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You can't boo someone that saved the team from going to Seattle, you can be upset but booing a person/people that just saved your franchise really?
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Hey, if I could be there I'd light the mother****ers up. So you got my support. Have at 'em. Weasel and the Golden State loser both.
I said this a year ago, I say it again. Its not their franchise. It never was. Its your franchise. Your history. Your passion. These leeches are just the very temporary hired help. You don't like their work, you are perfectly within your rights to let them know about it. Looked at in a practical light, put enough pressure on them and maybe they panic into a facesaving Karl hire that would end their meddling.
Only rules I would recognize are don't go after Corbin or the players, who are just caught in the middle. Give Peja his cheer. Actually a gap in response between Peja and the current regime would be a nice message. And with Vivek himself, well, no round of applause from me but a decided lack of enthusiasm would probably be enough. He doesn't know what the hell he's doing.
I said this a year ago, I say it again. Its not their franchise. It never was. Its your franchise. Your history. Your passion. These leeches are just the very temporary hired help. You don't like their work, you are perfectly within your rights to let them know about it. Looked at in a practical light, put enough pressure on them and maybe they panic into a facesaving Karl hire that would end their meddling.
Only rules I would recognize are don't go after Corbin or the players, who are just caught in the middle. Give Peja his cheer. Actually a gap in response between Peja and the current regime would be a nice message. And with Vivek himself, well, no round of applause from me but a decided lack of enthusiasm would probably be enough. He doesn't know what the hell he's doing.
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Kingston Jamaica
Bench
Guys, this is how the NBA works. That's how it has been and that's how it will be in the future. Very similar to the Mark Jackson story with the Warriors. Malone is a classy guy compared to the ego driven Jackson, but when you don't get along with the FO, especially as a young coach, your job becomes shaky. The team needs to overcome this, not fall into a crisis because of keeping the situation heated. I think letting Malone go was a serious mistake, but it happened.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Oh, I think they precisely took into account this night, precisely because they knew that people would be muted and confused about what they were supposed to do. Do it on any normal night, and they knew what would happen. So they hid it. They don't care about Peja anyway. He's not a true retirement level guy. He's just a publicity stunt so they can say they retired one. Maybe Mullin likes a fellow shooter, who knows. But they don't know the guy or have any history with him. Its just PR. So burning a little of that to protect themselves form bad PR probably doesn't bother them in the least.
KingsFanGER
Starter
In another post was stated, that in European football the Fans are way more influencial than in the NBA. Well guess what - this is because the Fans find ways to voice their opinions outside of the social medias.
Booing, critical chants, critical signs, boycotts of games, sit-ins are pretty common. And while you can argue, that some things are over the edge, these things make sure, that Fans are heard.
I think it's OK to voice ones opinion AS long as it's nonviolent.
Booing, critical chants, critical signs, boycotts of games, sit-ins are pretty common. And while you can argue, that some things are over the edge, these things make sure, that Fans are heard.
I think it's OK to voice ones opinion AS long as it's nonviolent.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
This has class.
Alternatively, you could chant "slow it down" each time the team tried to run.
I think I agree with brick on this one, and I'm not a booing guy. Management needs to know they don't speak for the fans with this move. They need to hear that their vision is not our vision. By not letting them know how you feel you are complicity agreeing with what PDA (and to an extent, Vivek) has been saying. As has been famously said, "if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
Can we also move from the "they saved the team" narrative? We're all grateful for that, we are. However, this is a different situation. Just because your kid got an A on a paper doesn't mean you don't scold him when he deserves it.
And boy, do they deserve it. For firing Malone? Well probably not. For the way they did it? Absolutely. For consistently going behind his back to sabotage him (all these moves make sense now, right?), for hiding behind the "it is the will of the people" mantra.
