Michael Porter Jr

KingsSelecao · Jun 15, 2018

That video is hilarious. Look at the players he’s going against. Looks like a bunch of marshmallows to what he will face in the NBA. It’s not even debateable.
I don’t know where you get Number 1 scoring option. Really, I have not heard one reputable draft expert. Not 1. Say that Doncic will be an Alpha Dog, Number one scorer. Personally, I think he will be very good. Better, if he played the point. At the 3, he will get schooled.

roasthawg · Jun 15, 2018

biltalent said:

The video was good but the article was funny lol. The four guys that he had grouped as plus athletes were all stars. The other guys were all average type players that we don't want to be drafting at #2. I've been saying it this whole time but there's only one guy playing in the NBA right now with a similar athletic and size profile to Doncic that might be worthy of the #2 pick and that's Gordon Hayward.

ESP47 · Jun 15, 2018

Please just let this whole thing be all for nothing. I've been watching a good amount of tape on this guy and he is seriously the worst, most over hyped prospect I have ever scouted in the lottery. This kid is a 100%, no doubt about it, bust in the making.

His hype has to be manufactured in some way or another because there is no proof of him having any sort of above average NBA skills up until this point. There's just no proof of it. He is or was above average at 2 things. He was athletic before his injury, no idea if he will ever gain that back. His other skill is being able to shoot over defenders, mostly because they're shorter than him. That's all he brings to the table at this point. He's an average shooter at best. Takes inefficient shots. Will get stripped 9 times out of 10 if he dribbles into the lane. Can't defend worth a lick. Has very little to almost no passing instincts whatsoever. This kid is going to wind up being the most homeless man's version of Rudy Gay that you can imagine.

I simply don't see what it is that people see in this kid. I'd maybe take him at like 15 and just cross my fingers and hope that he all the sudden develops about 10 skills that we've never seen before but I wouldn't touch him in the lottery. He will go down as the biggest bust in Kings history if taken. Mark my words on this one.

kingsfan1984 · Jun 15, 2018

Looks like i may be one of the few celebrating on draft night should we get Porter. Love that Vlade has the cohones to actually take him over the overwhelming fan sentiment

biltalent · Jun 15, 2018

KingsSelecao said:

Mhh I'm not sure if I expressed myself clearly enough, so let me try again: I agree with you, he is most likely not going to be a 25+ppg scorer. The point I was trying to make is that you can be of that opinion but the argument that Doncic = Jimmer is completely ridicoulous.

KingsSelecao · Jun 15, 2018

NBA Draft prospect Michael Porter Jr. revealed his medical/physical evaluation today at his workout and the results turned out better than expected.

As reported by Jordan Schultz of Yahoo Sports, Porter Jr. was in Chicago where NBA teams and their respective scouts were on the lookout for the 19-year-old’s medical test. This could be enough to prod Porter Jr.’s stock come draft night.

A top prospect ever since high school, Porter Jr.’s stock declined after he suffered a back injury in college. This forced him to sit out the rest of the season to undergo surgery. Though he said that he’s doing alright, NBA teams still feel restless.

A quick look at history will reveal that not a few top picks were injured even before playing their first NBA game. As such, the teams’ cautious behavior towards Porter Jr. is understandable.

Porter Jr. said that he’s been doing extra work and has been regularly working with his therapist. He that there’s no possibility to reinjure his back, per NBA.com:

“I just have to keep up with my (leg) extensions, my core exercises and stretching. I have a great physical therapist and team working with me through the draft, and they’re making me feel better every day. The recent MRI was to see how it had fully healed. There’s no risk to reinjure it.”
But now that NBA scouts have seen it right before their eyes that he’s healthy and good to go, Porter Jr. could find himself among the Top 3 picks in the draft.

roasthawg · Jun 15, 2018

kingsfan1984 said:

It's really not about cohones or fan sentiment... If Vlade gets the pick right he might have a future in the NBA. If he gets it wrong he's most likely done as a GM. He won't get another shot, this is his legacy pick. Going with the safe fan favorite pick won't save his career if that ends up being the wrong pick. He's gonna get the guy he believes in.

KingsSelecao · Jun 15, 2018

roasthawg said:

It's really not about cohones or fan sentiment... If Vlade gets the pick right he might have a future in the NBA. If he gets it wrong he's most likely done as a GM. He won't get another shot, this is his legacy pick. Going with the safe fan favorite pick won't save his career if that ends up being the wrong pick. He's gonna get the guy he believes in.

