Maybe Kings trade #5 as piece to get a Vet Big

[CruzDude]

What if the Kings went after a big like Brandon Haywood or Dalembert using the 5th pick as major piece of the deal? Our need is defense in the middle period. Getting another "giant upside rookie" slows down the rebuild anoeer 2 yr or more IMHO. A vet big starts right now and the kids core has the middle protected and someone else to get a double team.

 

[mr. moustache]

Good plan, but not those guys. Dalembert is old and isn't even worth his contract. Haywood is old and a free agent(I think).

Big Al is the only young big I imagine to be remotely available for the 5th + candy.

What if the Kings went after a big like Brandon Haywood or Dalembert using the 5th pick as major piece of the deal? Our need is defense in the middle period. Getting another "giant upside rookie" slows down the rebuild anoeer 2 yr or more IMHO. A vet big starts right now and the kids core has the middle protected and someone else to get a double team.

 

[91sickness]

There is no way I would be willing to give up #5 for either of those guys. I would want a more proven player. The celtics gave up their #5 pick and got Ray Allen. Plus teams are not usually looking to move stud young big men, which is what we are looking for. Our best bet is to hope Cousins falls to us or try and trade up for either him or favors. We need elite talent on this team. Aquiring mediocre players will not get this team out of the lottery anytime soon.

 

[funkykingston]

I like the idea in the abstract but in reality I don't see a big - specifically a center - who would both help this team significantly in the areas of need (man-to-man post defense, weakside shotblocking, rebounding etc) AND who would be available for the 5th pick and throw ins.

 

[Sparky6string]

I like the idea in the abstract but in reality I don't see a big - specifically a center - who would both help this team significantly in the areas of need (man-to-man post defense, weakside shotblocking, rebounding etc) AND who would be available for the 5th pick and throw ins.

Cole Aldrich

 

[Big Cuz 15]

our 5th pick for dj mbenga and adam morrison ftw!

 

[Big Cuz 15]

if we got dj mbenga, we'd be on espn, nba highlights frequently!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRf3f4CRWLE

 

[roasthawg]

Cole Aldrich

+1... Aldrich is the answer here.

 

[hammystyle]

We can get either of those guys for nothing. Haywood is a FA, Dalembert is a big contract Philly would like to drop.

As options they are just ok. Haywood could work depending on length of contract and price. Dalembert is just not that great.

For the 5th pick you want to look at young vets. M Gasol, Bogut, Noah, Horford. I doubt any of those teams are that motivated to do so however.

Trading high picks for vets usually doesn't work out. Last year with Washington trading the #5 for Mike Miller and Randy Foye being a good example. Reason being if you're drafting high, you're probly not that close to contending. So don't try to shortcut the process. One notable exception being the Celts trading the #5 for Ray Allen, but of course that was the 2nd biggest move of the summer for them and they were in a very unique position.

 

[Bricklayer]

What if the Kings went after a big like Brandon Haywood or Dalembert using the 5th pick as major piece of the deal? Our need is defense in the middle period. Getting another "giant upside rookie" slows down the rebuild anoeer 2 yr or more IMHO. A vet big starts right now and the kids core has the middle protected and someone else to get a double team.

Well its the right premise, but wrong players. Burning a #5 pick for 30yr old guys who've never been able to make a consistent impact would be something you only do if you are on the cusp of contending. Now part of a package for a MAJOR player, yes, sure. Part of a package or the whole offer for a YOUNG shotblocker, sure. But not for guys like Haywood (couldn't be done anyway since he's a free agent) or Dalembert (1yr left on his contract).

 

[Big Cuz 15]

We can get either of those guys for nothing. Haywood is a FA, Dalembert is a big contract Philly would like to drop.

As options they are just ok. Haywood could work depending on length of contract and price. Dalembert is just not that great.

For the 5th pick you want to look at young vets. M Gasol, Bogut, Noah, Horford. I doubt any of those teams are that motivated to do so however.