This isn't about the players. It isn't about Corbin, who frankly needs our support more than anyone. It is about management, and boy do they need to know they messed up. Will it change the outcome? Probably not. Mullin will likely take over as coach after Corbin's lame duck period, and it'll get ugly. But if there's even a 1% chance that it lets the FO know they messed up big time, and they go for Karl (or equivalent) instead, then you have to take that chance.
I think I agree with brick on this one, and I'm not a booing guy. Management needs to know they don't speak for the fans with this move. They need to hear that their vision is not our vision. By not letting them know how you feel you are complicity agreeing with what PDA (and to an extent, Vivek) has been saying. As has been famously said, "if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
Can we also move from the "they saved the team" narrative? We're all grateful for that, we are. However, this is a different situation. Just because your kid got an A on a paper doesn't mean you don't scold him when he deserves it.
And boy, do they deserve it. For firing Malone? Well probably not. For the way they did it? Absolutely. For consistently going behind his back to sabotage him (all these moves make sense now, right?), for hiding behind the "it is the will of the people" mantra.
This isn't about the players. It isn't about Corbin, who frankly needs our support more than anyone. It is about management, and boy do they need to know they messed up. Will it change the outcome? Probably not. Mullin will likely take over as coach after Corbin's lame duck period, and it'll get ugly. But if there's even a 1% chance that it lets the FO know they messed up big time, and they go for Karl (or equivalent) instead, then you have to take that chance.
Chubbs
Starter
Not as far as you might think.
The Peja distraction is not an accident.
We are winning now. That's what you're missing, 11-13 vastly exceeds expectations.
We've had losing teams. This team, when healthy, was a winning team. Extremely short sighted move. And the front office made it pretty clear they don't care about winning either.
You're going to be very disappointed with what is about to happen. Malone's style may have been the only chance this poorly constructed team had to win.
In a month people will be begging to get Malone back. PDA made it crystal clear this isn't about wins losses but is about style.
You're going to be very disappointed I'm afraid.
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Chubbs
Starter
Thanks for saving me a bit of typing. I don't think for a second that the timing of this decision wasn't completely calculated. There's no chance that they fire him before the Rockets game, with the world watching us voice our protest. No chance that they even wait until after tonight to do it. We just heard D'Alessandro say, on Carmichael Dave's radio show, that they would have fired Malone, anyway, even if we were 16-9.
They knew that they were going to fire him, and they were counting on this 'ceremony' as cover. They were counting on people to say, "We can't boo tonight, it would ruin Peja's night!" That's exactly how you get away with something like this; the next time Kings Fans have a chance to congregate en masse, the story will be out of the news cycle.
There aren't many times that I wish I lived in California, but damned if this isn't one of those times. For one thing, I'm not burdened by the handicap of ever liking Stojakovic in the first place, and I've already stated my position on retiring his jersey, so I definitely wouldn't let that factor into my choice to express myself. Granted, there are some people whom would be against booing, no matter what, and that's cool, and that's their choice, and their prerogative. But, I bet you lunch, if they fired Malone on Friday, before the Pistons game, and not before "Peja's night," there wouldn't be half as many people in here saying, don't boo.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
Sports isn't about catering to the "feelings" of your GM or owner. Teams wouldn't be teams without a fanbase. This team isn't even here without us fans taking to the streets and making our voices heard through social media. It's our money which keeps arenas up and running, which pays salaries of everyone from players to FO personnel, it's our money and fandom which pays and markets the brand by buying bumper stickers, jerseys, shirts, jackets and so on. It's a partnership, not a one way street where as a fan you bend over and just take it from ownership and support whatever they do.
And when your ownership, or in regular life your boss, or a company/business you frequent makes s****y decisions, you have two recourses of action as a paying customer. One, take your money and go home. Spend it elsewhere. Two, voice your displeasure if you so choose. That's how life works.
