that great fanbase for always making it a tough place to play.
 
I was surprised by the Balitmore loss. I don't think the Steelers are as good as their record but now I will give them their due.
 
What a choke job by the Ravens in the end there. They give up a fumble, give Pit great field position and have them score a TD. Following couple of possessions, they move the ball quite effectively up the field and on 4th down Flacco short arms his wide open receiver. It was a low scoring game but an entertaining one, nothing else you expect out of these two.

Just when you thought the Chargers were starting to get it together, they lay an egg against Oakland. I am a little surprised, but it's a tough environment down there in the bay, kudos to that great fanbase for always making it a tough place to play.

I would not call that a choke at all by Baltimore, Flacco, or anybody on the Ravens. The fumble was huge but it was on a blitz with Flacco hit on blind side just a split mil-second before his arm would have been moving forward. The last play on 4th down was after a game long heroic knock down bloody battle by both teams with wind gusting to 25 mph and wind chill at 20 degrees into the 4th quarter. Steelers simply evened the score in this big game after Ravens had won earlier season matchup in a likewise tense fashion - with Flacco driving them to the final score in that game at Pitt. I'm not sure what your analysis of Oak-SD means since the Raiders won on the road in an upset.
 
I would not call that a choke at all by Baltimore, Flacco, or anybody on the Ravens. The fumble was huge but it was on a blitz with Flacco hit on blind side just a split mil-second before his arm would have been moving forward. The last play on 4th down was after a game long heroic knock down bloody battle by both teams with wind gusting to 25 mph and wind chill at 20 degrees into the 4th quarter. Steelers simply evened the score in this big game after Ravens had won earlier season matchup in a likewise tense fashion - with Flacco driving them to the final score in that game at Pitt. I'm not sure what your analysis of Oak-SD means since the Raiders won on the road in an upset.

Your right. My mistake, I don't know what I was thinking. Regarding the game, Pitt def. got its payback with its own late game heroics, it could be a potential playoff match up.
 
Has Peyton lost something? I know the Colts are decimated but today it seemed his receivers were bailing him out more than he was making good plays that they were botching. I know they've played well since ditching that loser Wade Phillips but this is still a Kitna lead Cowboys team that the Colts just lost to and it was pretty much all because of the INTs.

I don't think he's lost something, I think he's just making bad throws. I mean, it was never his athletic ability that allowed him to be good, it was his ability to read defenses and make good decisions. And when he's making bad decisions, it's glaring, partly because the offense revolves around his ability to do the right thing, and partly because there are no excelling athletes at the skill positions. This offense simply can't make mistakes, and has been all season, really. It's been Manning lately, since the Eagles game really, and I don't know what else to say aside from hold on to the ball and take the sack. Really, really frustrating.

Still a shot at the division, with three division games among the four remaining, two of them at home, and then a common opponent in the Raiders, who have a shot at beating the Jags this weekend. Kind of in a position where they simply must win out in order to make the playoffs, and at the end of the day, they don't look like they are capable of doing that right now, especially on a short week (Thursday @ Tennessee). But who knows what tomorrow brings.
 
Yes but why is he making bad decisions? Is it just pressure because of the losses? Is it an injury causing an unwillingness to get hit? Is it the loss of some of the assistant coaches?
 
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