Maybe we have been looking at rebuilding the wrong way .. heres an alternative idea!

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

just like to start off by saying I havent put a WHOLE lot of thought into this strategy, and Im not sure its the best way or even a possible way to go .. but anyways .. here it is.

* If we land a #1,2, or 3 pick in the draft I wouldnt consider this, this is if we are forced into the 5-10 and on range in the lottery.

We have 3 picks in this years draft as of now. It looks like it will be a late first, early first and early second.

What if we traded away those picks for a star player on a bad team instead of adding to our young players. Personally, I like our youth and I think we have enough of it UNLESS we can add a top 3 pick like I said above. I mean, we dont have enought minutes for the young players we have now, so adding more may not be the best idea.


here are the names Ive thought of off the top of my head:

Caron Butler, Gilbert Arenas : I like butler. I have never been a huge fan of agent zero, but he can be a very good player when healthy .. personally I wouldnt take a chance on him tho ... Washington is worse than us right now, 1-10 in the east .. granted they dont have gilbert now, but I could see them unloading a star for picks this offseason.

Baron Davis, Great point guard .. Clipps are terrible, they got screwed this offseason with the whole brand fiasco .. maybe they have decided they want to go with the rebuild and start fresh with 2 first rounders..

Dirk, yep, Dirk... also throw in Howard to the list.. Mavs werent very good last year, and arent playing well this year. Nowitzki is a free agent in 2010 and this might increase the chances of the mavs dealing him .. I wouldnt touch him unless we can get him to sign an extension. Josh howard was rumored for ron last year, he has off court issues but he is a good player offensively and defensively.. something to think about .. I could see Cuban blowing it up and going to picks.

Melo - wishful thinking here, but you never know .. for some reason they have been rumored as shopping melo for a while now ..


these are just a few names, there are some other ones .. like rip and sheed from the pistons .. carter from the nets ( no thanks ) and others .. I just listed the ones I like best and thought would make the most sense ..


heres where people tell me Im crazy, Im just thinking outside the box here .. I saw what boston did, when they couldnt get oden the went out and traded for KG and Allen .. It can be done, we have our one star, maybe we trade for another 1 and hawes, thompson or greene can develope as the third of our big three.

 

[kf4l]

But didn't the celtics give away their future basically to get Allen and KG. I mean its great in all but look what they had to give up. Jefferson is young and is already putting up allstar numbers. Their pick did land them Ray Allen but think about it if they didn't trade Jefferson for KG than it would of been useless. IMO I say we wait and let the chips fall. Its a high risk to just give up future. Celtics got kinda lucky and they better win as many championships they can right now because their core is getting pretty old.

 

[kf4l]

To add to that its not a bad idea if we can land a young player with allstar talent but most of those guys you said are at their prime or past their prime and I just don't think this team is ready to contend for a championship yet even with a allstar. I say our young guys need at least another year of development.

 

[Emma]

all 3 picks, Brad and John for Amare Stoudamire.

Done. How does the math shake down on that one?

 

[captain bill]

I think Davis is the best choice of that list, a guy who could make the offense really go, and might really help the young ones get into the flow on offense. Problem is, if the Clippers do well at all this year they are not going to want to part with him. They have too many pieces in place (Randolph, B-Diddy and Kaman) to blow it up this offseason, barring an absolutely horrendous campaign this year. They are bad right now, but there is still time to turn it around, especially with new blood coming in.

Could we get Dirk? Arenas? Maybe. Butler or Melo- not without giving up a piece (or pieces) of the core (Kmart JT Hawes). Dirk doesn't help us much- we'd have a deep frontcourt, sure, a potent offense, but I don't think that's enough to get us into contention. Arenas is injury prone and probably doesn't have enough left to lead a team.

I think we would be better off drafting, or ideally, if we end up with and early first and a mid to late first, trying to trade up to top 5 or 3 (one or more of Miller, Udrih, Salmons, Garcia, Greene and Browne could help get it done). If there is a franchise PG on the board, I say do it.

Even if we don't trade the picks, I am confident in Petrie's ability to find at least one gem in the first round. For the first time in years we have lots of talent moving forward, I don't think trading picks is the way to go- if anything we should be adding picks at this point to try to shore up the youth movement and patch some holes.

 

[Vlade4GM]

No one we'd be getting with those picks would get us over the hump, so it's not worth it. No point in selling out our future for a team that will not contend for a championship.

 

[rhythmless]

It is an interesting idea for sure... but out of the list there isn't anyone that we would have that gives us both a chance to compete for a championship, AND leave a lasting impression on our youth once they leave us.

B-Diddy and Gil are both great scorers, but they do not belong on a young rebuilding team. Both are freewheeling, shoot first, pass later point guards, and would not add to the development of our youth, nor turn us into a legitimate team in the west.

