Mock Draft

bajaden said:
I have a bunch of worthless notes, if anyone wants them..
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Might as well share them. You and Gary both should make a thread of the notes you have. We don't have anything else to do until the draft. I don't watch alot of college basketball other than Alabama. So other than here and draftexpress I don't get much info on the players. So put your note taking and column making to use in here. It won't go unappreciated.
 
Vlade4GM said:
Here's a mock draft I made.

1.) Miami - Michael Beasley
2.) Seattle - Derrick Rose
3.) Minnesota - O.J. Mayo
4.) Memphis - Brook Lopez
5.) New York - Jerryd Bayless
6.) LA Clippers - Eric Gordon
7.) Milwaukee - Danilo Gallinari
8.) Charlotte - Kevin Love
9.) Chicago - Russell Westbrook
10.)New Jersey - DeAndre Jordan
11.)Indiana - D.J. Augustin
12.)Sacramento - Marreese Speights
13.)Portland - Nicolas Batum
14.)Golden State - Donte Greene
15.)Phoenix - JaVale McGee
16.)Philadelphia - Darrell Arthur
17.)Toronto - Chris Douglas-Roberts
18.)Washington - Roy HIbbert
19.)Cleveland - Chase Budinger
20.)Denver - Brandon Rush
21.)New Jersey - Anthony Randolph
22.)Orlando - Robin Lopez
23.)Seattle - Courtney Lee
24.)Utah - Joe Alexander
25.)San Antonio - Alexis Ajinca
26.)Houston - Serge Ibaka
27.)New Orleans - Ty Lawson
28.)Memphis - Hasheem Thabeet
29.)Detroit - Darren Collison
30.)Boston - Kyle Weaver
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That's a nice mock..

Notice it washard to fit all the quality PFs in the first round? I had the same problems.. Guys like Anderson, Hendrix, Hickson, Ibaka were left off of my 1st round :(

Good for the Kings though because that is where we are weakest (if Beno re-signs).
 
Gary said:
That's a nice mock..

Notice it washard to fit all the quality PFs in the first round? I had the same problems.. Guys like Anderson, Hendrix, Hickson, Ibaka were left off of my 1st round :(

Good for the Kings though because that is where we are weakest (if Beno re-signs).
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Thanks.

Yea, while I was getting towards the end of the first I started realizing how some decent talent was falling and didn't even make it into the first round. I was debating pretty hard between those guys with Houston's pick, but I chose Ibaka because he's got the best overall defensive/rebounding potential. They need someone with some size and length who can bang on the boards and man up against 4's to provide Yao some relief and get some of thsoe undersized 4's off the court.

Thabeet almost didn't make the first round, I'm still not quite sure about that pick. I just didn't see many teams willing to use one of their picks to wait around for him except for maybe Washington and Memphis, but since Hibbert is some polished size I leaned towards him. I could see Thabeet getting taken in the first if it's part of a trade, but I think there is a chance he falls into the 2nd round. He should really return to school, so should Budinger.
 
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Vlade4GM said:
Here's a mock draft I made.

1.) Miami - Michael Beasley
2.) Seattle - Derrick Rose
3.) Minnesota - O.J. Mayo
4.) Memphis - Brook Lopez
5.) New York - Jerryd Bayless
6.) LA Clippers - Eric Gordon
7.) Milwaukee - Danilo Gallinari
8.) Charlotte - Kevin Love
9.) Chicago - Russell Westbrook
10.)New Jersey - DeAndre Jordan
11.)Indiana - D.J. Augustin
12.)Sacramento - Marreese Speights
13.)Portland - Nicolas Batum
14.)Golden State - Donte Greene
15.)Phoenix - JaVale McGee
16.)Philadelphia - Darrell Arthur
17.)Toronto - Chris Douglas-Roberts
18.)Washington - Roy HIbbert
19.)Cleveland - Chase Budinger
20.)Denver - Brandon Rush
21.)New Jersey - Anthony Randolph
22.)Orlando - Robin Lopez
23.)Seattle - Courtney Lee
24.)Utah - Joe Alexander
25.)San Antonio - Alexis Ajinca
26.)Houston - Serge Ibaka
27.)New Orleans - Ty Lawson
28.)Memphis - Hasheem Thabeet
29.)Detroit - Darren Collison
30.)Boston - Kyle Weaver
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I like it and like who we end up with. It's still a long way off, but my way too premature short list of "guys I like who should be there at 12" includes Speights and Westbrook. Obviously Speights fills a greater need, while Westbrook would just be stockpiling more redundant talent, although at least Westbrook could develop into more of a PG. He showed flashes at UCLA, but his PG development was hindered by having Collison established there.
 