Porter is my guy. I would be thrilled with the pick.

funkykingston · Jun 15, 2018

kingsfan1984 said:

And media sentiment. I hadn't seen a single mock draft with Porter in the top 5 until this week and that only happened because of the Kings rumored interest in him. Woj has him going 15th.

It'd be a huge gamble. He was the consensus #2 player in HS but never played a meaningful minute on the college level and is coming off surgery.

Peesonally I don't like his tape from when he was healthy. I think he's an inefficient chucker who will be a poor defending stretch 4 on the next level but I'd want to be wrong if the FO actually takes him #2. I'll be forced to root for him to succeed.

The team will get hammered by the media on draft night but that's fine. Just so long as he turns out to be a great player when all is said and done.

Because if Porter has a career hampered by injuries or simply isn't a good NBA player while guys drafted in the next few slots become stars then it will be a decision that will be brought up for the next decade or two as an example of how clueless the Kings are and why they've been such a terrible franchise for so long.

dude12 · Jun 15, 2018

funkykingston said:

And media sentiment. I hadn't seen a single mock draft with Porter in the top 5 until this week and that only happened because of the Kings rumored interest in him. Woj has him going 15th.

It'd be a huge gamble. He was the consensus #2 player in HS but never played a meaningful minute on the college level and is coming off surgery.

Peesonally I don't like his tape from when he was healthy, but I'd want to be wrong if the FO actually takes him #2. The team will get hammered by the media on draft night but that's fine.

But if Porter has a career hampered by injuries or simply isn't a good NBA player while guys drafted in the next few slots become stars then it will be a decision that will be brought up for the next decade or two as an example of how clueless the Kings are and why they've been such a terrible franchise for so long.

Woj also made the disclaimer that if the medical reports checked out on Porter then Porter would go somewhere in the top 7. Based on the latest, Porter is healthy.

biltalent · Jun 15, 2018

roasthawg said:

Thats true. I think of it as the following: shooting, passing, dribbling and IQ are necessary to play in the NBA. The more the better, thats why Ingles etc are awesome role players. Then you add size and athleticism and they work as catalysts, basically multiplying your impact. Thats when you get Lebron.
Doncic has one of those (size) but not the other (explosiveness). Thats why he doesnt project as a go to guy right now. However, what we have also seen is that some guys develop so extreme outliers skill and IQ wise that they end up stars (Curry, Harden). I dont think you can project that for Doncic right now, but you never know.
But I have said that before, even if he scores only like 15 ppg but gives you 6rpg and 6apg but transformes your team, thats an awesome player to have. Id rather have that than an empty 25ppg scorer like MPJ who may stunts the growth of his teammates by not passing, bad shot selection etc.

KingsFanSince85 · Jun 15, 2018

KingsSelecao said:

Please tell why. What evidence is out there that proves to you the guy is worthy of the #2 pick? Most the rest of us would like to know cause we're not seeing it.

Something tells me the pro-Porter crowd is placing their hopes on his measureables and perceived potential because of it. Because it can't be based upon visual evidence. The kid played 3 whole games in college, which weren't impressive at all.

If it weren't for a poor freshman year at Kentucky, Skal Labissière might have went much higher in the 2016 draft based upon his high school production. However, unlike Skal, we didn't get to see a freshman year from Porter that could have validated or invalidated him. When you mix in the back issue, the pro-Porter crowd sure is willing to overlook a lot and trust nothing but their faith.

VF21 · Jun 15, 2018

dude12 said:

Somewhere in the top 7 is a LOT different than in the top 2 or 3.

I've tried very hard to see what the pro-Porter people are so excited about and all I see is a high risk of failure or ... Greg Oden. This pick IMO is just too important to take that kind of chance.

roasthawg · Jun 15, 2018

VF21 said:

Not in this draft... The top six or seven guys are all really close.

ockingsfan · Jun 15, 2018

If Vlade really does draft MPJ instead of Doncic or Bagley at #2, I would be disappointed, but I will reserve judgement until a couple years down the road.

Because, if he is not right about MPJ, he would be setting the franchise back at least 3-4 years if MPJ's back doesn't hold up.

Bosnian Diehard · Jun 16, 2018

I was looking through Porter’s twitter... These are tweets he liked:

4/5 likes referencing Porter going to a team include Sacramento, one is Chicago. Hmmm

jcassio · Jun 16, 2018

biltalent said:

This narrative has to stop. Jimmer was never skilled. The only skill he had was shooting. He coudnt dribble, not a good a passer, bad IQ. Doncic on the other hand is one of the most skilled / high IQ players at 6'8"/6'9" to come into the league in a long time. Not to mention, "Jimmer-like athleticism" got to be a joke right? I mean, Doncic is not prime Lebron out there, but come on.