All the people you mentioned do fit the theory of tradeable stars, but none fit our weakness of a true facilitator. You have Baron jacking up shots, how's Martin going to get his shots? How is Hawes going to get in the post?

kf, while the big3 are aging, they have given the young kids an invaluble way of learning the game. I truly believe Rondo would not have accelerated the way he could have if not for starting alongside 3 HOFers. He was able to have no pressure as a starter, and not asked to shoulder much of the load. This allowed him to take his time, play off the big 3, and pick up experience that cannot be replicated. The aura of KG is something to behold. Same goes for Perkins. Perkins was a nobody in the league, and we all saw what he did in the playoffs. Throw in Powe, and it's not like Ainge threw away 10 years for one championship.

Course, this idea is not the go for broke that Ainge did, nor the full youth movement like the Blazers; it's a "get better for the time being" trade, which loses minutes for players knocks us out of contention for good draft picks, and ultimately, not leave lasting impressions on players.

I would like to have Kidd for a year, ideally with a young true point guard behind him. Other than that, I don't see anyone that I would like.

 

[bajaden]

For one thing, salaries have to match, and two firsts and a second aren't going to match Davis salary. At this point we finally seem commited to a direction, and this would be a change of that direction. I'm for staying the course and seeing who we can pick up in 2010.

 

[Entity]

I am actually scared to trade John, Mikki, or Brad because of fear of what we might get back. What if we do get some talent back but, he is a vet ala Jermaine O'neal or someone like that.

On the other hand if we could get an expiring and a pick. That would be cool to have 3 first rounders next year.

 

[Kings Faithful]

No one we'd be getting with those picks would get us over the hump, so it's not worth it. No point in selling out our future for a team that will not contend for a championship.

I wouldn't consider giving up two first round draft picks as selling our future thoe....We have 4 young players on the rise in Martin, Hawes, Thompson, and Brown ( i think he's gonna be good) and i think they make our future pretty much secure honestly. I think this is a pretty good idea in fact and it couldn't hurt to at least shop our picks around and see what pops up. I think we should focus more on picking up a 25-28 yr old player who can close out games rather than a player like Dirk who is 30. I think Caron Butler was a good sugestion. The Wizards might be a little desperate to ship off a player for some picks with the way their season has been going, although they are probably looking more for a way to get Gilbert out of their.

 

[Prince_XY]

If we're just going to trade for a non-franchise/non-leader type of player, then we might as well just wait for this rebuild to finish through drafts.

Only a Garnett, Stoudamire, Duncan, LBJames, Kobe Bryant, or even Chris Paul type of players can make a team have a quick turn around.

BTW, we're not doing as bad as we think we are. IMO, the team has been losing a lot because we never got the chance to play a complete and healthy team ever since the start of the season.

 

[KingsCitizen]

OMP, Kings will just look and see what the young guys (Thompson, Hawes, Green, even Brown) can do and build their confidence this season. Petrie will not trade his picks unless he sees at least 4 positions have good enough young talents. So far Martin(2), Hawes(5), Thompson(4) are the only better than "good enough" kids. If either Brown/Greene will blossom this season(just like JT so far), it will be very apparent that Petrie will trade some picks for a more established young talent.

Most likely, Kings will be getting those established players for the PG and SF spots.

Salmons is more likely gone by Feb.

Mikki, Thomas, Reef contracts are pretty much ready for 09 buyout. Roughly 20M off the payroll, which pretty much puts us on one of the best position to pry possible big 09 FA.

Douby and Williams(unless he improves his offense) are likely not to be extended. Which gives another 6M off the payroll.

Boozer, Marion, and Hedo are heading the FA for 09. If we can get one this guys by next season plus 2 high picks(most likely a SF/C/PG), were already back in contention faster than expected.

And then comes 2010, when Miller will most likely be unloaded and we can add another good established talent.

It's getting more and more exciting! I can't wait for this season to end... LOL... No need to hurry for getting big names now. Kings will be there as soon as this season is over.

 

[Aenadin]

just like to start off by saying I havent put a WHOLE lot of thought into this strategy, and Im not sure its the best way or even a possible way to go .. but anyways .. here it is.

* If we land a #1,2, or 3 pick in the draft I wouldnt consider this, this is if we are forced into the 5-10 and on range in the lottery.

We have 3 picks in this years draft as of now. It looks like it will be a late first, early first and early second.

What if we traded away those picks for a star player on a bad team instead of adding to our young players. Personally, I like our youth and I think we have enough of it UNLESS we can add a top 3 pick like I said above. I mean, we dont have enought minutes for the young players we have now, so adding more may not be the best idea.


here are the names Ive thought of off the top of my head:

Caron Butler, Gilbert Arenas : I like butler. I have never been a huge fan of agent zero, but he can be a very good player when healthy .. personally I wouldnt take a chance on him tho ... Washington is worse than us right now, 1-10 in the east .. granted they dont have gilbert now, but I could see them unloading a star for picks this offseason.