Probably too early to talk about next year, but here are a list of players that should be one and done.

DeMar DeRozan - Probably best overall talent player in the draft. Athletic as hell, and can finish like no other.

BJ Mullens - Already filled out frame on this 7 footer, great hands, tremendous athlete (for a white guy).. Best big in the draft by far. I have been waiting for him to hit college.. Going to be a great year next season!!!

Brandon Jennings - Another jaw dropping superstar in the making. Athletic, and can dunk at only 6'1. Good idea Bayless came out this year, because Jennings might have taken the spotlight over him. That's how good this kid is going to be.

Those are the players I am going to watch.. Good thing two of them are Pac-10, so we should be able to see most of their games out here. I am already talking to a couple of fellow Cincinnati Bengal fans to see if I can get some feeds from Ohio to watch Mullens :D
 
CruzDude said:
I looked at 15 mock drafts this morning (4/17), many reputable ones that generally aren't far off. But this year, those 15 mocks showed 11 different players for the Kings @ #12. Assuming the Kings don't make it into the top 3, here is the resulting list, in my order of probability:

Nicolas Batum, 6-8 SG/SF from France (picked by 3 mock drafts)
Russell Westbrook, 6-3 PG from UCLA (2)
Donte Greene, 6-10 SF from Syracuse (2)
Danilo Gallinari, 6-9 SF from Italy
Chris Douglas-Roberts, 6-6 SG from Memphis
Darrell Arthur, 6-10 F from Kansas
Tyler Hansbrough, 6-9 F, UNC
Blake Griffin, 6-10 F, Oklahoma
Marreese Speights, 6-10 PF, Florida So.
DeAndre Jordan, 7-0, Texas A&M
JaVale McGee, 7-0, Nevada-Reno

If one then takes a look at these same 15 mock drafts and their 13th selection, we add the following among others:

Kevin Love, 6-9, UCLA
D.J.Augustin, 5-11 PG, Texas
Chase Budinger, 6-7 SG, Arizona
Tywon Lawson, 6-0 PG, UNC
Anthony Randolph, 6-11 PF, LSU

So this year more than any other, a month before the draft there is virtually no concession of who the Kings should get. What do they know anyway? Not much, so its all entertainment at this point and discussion stimulation over a friendly beer. :cool:
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In the week following my first post, an interesting thing is happening regarding mock drafts for the Kings at #12: two conversions to Russell Westbrook PG in lieu of Donte Green a PF.

Thinking about that, if one assumes the Kings sign Beno for a bunch of years, Westbrook is a couple years away from starting in the NBA and could be a great backup to Beno for a couple of years.

Kings need a defensive PG for backup as Anthony will be gone. But do they need an aggressive, ball hawking rebounder who can block shots and still score 8-10 a night more?? And is anyone who falls to #12 going to be that guy?? This year? Maybe, and no.

Kevin Love seems closest to what GP and the Kings like/need. But he should be gone by then.

DeAndre Jordan is a couple of years away and is a project now (no face-the-basket game for a Big). Speights could be close and could be down at 12.

Then there is the Big Sleeper, JaVale McGee, the 7 footer from Nevada Reno with the great pedigree: Dad ex-NBA George Montgomery and WNBA all-star mom, Pamela McGee.

so PF or PG??
 
bajaden said:
I have a bunch of worthless notes, if anyone wants them..
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If you have notes on any of the following I will credit you with writing them up.

I need pretty much most of the second rounders. I have wrote up notes for all the first round picks from what I was able to gather from stats, watching games, and how well the team did. You can PM me the notes :D
 
CruzDude said:
In the week following my first post, an interesting thing is happening regarding mock drafts for the Kings at #12: two conversions to Russell Westbrook PG in lieu of Donte Green a PF.