Trading high picks for vets usually doesn't work out. Last year with Washington trading the #5 for Mike Miller and Randy Foye being a good example. Reason being if you're drafting high, you're probly not that close to contending. So don't try to shortcut the process. One notable exception being the Celts trading the #5 for Ray Allen, but of course that was the 2nd biggest move of the summer for them and they were in a very unique position.

we can have them for nothing? so we don't have to give up the 5th pick to get some old guys? i was thinking maybe the 5th pick for darko milicic since he's a pretty good shot blocker or eddy currey since he fills the lane pretty well.

 

[sidney]

Well, if Cousins doesn't drop to 5 and Johnson doesn't looks like a star to Petrie, I wonder if Kahn would be so excited about drafting Cousins AND Johnson that he would give us Al Jefferson, and his two other 1st round picks for our #5. Something like that would be interesting...

 

[Dime Dropper]

we can have them for nothing? so we don't have to give up the 5th pick to get some old guys? i was thinking maybe the 5th pick for darko milicic since he's a pretty good shot blocker or eddy currey since he fills the lane pretty well.

Anywho, there really isn't any point in trading the 5th pick for a guy like Haywood or Dalembert. You're likely to get a guy as good as those at 5, and more importantly they will be young and fit in with the youth movement. We don't need to add vets yet unless it's in a blockbuster deal. Contrary to the OP's opinion, I think adding an aging vet instead of another young talented guy would slow down the rebuild, and not vice-versa. We should have learned that from the last few years.

 

[Bricklayer]

Well, if Cousins doesn't drop to 5 and Johnson doesn't looks like a star to Petrie, I wonder if Kahn would be so excited about drafting Cousins AND Johnson that he would give us Al Jefferson, and his two other 1st round picks for our #5. Something like that would be interesting...

Er no -- he's not going to give us all his picks for #5. But a straight #5/contracts for Jefferson deal remains one of those on paper possibilities.

 

[bajaden]

Since were playing what if. If either Cousins or Favors were to be sitting on the board at 5, would you trade that pick to the Suns for Robin Lopez with possibly Goran Dragic thrown in? I realize that its not likely that Favors would be there, but were playing what if..

 

[Bricklayer]

Since were playing what if. If either Cousins or Favors were to be sitting on the board at 5, would you trade that pick to the Suns for Robin Lopez with possibly Goran Dragic thrown in? I realize that its not likely that Favors would be there, but were playing what if..

No.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Since were playing what if. If either Cousins or Favors were to be sitting on the board at 5, would you trade that pick to the Suns for Robin Lopez with possibly Goran Dragic thrown in? I realize that its not likely that Favors would be there, but were playing what if..

I would have to say no. Robin is a solid player, and I actually really like Dragic, but you don't trade a potential star for a couple role players. Favors has too much upside. And he fits perfectly with this team.

 

[TTown Kings]

Since were playing what if. If either Cousins or Favors were to be sitting on the board at 5, would you trade that pick to the Suns for Robin Lopez with possibly Goran Dragic thrown in? I realize that its not likely that Favors would be there, but were playing what if..

really? The #5 pick and a shot at a potential all star for two role players/bench guys? I'd have to answer with a resounding NO...

 

[sidney]

Er no -- he's not going to give us all his picks for #5. But a straight #5/contracts for Jefferson deal remains one of those on paper possibilities.

probably not...unless Kahn can't pass on Cousins at 4 and falls in love with Johnson and believes he is a sure bet all star (while we do not).

Flip this around - would we be willing to trade the farm to Philly for the #2 pick (take Brand, trade Casspi/JT)? Probably not, but if we could walk away from the draft with Turner and Cousins believing we just picked up two future stars to pair with Tyreke it is quite tempting. Elite talent > multiple mid-late round picks. Just depends on how high you value the elite guy

 

[Kingster]

Since were playing what if. If either Cousins or Favors were to be sitting on the board at 5, would you trade that pick to the Suns for Robin Lopez with possibly Goran Dragic thrown in? I realize that its not likely that Favors would be there, but were playing what if..

Hell, yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But I don't think the Suns do that.