Baron Davis, Great point guard .. Clipps are terrible, they got screwed this offseason with the whole brand fiasco .. maybe they have decided they want to go with the rebuild and start fresh with 2 first rounders..

Dirk, yep, Dirk... also throw in Howard to the list.. Mavs werent very good last year, and arent playing well this year. Nowitzki is a free agent in 2010 and this might increase the chances of the mavs dealing him .. I wouldnt touch him unless we can get him to sign an extension. Josh howard was rumored for ron last year, he has off court issues but he is a good player offensively and defensively.. something to think about .. I could see Cuban blowing it up and going to picks.

Melo - wishful thinking here, but you never know .. for some reason they have been rumored as shopping melo for a while now ..


these are just a few names, there are some other ones .. like rip and sheed from the pistons .. carter from the nets ( no thanks ) and others .. I just listed the ones I like best and thought would make the most sense ..


heres where people tell me Im crazy, Im just thinking outside the box here .. I saw what boston did, when they couldnt get oden the went out and traded for KG and Allen .. It can be done, we have our one star, maybe we trade for another 1 and hawes, thompson or greene can develope as the third of our big three.

Gilbert and Butler: I dont think so they may be good but i dont see one of them able to lift the entire team

Carmelo: pretty much one dimensional offensive player IMO big salary and honestly he is not worth 3 picks

Dirk: hes moving to the 30s of age i dont think he is a good pick up

KG and Allen same as above...

personally i would like to take risks on 3 picks than to risk on a 25+ year old player especially on a 30 plus year old guy...

rockets pick will play on the 16th to 20th i dont see them playing as a top seed with injuries already kicking in so early. so if we DO miss the playoffs get a top 10 pick a mid-late pick and an early 2nd round pick were in a position where in we can get 3 players in a prospect list..

 

[Jespher]

I Like the Amare Stoudemire idea above...Do you think we could go after a Josh Smith, Al Horford, Mike Coneley, Jeff Green, Joakim Noah type player with a move like this? Maybe we could throw in Kenny to match salaries...

Sheldon + Pick(s) for any one of these players all work salary wise

Mike Conley
Jeff Green
Joakim Noah


John +/- Pick(s) for Al Horford would work

John + Kenny + Picks for Amare would work (so would Brad instead of Kenny)

I also have always admired Dirk Nowitzki, and think he would be a great asset to this team, but above all, we need to bring a true facilitating PG here and Rubio might be that guy if we draft high enough...

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

well, The idea would be to grab one of those players for picks and a contract or two... KT and another player could do it .. if its a huge contract maybe brad, .. could also be beno or garcia if need be, although I love garcia ..

arent we keeping KT around to use that expiring contract anyways?? wouldnt we just cut him if we didnt think we could put it to use?

If we dealt KT's contract we still have brad, williams, mikki and douby off the books by 2010 were we could add one of those free agents to go along with who we traded for this year ..

best case scenario IMO :

Baron Davis
Kevin Martin
Insert Star SF here from FA class 2010
Jason Thompson
Spencer Hawes

I also wouldnt mind trading away hawes or thompson to bring back a better defensive/athletic big like amare

 

[bajaden]

I Like the Amare Stoudemire idea above...Do you think we could go after a Josh Smith, Al Horford, Mike Coneley, Jeff Green, Joakim Noah type player with a move like this? Maybe we could throw in Kenny to match salaries...

Sheldon + Pick(s) for any one of these players all work salary wise

Mike Conley
Jeff Green
Joakim Noah


John +/- Pick(s) for Al Horford would work

John + Kenny + Picks for Amare would work (so would Brad instead of Kenny)

I also have always admired Dirk Nowitzki, and think he would be a great asset to this team, but above all, we need to bring a true facilitating PG here and Rubio might be that guy if we draft high enough...

OK, lets get real here. The Hawks aren't going to give up Horford, not unless their on drugs. The Suns aren't going to give up Amare. Both these guys are young and the future of their teams.

Of Conley, Green, and Noah. Green is the only one I would be interested in. I liked him in college and I think he's being misused right now.

I love Dirk, but were in a rebuild. He's the type of player that would put you over the top is he's the last piece. All he would do now is probably get us into the first round of the playoffs, and slow down the rebuild. He is a tad better than Mikkie though.

 

[bigd]

I really think we should go after free agents next year since everyone is waiting for 2010. I would absolutely love to get Boozer. I think we should trade Salmons and Kenny Thomas/Mikki Moore for Szserbiak and then we will have a ton of space to go after FAs next year. Plus it will give our young guys more playing time, and we will probably get a better draft pick.