Beyond that, the timing of this is calculated. It's a passive-aggressive attempt by our ownership and FO to weed out the response they damn well know they might get by hiding behind Peja's ceremony. Actually, I'd say any real die-hard Kings fan should take that as a huge slap in the face towards Peja and our golden era. It's not just an insult to us, here and now, it's an insult to Peja. Vivek/PDA are using him as a human shield to cover up their incompetence and following fan reaction. If that doesn't get you pissed off I don't know what will.
Again, I wouldn't take it out on Peja during his moment but every other part of the game is up for grabs. Classy has nothing to do with it. That's a cop-out. Making a stand and voicing your opinion throughout history has never been about whether it's classy behavior or not. If historically, before people stood up to incompetence, they worried first and foremost about whether their reaction would be classy or not, we'd see a lot less positive change throughout history. Some people are afraid to make a stand, and little change follows. Others will stand up for what they believe in, then deal with the reaction. It's the latter group which is revered throughout our history books, not those who took the less confrontational route and played it easy so feathers weren't ruffled.
And when your ownership, or in regular life your boss, or a company/business you frequent makes s****y decisions, you have two recourses of action as a paying customer. One, take your money and go home. Spend it elsewhere. Two, voice your displeasure if you so choose. That's how life works.
Beyond that, the timing of this is calculated. It's a passive-aggressive attempt by our ownership and FO to weed out the response they damn well know they might get by hiding behind Peja's ceremony. Actually, I'd say any real die-hard Kings fan should take that as a huge slap in the face towards Peja and our golden era. It's not just an insult to us, here and now, it's an insult to Peja. Vivek/PDA are using him as a human shield to cover up their incompetence and following fan reaction. If that doesn't get you pissed off I don't know what will.
Again, I wouldn't take it out on Peja during his moment but every other part of the game is up for grabs. Classy has nothing to do with it. That's a cop-out. Making a stand and voicing your opinion throughout history has never been about whether it's classy behavior or not. If historically, before people stood up to incompetence, they worried first and foremost about whether their reaction would be classy or not, we'd see a lot less positive change throughout history. Some people are afraid to make a stand, and little change follows. Others will stand up for what they believe in, then deal with the reaction. It's the latter group which is revered throughout our history books, not those who took the less confrontational route and played it easy so feathers weren't ruffled.
Iced Espresso
Starter
So they do the right thing and max Cousins, national media scoffs.
They do the right thing and trade for Gay, major media scoffs.
They let IT walk, media laughs
Sign Collison, told he was bench and not a capable starter
Fire Malone, hear bs rumors like do to Royce or playing 4-5.....
Um no thanks, I'm a little more patient than a toddler.
Did we just hose Adleman here or something?
They do the right thing and trade for Gay, major media scoffs.
They let IT walk, media laughs
Sign Collison, told he was bench and not a capable starter
Fire Malone, hear bs rumors like do to Royce or playing 4-5.....
Um no thanks, I'm a little more patient than a toddler.
Did we just hose Adleman here or something?
Iced Espresso
Starter
Why not wait to fire him before a road trip?
Dime Dropper
All-Star
Except literally none of those things happened. Welcome to the board, though, PDA.
Way to pat yourself on the back for making blatantly obvious choices and then re-writing history.
PurpleHaze
All-Star
Yes, Kings fans are allowed to boo to make signs to voice ***** in any way they reasonably please
macadocious
Starter
I find that I am in a weird conundrum when I read your posts, I usually agree with a good portion of them, but they always come off so negative. Who is it you exactly have liked on the Kings?
D13
Bench
I don't think it's cool to boo. Seriously lets stay classy and not blast an owner that wants the team to be a winner... and not just win a couple extra games here and there to mediocrity. You can't question ownerships commitment.
Have you guys looked at the west standings lately? We were on a real downward spiral off the cliff. You have teams starting to pick it up.
Malone showed he can't win without Cousins.. even the games we had a big lead at some point. Ty Corbin was missing too... maybe that said something about Malones capability... what do we need him for maybe management were thinking?
Malone is gone, lets wait and see what they have in store. It sounds like they are willing to do what must be done to be good.
