I totally agree about Whiteside (although not so much about Drummond... still like him a lot as well). Hasaan is one of the best shot blockers to come out of college in recent memory, is still young, is HUGE, and has had two years worth of exposure to the nba game. I believe he's gonna be ready to contribute this year and if he is he might just take off and turn into a top 3 shotblocker in the league overnight.
Most Likely Situation: Barnes or Drummond
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I agree with this. I think he's probably the 2nd sf off the board after Barnes at this point. I also think he's a great fit for us with a ton of upside given his age (youngest player in the draft), work ethic (documented gym rat), and competitive fire. He's all intangibles... perfect fit for our current team, a safe pick that still has upside, and a guy who's personality might lend itself to enjoying Sacramento and making this his home for his career. He's who I'm hoping we pick at five.
I think your logic is spot on. Personally, I think the Bobs take Beal. Then I think Washington rules out Drummond because of past mistakes with big men, then you have the choice between Robinson, Barnes, MKG. MKG is ruled out because he's not what they need and the redundancy of Singleton (as you mentioned). That leaves Robinson and Barnes. To me, that is a very, very difficult choice for them. I think Robinson is definitely a better player longer term. But short term, Barnes is probably better, and Barnes probably would make Wall happier than Robinson because he'd produce quicker in his role. That's why I lean to Barnes for the Wizards.
I would like MKG or Drummond. MKG is the kind of guy who helps teams win championships espcialy if they have the scoring players around him. We have scorers. Drummond is a special case. The Kings have never been averse to taking risks. I think we sense that as FAs won't come here, we have to hit it big with draft picks or trades. We took a troubled Webber. We drafted Peja. We got Artest. This doesn't say that taking a risk will always work but I think identifies the mind set of GP. Drummond is a risk. At the worst, he is a decent NBA player. That's my guess for a guy who is a teenager. At his best, in an offense where he can face the basket and have fun, who knows? Maybe by age 30 he is MVP. I simply said "maybe" but if he gets motivated and works hard, I'm not sure where his ceiling is.
I think if given the choice of MKG and Drummond, the Kings would take MKG. If given the choice of Barnes and Drummond, they will take Drummond.
I think if given the choice of MKG and Drummond, the Kings would take MKG. If given the choice of Barnes and Drummond, they will take Drummond.
I'm becoming enamored with the idea of drafting Beal, moving Reke back to the point, trading Thornton and moving IT to the 6th man. Beal's game is just so damn smooth and reminds me a lot of how Harden, Manu, Ray Allen all play the game. He's an incredible shooter from everywhere on the floor, can create off the dribble, a great rebounder for a 2 guard, and has the ability to be an elite defender at the NBA level.
Tyreke absolutely has to work on certain aspects at the PG position, but I think he can have success there with how the PG position is evolving in today's NBA. The beauty of Beal is that he doesn't take away from Tyreke being a ball-dominant player and can thrive in that 3rd wheel role that we need for offensive cohesion. My draft order would be as follows:
Beal
MKG
Robinson
Trade the pick
Drummond
Barnes
Tyreke absolutely has to work on certain aspects at the PG position, but I think he can have success there with how the PG position is evolving in today's NBA. The beauty of Beal is that he doesn't take away from Tyreke being a ball-dominant player and can thrive in that 3rd wheel role that we need for offensive cohesion. My draft order would be as follows:
Beal
MKG
Robinson
Trade the pick
Drummond
Barnes
Nothing against Beal, but that's alot of shifting and changing just to draft someone who is already redundant on the team. This draft has some great SF prospects, which we need, and some great defensive big prospects. I can understand taking Beal if you're sure he's head and shoulders above everyone else left and sorting out the roster after, but I'm not sure he is. I know Barnes isn't a perfect fit, but he's going to be a good player. And if MKG falls to us, forget Beal.