Thinking about that, if one assumes the Kings sign Beno for a bunch of years, Westbrook is a couple years away from starting in the NBA and could be a great backup to Beno for a couple of years.

Kings need a defensive PG for backup as Anthony will be gone. But do they need an aggressive, ball hawking rebounder who can block shots and still score 8-10 a night more?? And is anyone who falls to #12 going to be that guy?? This year? Maybe, and no.

Kevin Love seems closest to what GP and the Kings like/need. But he should be gone by then.

DeAndre Jordan is a couple of years away and is a project now (no face-the-basket game for a Big). Speights could be close and could be down at 12.

Then there is the Big Sleeper, JaVale McGee, the 7 footer from Nevada Reno with the great pedigree: Dad ex-NBA George Montgomery and WNBA all-star mom, Pamela McGee.

so PF or PG??
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McGee was HORRIBLE defensively. For his size you would think he would be a lot better at clogging the middle, but he wasn't. He got into foul trouble a lot and would commit fouls where you would just scratch your head. Almost looked like frustration fouls, but you can't understand why he is frustrated.

He does have the potential, but I think Speights would be a better pick at 12.
 
See, it pays to go back and look at worthless notes!! just kidding. Good input. I had him at the bottom of my list. It's just that there has been so little about Speights and I've only seen a brief clip or two.

Real issue I'm banging on is for a 1st rounder, which do we get, PG or PF, if there are 1 or more of each of equal value available.

For example, if Westbrook AND Speights are both available, which one?

Or what about Westbrook AND Batum?

If Westbrook and Speights is gone and its Batum or Greene?

Gonna be a fun one June 26.
 
Gary said:
McGee was HORRIBLE defensively. For his size you would think he would be a lot better at clogging the middle, but he wasn't. He got into foul trouble a lot and would commit fouls where you would just scratch your head. Almost looked like frustration fouls, but you can't understand why he is frustrated.

He does have the potential, but I think Speights would be a better pick at 12.
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Speights is no.1 on my list.
 
CruzDude said:
For example, if Westbrook AND Speights are both available, which one?

Or what about Westbrook AND Batum?

If Westbrook and Speights is gone and its Batum or Greene?

Gonna be a fun one June 26.
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Westbrook and Speights I would have to say Westbrook.. This is about a tough of a decision as there is to make though..

Westbrook over Batum, because Batum didn't have a good year in the euroleague. He's still plagued by not being consistent.

Batum or Greene? Green because he does fill a need, and the boy can shoot the lights out.
 
Gary said:
Westbrook and Speights I would have to say Westbrook.. This is about a tough of a decision as there is to make though..

Westbrook over Batum, because Batum didn't have a good year in the euroleague. He's still plagued by not being consistent.

Batum or Greene? Green because he does fill a need, and the boy can shoot the lights out.
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Greene fills what need? tweener forward? No post D, no in between game, i.e. Tim Thomas.

.42/.35 is shooting the lights out?
 
I'd say if both Westbrook and Speights were gone, it means that at least one other player we didn't expect to have a shot at, fell. So, just as I'm not going to lose sleep over our chances of getting Rose, I'm not going to worry about someone like Greene or Batum being the best that's left. I'm sure that some players will test the waters and pull out, but I'm not expecting many in the top dozen.
 
Gary said:
Westbrook and Speights I would have to say Westbrook.. This is about a tough of a decision as there is to make though..

Westbrook over Batum, because Batum didn't have a good year in the euroleague. He's still plagued by not being consistent.

Batum or Greene? Green because he does fill a need, and the boy can shoot the lights out.
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So one vote for good PG who would backup Beno for a bit vs. a PF that could give good minutes as a rookie and probable do better than what we have now?

Hmmm............ gotta think about that one awhile. Kings have never had a true PG, one who distributes first, gets 8-10 assists a game, directs traffic and makes everyone else better but who can still get the 10-12+ points a night.