 

[Kingster]

I would have to say no. Robin is a solid player, and I actually really like Dragic, but you don't trade a potential star for a couple role players. Favors has too much upside. And he fits perfectly with this team.

Both of those guys have starter potential. Robin is showing some amazing progress in his offensive game in his second year. So here's a player in Robin that is definitely better defensively than Cousins and is really starting to make his presence felt offensively just out of the blocks. He's got no risks to him on the emotional/mental front. He's a tough player. With Cousins you have a lot more unknowns. I'd take Robin for Cousins straight up. Dragic is a wild card. He's got talent. That's why the Suns won't do it.

 

[bajaden]

No.

Now thats what I was looking for. A concise and indepth answer. And succinct as well...

I would love to aquire Lopez, but I don't think I would give number 5 if either Favors or Cousins were available. But if both were off the board, I'd think about it.

 

[mac]

Now thats what I was looking for. A concise and indepth answer. And succinct as well...

I would love to aquire Lopez, but I don't think I would give number 5 if either Favors or Cousins were available. But if both were off the board, I'd think about it.

Not if we only get Lopez and Dragic though. Both Favors and Cousins are likely to be way better than Robin Lopez, and Dragic does not impress me. He just comes across as a PG version of Kevin Martin to me, always just looking to draw fouls and chuck up shots.

 

[Nighthawk1]

#5 for Andre Blatche and Javale McGee!

just kidding, even though I wouldn't mind having Blatche

 

[Telemachus]

Since were playing what if. If either Cousins or Favors were to be sitting on the board at 5, would you trade that pick to the Suns for Robin Lopez with possibly Goran Dragic thrown in? I realize that its not likely that Favors would be there, but were playing what if..

This would greatly depend on what you consider the potential of Lopez and Dragic to be. Robin Lopez has always been behind his brother on the offensive side of the court, but I seem to remember him being a better shot-blocker than his bother in college. I think he can potentially become a solid starting center (especially on defense) or a very good back up. I haven't watched Dragic play as much (or simply haven't paid attention to him), so I won't comment.

All that said, I think both Favors and Cousins have a brighter future than either of these players, so I wouldn't make that trade. However, if both Cousins and Favors are gone I would consider it. I think Lopez is potentially better than the other big men that would remain in the draft. I don't think the Suns would make that trade though.

 

[Entity]

#5 for Andre Blatche and Javale McGee!

just kidding, even though I wouldn't mind having Blatche

If cousins and favors are off the board yeah I would do that trade.

 

[Chupacabra]

#5 for Andre Blatche and Javale McGee!

just kidding, even though I wouldn't mind having Blatche

Count me in for that trade! Too bad Washington would never do it.

 

[Nighthawk1]

If cousins and favors are off the board yeah I would do that trade.

I don't think many here would, even though I probably would if as you say cousins and favors are off.. Blatche would give us a great big scorer and McGee would give us the young inside presence we want. It in combination with Landry, JT, Hawes we could have a pretty nice frontline...

We'd have a pretty young frontline, and still have a lot of cap space to attract players or sit until 2011..Plus assets still in tact

McGee/Hawes/JT
Blatche/Landry/JT
Casspi/Greene/Noci
Garcia/Beno/FA
Evans/<bledsoe>/FA

 

[Nighthawk1]

Count me in for that trade! Too bad Washington would never do it.

Who knows we have good trade rep with Washington on our side
a 2nd top 5 draft pick with Arenas and Wall... never know...

 

[Prince_XY]

What if the Kings went after a big like Brandon Haywood or Dalembert using the 5th pick as major piece of the deal? Our need is defense in the middle period. Getting another "giant upside rookie" slows down the rebuild anoeer 2 yr or more IMHO. A vet big starts right now and the kids core has the middle protected and someone else to get a double team.

Change the names to Oden or Thabeet, then I will be for letting go of that 5th pick. But gambling on the aging Haywood and Dalembert who's proven to be not so effective for several years now against the likes of Howard and Gasol/Bynum? Nope. I will pass and will prefer to gamble and wait for younger players to develop.