Have you guys looked at the west standings lately? We were on a real downward spiral off the cliff. You have teams starting to pick it up.
Malone showed he can't win without Cousins.. even the games we had a big lead at some point. Ty Corbin was missing too... maybe that said something about Malones capability... what do we need him for maybe management were thinking?
Malone is gone, lets wait and see what they have in store. It sounds like they are willing to do what must be done to be good.
Iced Espresso
Starter
Short memory, people thought Cousins would never be able to be a franchise player, people thought Rudy's game was horrendous, instead of how he was being used. People thought IT not staying was a huge mistake, look at Phoenix chemistry right now.
Now, I've got to beg to differ with this, as well as your previous comment about what "real" Kings Fans should consider a slap in the face. Such comments approach the 'No True Scotsman' fallacy, just as much as earlier comments in the thread about how Kings Fans should be 'too classy'. Those are the sort of labels that don't lead anywhere positive, and that we all should be trying to avoid.
Without directly injecting politics into the conversation, it's not really hard to see how it can draw parallels. Sometimes when you don't make a stand for or against something, it's not because you're afraid to; sometimes, it's just not what you stand for.
If it were me, I would boo loudly, and until my voice gave out, and dare another fan to ask me to stop, but it's not a value judgment on the people who won't.
Chubbs
Starter
Classy, but pointless.
Malone is gone. If you wanted to support him, last week would have been the time.
Cause he's an owner who wants flash over substance, and style over wins. Malone was gone at 16-9 too, do you get that? That's direct quote from PDA.
Malone was the right coach finally building this team's identity.
And they're tearing it down. Why can't people see that?
Dime Dropper
All-Star
No, not short memory. I'd say about 95% of people here wanted Cousins signed to a max deal. A vast, vast majority knew he would be a franchise player. He's not even playing that much better this year than he did last. The numbers are almost identical.
Rudy's game in Toronto was awful. Here he played the best ball of his career and when he was re-signed to a cheaper deal it was pretty much unanimous that it was the right decision. Again, you're talking complete nonsense.
IT - the vast majority of the board wanted him gone. You joined this forum in October, maybe you missed the near party that happened when IT wasn't re-signed. There are three posters here that wanted IT re-signed, the vast majority of the rest were glad to see the back of him.
You're completely re-writing history, but it's clear you're living in your own little world, so have at it. Don't expect other people to let PDA off lightly with his delusions of grandeur, however.
Iced Espresso
Starter
This board does not = national media bias, which once again is stating how terrible Vivek's choices are.
I've lurked here for years, I've been part of other forums.
The spin on Cousins, Rudy, Thomas was real, there's articles all over on how bad those decisions were.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
All those decisions were blatantly obvious ones for Kings fans, who know much more about this team than the national media. Kings fans agreed with those decisions - they clearly don't agree with this. PDA drawing parallels between the various decisions is insincere and/or deluded.
Normally I would agree with the whole patient thing, but this FO just admitted Malone's firing had nothing to do with wins and losses. They care more about style than results. They want to emulate a franchise that had no success with the run 'n gun style and recently abandoned it for more a traditional system.
Pete goes on about how Malone wasn't using this team effectively blah blah blah. Who puts together a run and gun team that can't shoot a lick?
What gives you the impression that general managers get 'a few weeks' off in the middle of the NBA season to disappear? We play the day after Christmas, IIRC, and I also think we play on New Year's Day. This and the All-Star break is pretty much the only time they had between now and April to do this, where they can hide behind their actions.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Would have loved to. Unfortunately the iron was hot with Cuz out, and Cuz was about to return. And the very thing that should have made this the most fun time to be a Kings fan in a decade -- 6 weeks with only one short roadtrip around New Years -- mean that PDA would never have a chance so good as the one he had now to get away with it. Except he didn't. Its blown up in our faces in a big way, and I thoroughly intend to keep his little rat feet to the flames for as long as possible.
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