If you dont think doncic will be a number 1 scoring option, thats totally fine, but at least make reasonable arguments for it.

Oh and by the way, you can also read up here that there are just as many top athletes as non elite athletes doing well at SF.

https://www.sactownroyalty.com/2018/6/14/17462948/for-those-with-concerns-about-lukas-athleticism

Hey - stop bashing Jimmer! We gave up on him too soon. Karl could have turned his career around. Not really.

ockingsfan · Jun 16, 2018

Bosnian Diehard said:

Well, at least that is a good sign that MPJ is open to becoming a King.

I would really want a private workout with MPJ if I am taking him #2 overall.

Noble · Jun 16, 2018

His handle looks worse than Casspi's, and his was horrible. Red flags and balls bouncing off feet or being swiped clean really a number 2 overall?

MissouriPorterJr · Jun 16, 2018

"Yeah, I do, too," he said of hearing the comparisons. "Recently, it's been more like Tracy McGrady back in the day. I've gotten that a lot. Paul George sometimes. But KD's always in there. Just the bigger wings. I like to say I have my own game, but yeah. Kind of like Brandon but more explosive, so it's kind of like an in-between thing. I wouldn't like to label myself as one player, like KD or like Tracy McGrady, but those are some comparisons."

Brandon would be former Nathan Hale coach Brandon Roy, the three-time NBA All-Star who last played in 2013 and coached Porter Jr. for his senior year.

"He's by far better than I was, and in so many areas," Roy said. "He shoots it like a pro already. He can handle it. His work ethic is ridiculous. I have to tell him sometimes, 'Hey, Mike, resting is a skill, too. You gotta know when to go, when to save it.' He's lifting weights two days a week, he's really regimented."

He added: "I think he's gonna be like an NBA superstar. I think he's going to be the face of the NBA. I know it's big shoes and it's early, but I think he's going to be like that Kevin Durant, that Steph Curry, that James Harden."

Brandon Roy knows what he’s talking about

MissouriPorterJr · Jun 16, 2018

Noble said:

Of course his handles were shakey after sitting out the whole enitre season. That’s something he can definitely get better at. But at the end of the day he’s 6’11 and an elite shooter + athlete + high basketball IQ. He’s only 19, once he gets more comfortable with his handles he’s going to average 25+. As a Rockets fan I’m very familiar with Casspi ball handling lmfao he’s not that bad.

Joshoua · Jun 16, 2018

MissouriPorterJr said:

Lol 25ppg Bagel has a better chance averaging 30ppg. Show me video of porter getting to the basket or drawing foul do people think getting 25ppg is easy

MissouriPorterJr · Jun 16, 2018

Joshoua said:

He had 1 assists because he’s used to being upstoppable and the best scorer in the gym. Everyone on his team choked except his little brother. They gave him the ball and he went Melo mode. He had a lot of shots that went in & out and kept shooting but they didn’t fall. He claimed to be 60 percent. Just wanted to play.

MissouriPorterJr · Jun 16, 2018

Joshoua said:

He’s shown to be an elite scorer at every level. I can’t wait til MPJ gets drafted number 2 and saves your franchise.

MPJ has had it way to easy. Never struggled for a bucket or looked pressed. Bagley is nice and a safe pick. But if you want to go out swinging for a guy who’s celling is Kevin Durant you gotta do it.

Noble · Jun 16, 2018

This dude is nowhere close to KD lmao. This is lonzo ball as a point forward

Noble · Jun 16, 2018

MissouriPorterJr said:

Yeah that's not happening in the NBA. A flubbed drive attempt into a twirling, 360 fade away jump shot will get laughed out of the league.

Ozymandias · Jun 16, 2018

Noble said:

Draymond Green is sorta like Lonzo ball as a point forward, not MP Jr.

Line up Balls stats this szn next to draymonds, their much closer than casual fans realize.

Kingsfan23 · Jun 16, 2018

MissouriPorterJr said:

What good is being 6’11 if he’s not strong enough/tough enough to play PF? It’s bad when someone that height can’t and is also not laterally quick enough to check SF. What BBIQ? His passing and playmaking aren’t notable

mac · Jun 16, 2018

jcassio said:

Well in fairness he actually had one of the best bball iq on the team at the time. Though that may speak more about the team than about him.

dude12 · Jun 16, 2018

@sam_amick: The Kings aren’t the only top five team wrestling with the Michael Porter Jr. question: I’m told the Grizzlies are… https://t.co/82E7tRXrwZ

Smokescreen or real interest?

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