Michael Porter Jr
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Sam Amick: The Kings aren’t the only top five team wrestling with the Michael Porter Jr. question: I’m told the Grizzlies are still seriously considering him at No. 4 – health concerns and all – after today’s medical display for lottery teams. Like Sacto, trading down is a possibility too.
Sam Amick: The Kings aren’t the only top five team wrestling with the Michael Porter Jr. question: I’m told the Grizzlies are still seriously considering him at No. 4 – health concerns and all – after today’s medical display for lottery teams. Like Sacto, trading down is a possibility too.
Nobody would’ve said that if the Kings stayed with the 7th pick. lol. They’d be talking about that last win vs Houston and how the draft really drops off exactly when the Kings are on the board. Figures the Kings would get a number 2 pick in a crap shoot draft. Just our luck. You’re probably not wrong though.
Anyway, I’m not feeling MPJ. It actually has less to do with his injury history and more with his game, or what I know of it. I want to see the Kings build a 10 deep, passing oriented team with players capable of taking over games if needed. Like Scott Perry’s stated vision during his cup of coffee here. The season Boston had is even more an inspiration. MPJ seems like somewhat of an iso ball stopper and that is currently what this team should avoid. There is still about 8 other prospects on this team and a potential ball hog may be a wrench. Players with his build often get drafted high because people want KD lite but theres still only one KD and no diet KD. I have a feeling MPJ entering the NBA won’t change that.
Anyway, I’m not feeling MPJ. It actually has less to do with his injury history and more with his game, or what I know of it. I want to see the Kings build a 10 deep, passing oriented team with players capable of taking over games if needed. Like Scott Perry’s stated vision during his cup of coffee here. The season Boston had is even more an inspiration. MPJ seems like somewhat of an iso ball stopper and that is currently what this team should avoid. There is still about 8 other prospects on this team and a potential ball hog may be a wrench. Players with his build often get drafted high because people want KD lite but theres still only one KD and no diet KD. I have a feeling MPJ entering the NBA won’t change that.
To be honest with you, I've no idea how quick he is or is not laterally. Game tape is limited and he hasn't done any agility tests, or at least it hasn't gone public. The major problem with Porter now that the medical part of things is ok is the limited information we have to work with. Teams that have seen him workout have more to go off of, but you and I have next to nothing.
I remain convinced that it's either Dončić or Bagley at 2 and Porter is our "if we trade down" scenario. It's good to have several plans and be prepared for whatever scenario may pop up on draft night.
I remain convinced that it's either Dončić or Bagley at 2 and Porter is our "if we trade down" scenario. It's good to have several plans and be prepared for whatever scenario may pop up on draft night.
He's a 7 out of 10 on an athletic/quickness scale, which is what Jimmer was per nba.net, which I think has a pretty good track record in evaluating that sort of thing. Is he going to be a bust like Jimmer? I doubt it. He's 6'8" tall, for one thing. But his athleticism/quickness is a detriment and it should be factored into the choice. Also, if you have mediocre athletes at the 2 (Bogs) and 3 (Doncic), then the Kings really need to upgrade the physicallity/athleticism on this team, sans Fox, to offset the Bogs & Doncic combo. Physicallity is the greatest need for this team, by far, not skill. Therefore, if one thinks that with Bagley the Kings would have to make roster changes, then certainly with Doncic the Kings would have to make major roster changes.
Doncic is faster than the majority of 6'8'' guys in the league, I will bet on that. His first step isn't great obviously, but he is very fast down the court after a defensive rebound. There won't be many guys who can keep up with him with a full head of steam. This forum is also going to have a meltdown when he first dunks on someone, which he will do. He doesn't have elite athleticism, but he is not a below average athlete. Bogdan manages fine, and Doncic is definitely a better athlete, without any question.
Quickness for a wing is much more important than speed. Even jumping ability isn't as important as quickness. If you're a wing, you better be able to get your own shot if you want to be in the star category, and that comes from quickness. If nba.net has it wrong on the 7 out of 10 scale and he's an 8 or a 9, great, then pick the guy, and we just added a physical athletic player to the roster who will help with our greatest need. If not, then the Kings better add some major physicallity to this team going forward so the cupcakes don't get pushed around and the Kings aren't one of the softer teams in the league going forward.
Mpj is easily quick enough to guard wings in general. Just like with Doncic, if you take Mpj you also need to add a wing defender. Then you match up your starting wings (Bogdan, Mpj, Wing defender) against the opponents three wings.
I dont think people realize but Porter actually has some upside defensively. Effort was just bad in tape as has been the case with a lot of top prospects like Tatum ect. Mpj when healthy could be athletic enough to be a respectable switch defender and even have some ability to block some shots as a weak side helper. He will probably never be a dominant 1-1 defender but not necessarily a minus defender. Whereas Doncic has basically zero upside defensively. Doncic is still my pick but he will never be a plus defender and Porter will most likely be much more productive on that end
I dont think people realize but Porter actually has some upside defensively. Effort was just bad in tape as has been the case with a lot of top prospects like Tatum ect. Mpj when healthy could be athletic enough to be a respectable switch defender and even have some ability to block some shots as a weak side helper. He will probably never be a dominant 1-1 defender but not necessarily a minus defender. Whereas Doncic has basically zero upside defensively. Doncic is still my pick but he will never be a plus defender and Porter will most likely be much more productive on that end
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I understand the main point here, and don’t totally disagree; however, I remember seeing last year that Bogs was one of the only guys on the team that could often stay in front of his man. I think in general the uber athlete is overblown, unless it’s combined with sufficient basketball IQ (ie James). Given the choice, I stock up on average athletes with smarts (which includes smarts on the defensive end) to the pure athlete.