ESPN Draft Tracker doesn't think much of Westbrook this year:

Negatives: Still learning how to play point guard. Often plays off the ball with Darren Collison running the point. Ballhandling needs improvement. Can get out of control when he takes it to the basket. Has some range on his jump shot, but doesn't take a lot of 3s.

If that is a true view, then he can put himself into the top 2-3 next year if he stays at UCLA. Otherwise he becomes a 1-2 year development. And don't think the Kings would take that over a PF who can get 20-25 minutes the first year and contribute.
 
Vlade4GM said:
Greene fills what need? tweener forward? No post D, no in between game, i.e. Tim Thomas.

.42/.35 is shooting the lights out?
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For a big he has a sweet shot, and NBA 3pt range. His rebounding is suspect but at 7.7rpg it's not as bad as some might think. He is a bit undersized for the PF but I figure with a few years in the NBA he will fill out.

He probably will never be a dominant rebounder but could definitely fill a need at the and once he fills out might be better apt to box out.

A lot of Greene's problems stem from him not being in position to get the boards i.e. a lot of outside shooting. 5.5 defensive boards are pretty decent. Compare Greene to Arthur, and you will see what I mean in re: to the offensive boards. Arthur averages about the same per40 on the defensive boards, but offensive Arthur is in better position.
 
CruzDude said:
So one vote for good PG who would backup Beno for a bit vs. a PF that could give good minutes as a rookie and probable do better than what we have now?

Hmmm............ gotta think about that one awhile. Kings have never had a true PG, one who distributes first, gets 8-10 assists a game, directs traffic and makes everyone else better but who can still get the 10-12+ points a night.

ESPN Draft Tracker doesn't think much of Westbrook this year:

Negatives: Still learning how to play point guard. Often plays off the ball with Darren Collison running the point. Ballhandling needs improvement. Can get out of control when he takes it to the basket. Has some range on his jump shot, but doesn't take a lot of 3s.

If that is a true view, then he can put himself into the top 2-3 next year if he stays at UCLA. Otherwise he becomes a 1-2 year development. And don't think the Kings would take that over a PF who can get 20-25 minutes the first year and contribute.
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I think Westbrook would be a good choice because of how well he did vs. Collison when running UCLA. It wasn't THAT much better but imo he did do a better job, and he is better fit to run the point int he NBA.

It's still close though. Westbrook vs. Speights it's a coin toss.. Also would have to depend on whether or not Petrie thinks he can re-sign Beno or not.
 
Gary said:
For a big he has a sweet shot, and NBA 3pt range. His rebounding is suspect but at 7.7rpg it's not as bad as some might think. He is a bit undersized for the PF but I figure with a few years in the NBA he will fill out.

He probably will never be a dominant rebounder but could definitely fill a need at the and once he fills out might be better apt to box out.

A lot of Greene's problems stem from him not being in position to get the boards i.e. a lot of outside shooting. 5.5 defensive boards are pretty decent. Compare Greene to Arthur, and you will see what I mean in re: to the offensive boards. Arthur averages about the same per40 on the defensive boards, but offensive Arthur is in better position.
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long range shooting is a dime a dozen skill, we don't need him at all. The reason Arthur is a better risk is because he's a post player offensively and defensively, which Greene isn't.
 
I'm not a big fan of Green. I mean there are PF's and there are PF's. What type do we want. If I took a poll, I suspect most people would want someone that rebounds and plays defense. In another words, probably a low post presence. That is not Green. He's more of a R. Lewis type of player. I think he has a place in the NBA, but not with us. Thats why I'm leaning toward Speights or Thompson. Both big body's with talent, but imcomplete players. I'm curious to see how the mock drafts change after the pre-draft camp. I wish they would televise games from the Plymouth and Orlando camps. Maybe they need an ESPN 3.
 
Vlade4GM said:
long range shooting is a dime a dozen skill, we don't need him at all. The reason Arthur is a better risk is because he's a post player offensively and defensively, which Greene isn't.
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Well yah.. I was rating Greene against Batum.. Last thing I want is another SF. I would take Arthur though over Greene.. 6'10-6'11 guys that can shoot out to 3pt land, and play PF aren't a dime a dozen though. But I don't want our PF to do that though because he would be out of position to grab an offensive board.
 
