Suicide King
Starter
I never mentioned anything about Vlade.
More Williams Joerger drama
- Thread starter Section 101
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Some people only gonna see what they want to see.
The Hammer
All-Star
It's pretty amazing.
63royals
Bench
Reminds me of an old story about the proud mother watching a parade and a marching band is going by. She turns to her friend and says "Don't they look great! But isn't it too bad that everybody's out of step but My Johnny."
Kingsfan23
All-Star
Don’t know where that came from?
All over the first Amick article.
And ... well the whole, Joerger will be fired for not showcasing Bagley instead of trying to win games narrative.
TaxMan
Starter
I think it’s clear the full front office wanted Bagley since....we drafted Bagley.
Yeah, I don’t think it’s that hard to believe that the whole front office wanted Bagley. The guy is going to be special and he’s putting up numbers while raw as hell. Very little offensive polish yet, needs to learn intracacies of rebounding, team defense, improve 3 point shooting yet he’s already putting up impressive numbers.
Sactown ExPat
Starter
The real MVP of our FO is Cantanella. Our cap clearing has been incredible, and we’ve done a fantastic job negotiating contracts sice he got there.
I really dislike the Haynes leak, and think Joerger is a really good coach. However, I also think Williams has done a good job. If Williams was planning on bringing in Ime Udoka, for instance, I’d be willing to listen. Joerger has had enough friction with supervisors over the years to infer that he is not the easiest head coach to work with...players love playing for him though. He’s kind of a proto-Larry Brown in that regard.
Let’s also consider that the Minnesota job is going to be open again this offseason, and Dave has wanted that job for a long time. His open courting of a Minny offer helped kick off his friction with Memphis. I’m willing to consider this is all part of a contract extension dance...we extend Dave and his coaches now or he takes the Minny job ASAP. Williams is calling his bluff, and Vlade et al probably would like to table any extension talk until after the deadline at least.
I really dislike the Haynes leak, and think Joerger is a really good coach. However, I also think Williams has done a good job. If Williams was planning on bringing in Ime Udoka, for instance, I’d be willing to listen. Joerger has had enough friction with supervisors over the years to infer that he is not the easiest head coach to work with...players love playing for him though. He’s kind of a proto-Larry Brown in that regard.
Let’s also consider that the Minnesota job is going to be open again this offseason, and Dave has wanted that job for a long time. His open courting of a Minny offer helped kick off his friction with Memphis. I’m willing to consider this is all part of a contract extension dance...we extend Dave and his coaches now or he takes the Minny job ASAP. Williams is calling his bluff, and Vlade et al probably would like to table any extension talk until after the deadline at least.
I think it's very reasonable to believe that it was unanimous by draft day, but certainly there are a few people that probably leaned Doncic at the start (and we can guess who they are and probably be right). If nobody had stuck their neck out nobody would be concerned about their place on the pecking order.
Suicide King
Starter
I agree with the bolded part. Not that I disagree with everything else in the post. Ken is the unsung hero that seems to keep getting forgotten. His resume is excellent for his current role and he has been performing his duties brilliantly.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Uh, these are the same players he drafted/traded for you know? If anything this proves that they were merely being used wrong the whole time as more than a few on this board pointed out for almost 2 years.
Firing Joerger just isn’t on the table. What....to bring in an unknown entity? Firing Joerger would possibly burn down what is left of any hope many fans have in the franchise turning it around. After the Malone incident, if this happened again, it would be showing they haven’t learned anything.
The other thing is that Joerger is good. Good enough to be here long term. He has done exactly what he has said he would do in developing these guys and that includes being tank commander last year in keeping the reins on these young guys (read staying in a slow paced offense and learning how to operate in a half court offense....tank commander) and has taken off the training wheels.
And despite the overreaction from some here, we aren’t supposed to be 10-11 while playing the third toughest schedule in the NBA. So far, worthy of coach of the year talk.
The other thing is that Joerger is good. Good enough to be here long term. He has done exactly what he has said he would do in developing these guys and that includes being tank commander last year in keeping the reins on these young guys (read staying in a slow paced offense and learning how to operate in a half court offense....tank commander) and has taken off the training wheels.
And despite the overreaction from some here, we aren’t supposed to be 10-11 while playing the third toughest schedule in the NBA. So far, worthy of coach of the year talk.
I've never thought otherwise.
Kingsfan23
All-Star
Only way it would be is if Williams is now in charge and wants his own guy, but I agree with the Joerger sentiment. I don’t see a better coach available
The Hammer
All-Star
Go ahead and link us to the posts you made that charted out the moves you would have done BEFORE those other moves were made. Yours is the weakest kind of argument.
The most laughable of all these "critiques" is complaining about Bogdan's age. The dude basically came into the league as a complete NBA player.
I don't think Dave had a choice.
sactowndog
All-Star
Here is another perspective
Dave wants the Minnesota job and is playing for the short term over the long term. Why? He better positions himsef for Thibs job by getting the Kings closer to the playoffs. But playing Kosta and no minutes for Giles hurts the teams long term future.
So under that scenario who do you support?
Hoovtrain
All-Star
I get that you like Doncic, and he’s pretty awesome....but if you are still really griping about Bagley as the pick, you are letting your personal bias cloud your judgement
Hoovtrain
All-Star
That is ****ing bush league if that’s how it went down . That’s grounds for knocking someone’s teeth down their throat...and then firing them.
Totally and completely agree. I visit other boards on occasion and no one thought replacing Youngman was a good move. I'm just surprised Section 101 seems to think I would have supported Williams in this.
Hoovtrain
All-Star
It really rubbed me the wrong way when Youngman was “given a promotion”
The Hammer
All-Star
Oh, and he also pilfered the absolute perfect coach for the squad he built, in a move nobody was expecting or even thought we had a chance for.
He is still loyal to the players and the fans. He's always supportive on Twitter and he's shown what class really is.
allrightythen
Starter
I'm with the fire Williams sentiments. All the stuff I hear about him in all this seems really slimy.
kingsfan1984
Starter
Btw who replaced Pete youngman? And has there been any rumors or leaks on why Pete was left go?? I assumed at the time it may have been related to bogdanovic knee or that Pete was just reaching the end of his career and stepping aside
Not much has leaked out. There were NEVER any indications that Pete's treatment of the players was anything less than stellar. The only thing said publicly was some stupid story about Pete being assigned to a new exciting position within the organization - or some such crap. There have been murmurs, of course, but at this point it would be irresponsible for me (or anyone else) to point fingers (even though I have very strong suspicions, as do others).
Kingsfan23
All-Star
It’s not normal behavior for an assistant GM to feel he has the authority to make waves like this. I just can’t help but question the power structure going on.
Feel sorry for Dave though if there is true doubt about his job though, through no fault of his own.
The problem as I saw it for Dave in the summer was I thought he was inextricably linked to Vlade, because Vivek would not want another coach before GM situation after recent history. I felt/feel Vlade was on more loose ground than Dave
Feel sorry for Dave though if there is true doubt about his job though, through no fault of his own.
The problem as I saw it for Dave in the summer was I thought he was inextricably linked to Vlade, because Vivek would not want another coach before GM situation after recent history. I felt/feel Vlade was on more loose ground than Dave