The difference is at 7 we would get the player everyone else passed on. At 2 we get to make our choice.
The reality is no risk free option exists in this draft but several could be great if.......
Porter is absolutely a risk but so is Bagley. It’s not like Bagley is a 80% free throw shooter that just needs to extend his range.
Luka has great IQ but I have yet to see a jump where he gets more than his wrist over the rim. No one in the NBA has seen him more than Vlade so hard to say he is risk free.
It’s Vlade’s job to make the correct pick. None of us will know until 3 years out. I think it will be Bagley but won’t be upset if it’s Porter.
The reality is no risk free option exists in this draft but several could be great if.......
Porter is absolutely a risk but so is Bagley. It’s not like Bagley is a 80% free throw shooter that just needs to extend his range.
Luka has great IQ but I have yet to see a jump where he gets more than his wrist over the rim. No one in the NBA has seen him more than Vlade so hard to say he is risk free.
It’s Vlade’s job to make the correct pick. None of us will know until 3 years out. I think it will be Bagley but won’t be upset if it’s Porter.
I know you’re not talking about NBA 3s. That’s completely and utterly hilarious He will get torched by more than half the 3s in the NBA.
Of Course Doncic will dunk on someone. What does that mean?
Your speculation is based on what fact? Metric? 40 time. Because he ran against literal marshmallows in the Euros?
Of Course Doncic will dunk on someone. What does that mean?
Your speculation is based on what fact? Metric? 40 time. Because he ran against literal marshmallows in the Euros?
What’s up guys , long time lurker ( I’ve had this profile but I forgot the logins and haven’t posted in years) and avid kings fan from stockton.
Just wanted to say I don’t get the infatuation with this guy.... ok he was a top prospect coming out of high school but with the back injury and now this hip injury how can he even be in consideration for us? I would understand if say he had done the Nba combine and blew everyone away with his measureables and drills but we don’t even have that to go off of.
Picking porter would be insanity and really test my fandom once again because this franchise ( and I think fan base...especially outside of this forum) really can’t handle another bust. This kid might have upside but the injury risk and red flags are way too much
Just wanted to say I don’t get the infatuation with this guy.... ok he was a top prospect coming out of high school but with the back injury and now this hip injury how can he even be in consideration for us? I would understand if say he had done the Nba combine and blew everyone away with his measureables and drills but we don’t even have that to go off of.
Picking porter would be insanity and really test my fandom once again because this franchise ( and I think fan base...especially outside of this forum) really can’t handle another bust. This kid might have upside but the injury risk and red flags are way too much
At 6’11 he has the length to give guys trouble at the stretch four. At the end of the day your trying to be teams like GS & Houston and both of their 4’s are 6’7. It’s postionless basketball, you can play Porter Jr at the 5 vs the right teams and really spread the floor out. He never was a passing/assit guy because every time he played it was the MPJ show. Nobody could guard him. No point in trying to get 5 assists lol. High basketball due to him being from a basketball family and the ability to come back better every year.
First, it's team defense that wins games. The Spurs have always been a very good defensive team, but not necessarily a great athletic team. I might add that many times a player can have great up and down the court speed, but not good lateral quickness. And, vice versa! Jevon Carter of W. Virginia isn't an elite athlete, but that dude can stay in front of anyone and is one of the best PG defenders in college. Then you have a player like Wiggins, who is a terrific athlete, and he can't guard a chair.
It comes down to desire and hard work, and playing within a team defense system. Team defense is built on trust. You can't hang your teammate out to dry. I was very impressed with Buddy Hield toward the last third of the season. He was getting up in peoples grill on the defensive side of the ball. You'll never stop a great player from scoring, but you can make him as uncomfortable as possible, and that's what Buddy was doing toward the end of the season.
Your probably not going to be hearing much from me between now and the draft. (everyone applauds) I've said everything I can say about these players, and what's going on now is mostly nic picking nonsense (from the fans) and smoke and mirrors from the teams. So I'll see you on the other side.
It comes down to desire and hard work, and playing within a team defense system. Team defense is built on trust. You can't hang your teammate out to dry. I was very impressed with Buddy Hield toward the last third of the season. He was getting up in peoples grill on the defensive side of the ball. You'll never stop a great player from scoring, but you can make him as uncomfortable as possible, and that's what Buddy was doing toward the end of the season.
Your probably not going to be hearing much from me between now and the draft. (everyone applauds) I've said everything I can say about these players, and what's going on now is mostly nic picking nonsense (from the fans) and smoke and mirrors from the teams. So I'll see you on the other side.