FYI, these finals are exhibit A of how overrated a shotblocker in the starting lineup actually is. Both these teams have fantastic individual defenders and play team defense as a unit a high level. Miami has been one of the best defensive teams in the NBA the past 2 years without anything resembling a rim protector and while Ibaka plays a huge role for OKC, they would still be a top 10 defensive team without him
I'm not against a rim protector whatsoever, but I find it absolutely foolish to pass on superior talents like Robinson, MKG or Beal to take a risk on a guy like Drummond. Team defense is far more important than finding an athlete who swats shots
I'm not against a rim protector whatsoever, but I find it absolutely foolish to pass on superior talents like Robinson, MKG or Beal to take a risk on a guy like Drummond. Team defense is far more important than finding an athlete who swats shots
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That's the thing, I think he's going to be a star player in this league very quickly. His game is just so solid all around; he doesn't have any real weaknesses. More importantly, he's incredibly unselfish with the ability to stretch the floor and create his own shot when needed. His B-ball IQ is incredibly high, he has a non-stop motor, and I see him as one of the better rebounding SG's down the line. That's the exact kind of player we want running with Reke.
Cool. Except I'm not talking about team blocks whatsoever. Even if I was, Miami averaged all of .49 more blocks than we did last season and they were on on another stratosphere defensively than were. We don't suck defensively because we don't have a shotblocker. We suck defensively because we have very few good defenders on this team, and the ones who have a chance to be good defensively (Evans, Cousins) don't give 100% on that end of the floor.
I am not against the idea of drafting Beal but you just have to have a trade already lined up where Thornton is shipped off for a defensive big. If you don't have that already lined up then there is a problem of logjam and loss of trade currency.
Having said all that, I would be very surprised if he lasts until pick 5 and I also doubt we draft someone we don't work out! Didn't Beal say he will only workout for the top 4 teams.
Having said all that, I would be very surprised if he lasts until pick 5 and I also doubt we draft someone we don't work out! Didn't Beal say he will only workout for the top 4 teams.
No, we suck because we don't hav a shotblocker OR multiple All Defense team members on the team. Miami has of course been trying to follow the old Chicago Bulls altrernative script. But its not by choice -- they have done their damndest to get a shotblocker in there to anchor them and guarantee titles, and just have come up empty so far. Mostly. They played Joel Anthony all season long for just those purposes.
So yes, there is an alternative to having the big interior defender make alol of your defenders better, that alternative is to have all of the league's best defenders on yor team in the first place. I will tell you which route is easier to follow, and which route has been followed far more often.
Meanwhile on the other side Ibaka and Perkins have been huge reasons why OKC is here now. And their difficulties keeping them on the floor against the Miami aberration is hurting the Thunder.
So yes, there is an alternative to having the big interior defender make alol of your defenders better, that alternative is to have all of the league's best defenders on yor team in the first place. I will tell you which route is easier to follow, and which route has been followed far more often.
Meanwhile on the other side Ibaka and Perkins have been huge reasons why OKC is here now. And their difficulties keeping them on the floor against the Miami aberration is hurting the Thunder.
I don't think either of these guys are a "safe" pick. They both have huge bust potential IMO. While Barnes could fill our whole at SF, he could end up making us all scratch our heads wondering why we ever took him. Drummond's lack of motivation scares me to death. I like his potential, but my gut tells me he will never reach it.
If I had to choose which one to take the risk on, I would rather take a chance on Drummond. His size alone will at least give other teams pause before they drive into the lane (moreso with Cousins next to him). However, if that is our choice, I would rather trade down for someone else.
If I had to choose which one to take the risk on, I would rather take a chance on Drummond. His size alone will at least give other teams pause before they drive into the lane (moreso with Cousins next to him). However, if that is our choice, I would rather trade down for someone else.
Drummond is 18. In high school I am sure he had the green light to do whatever he wished. He did not develop a back to the basket game. In college he was placed at center and didn't have a clue what to do. In some senses he is a project but name the player at age 18 who is not a project. BTW, males do not stop growing until age 21 or so. This does not mean he will have a growth spurt but I suspect he will gain another inch. Not sure what good that does but it doesn't hurt. What I saw in the workout video was a guy out of shape. That will be rectified.
Petience, folks.
Petience, folks.
I have a three point shot but don't use it. Now I don't remember every second of the video and I only watched it once but can you point out a 3 point shot? Name the time on the video. It doesn't even have to go in. Here's your chance to nail me and be a hero or whatever your motivation is.
Or you could accept the point that three point shooting is not a big part of his game and that diasappoints me very much as what we need is a SF who can knock down three pointers.
Edit: I daw two three pointers so I'm wrong. My god, let's draft him.
Or you could accept the point that three point shooting is not a big part of his game and that diasappoints me very much as what we need is a SF who can knock down three pointers.
Edit: I daw two three pointers so I'm wrong. My god, let's draft him.
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