Well if Spencer is going to make his living in the post. Then a Pf with range isn't a bad idea. BUT I don't want him to live out there he has to be at least respected in the paint. Id like to see Artest post up more than he did this year.

My wish is for a PF with range like Mikki but, be able to go above the rim I MEAN WAY ABOVE THE RIM.
 
I like Speights NBA comparison. Al Jefferson. So he has talent now but, has loads of potential with a high ceiling. yeah I say go with Speights. Westbrook does nothing for me right now. I am just wondering if GP think we have to many bigs at this point. With SAR coming back next season baring any trades or buyouts. We have Spencer, Brad, SAR, Mikki, KT, and Sheldon. Thats 6. We have the wings covered with 4 +Douby. Id rather stick with Beno starting and use the second round picks to move up for a pg or take a pg with one of those 2 picks.

Our roster
Beno
Douby
Martin
Garcia
Salmons
Artest
KT
Mikki
Sar
Sheldon
Spencer
Brad


thats 12 + 3 draft picks makes the 15 limit.
 
Gary said:
Well yah.. I was rating Greene against Batum.. Last thing I want is another SF. I would take Arthur though over Greene.. 6'10-6'11 guys that can shoot out to 3pt land, and play PF aren't a dime a dozen though. But I don't want our PF to do that though because he would be out of position to grab an offensive board.
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They aren't exactly uncommon either. I easily take Batum over Greene, Batum is actually a natural SF.
 
I don't really care what position we draft, honestly. If they're good enough, they'll find a place in the rotation regardless. Just please please please draft someone who can play defense for once. Small Forward, Center, Power Forward, Point Guard. Even Shooting Guard because they can be a key bench player behind Kevin. Get somebody who's going to make a difference on the defensive end at their position. That's all I care about. Westbrook or Speights would be awesome.
 
Entity said:
Well if Spencer is going to make his living in the post. Then a Pf with range isn't a bad idea. BUT I don't want him to live out there he has to be at least respected in the paint. Id like to see Artest post up more than he did this year.

My wish is for a PF with range like Mikki but, be able to go above the rim I MEAN WAY ABOVE THE RIM.
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To play with Spencer, I want a power forward who:

1) Can set a strong screen, roll to the basket, and FINISH.

2) Rebound

3) Defensively quick enough to do two things: A) block a shot and grab it after he blocks it; B) come from the weak side to take a charge/block a shot/threaten the shot with a block

4) Shoot an outside open outside shot to 15 feet. If he can hit an open 15 footer now, then he should be able to get to the 18 ft range in 2-3 years.
 
Kingster said:
To play with Spencer, I want a power forward who:

1) Can set a strong screen, roll to the basket, and FINISH.

2) Rebound

3) Defensively quick enough to do two things: A) block a shot and grab it after he blocks it; B) come from the weak side to take a charge/block a shot/threaten the shot with a block

4) Shoot an outside open outside shot to 15 feet. If he can hit an open 15 footer now, then he should be able to get to the 18 ft range in 2-3 years.
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Kevin Love = 3-1/2 out of 4!!1 He is just slow.
Speights = 3.9 out of 4!!
 
Westbrook has been the guy I have wanted for a while.... but I'm really starting to warm to Speights. If we came away with either one I would be ecstatic. If pressed to chose one.... gah still Westbrook but in a week this could be Speights.
 
ovrush said:
Westbrook has been the guy I have wanted for a while.... but I'm really starting to warm to Speights. If we came away with either one I would be ecstatic. If pressed to chose one.... gah still Westbrook but in a week this could be Speights.
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Here's the thing with Westbrook.. I've seen him play, god knows how many games and there's no denying his talent and athleticism. He's shown just enough ability at the PG position to intice me. However, he plays better without the ball in his hands as the primary ball handler. He also plays out of control at times and is prone to turnovers as a result. He's an exciting player, and I'm sure he will make the highlite film on ESPN many times. I'm just not sure if all this translates into what the Kings need.

Most of the negative's are correctable, and if he could play the pt, he would fill a need. I'm just not sure that he can. I'am sure that Speights can play the PF position, and so, I'm going with Speights.
 
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