HereWeBoogie
Hall of Famer
can't expect Outlaw to guard Randolph for that long. not fair to him. and when the game got close, Salmons and Thornton bricked away our chance of winning, when they should have been on the bench
[Game] Kings v. Grizzlies, 11/17/13
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MassachusettsKingsFan
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What a strange game.
upinsmoke
All-Star
Yea it is at remember the west is brutal right now and we have no choice but to be patient and put ourselves in a position to compete in down the road.
Circa_1985_Fan
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The big picture can be a hard pill to swallow for the 'win now' fan base.
enigma99a
Bench
And they haven't even started a road trip yet... They want to sell tickets, but unless they start making some moves the Kings will have a hard time selling tickets... Being a fan is hard sometimes when they are not even competitive. This new ownership group needs to spend some $$ and get some talent.
They sat for a long time. I felt the message was sent. At a certain point, the message goes from "I am going to go with guys who will play the way we need to play to win and you have to go along with that." to "I am just going to lose the game to say you weren't playing with energy."
HereWeBoogie
Hall of Famer
at least Cousins and one of either Vasquez or McLemore.
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storisaurus
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As far as teaching the team a lesson, they aren't kindergartners. They are grown men and don't care about a lesson; most of this team cares about getting their shots up and cashing those checks. They won't change. Blow the whole thing up, there are no untouchables on this team; including Cousins. If the right deal came along such as, say, the #1 pick in the draft for Cousins...you do it and don't look back.
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KingMilz
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Hopefully better defense and shot selection
The "win now" crowd obviously doesn't have a clue.
I don't mean to be unusually harsh, but geez. We want a coach who will mold our team into a TEAM THAT HATES TO LOSE. Malone is showing that he's not afraid to take the bumps to be that coach. There's no guarantee at all the starters would have eked out a win had they been put back in, and doing so would have sent the wrong message to the guys who worked their arses off. The bench DESERVED to stay out there. THEY EARNED IT. The starters didn't.
That is arguably the dumbest thing you've said on the board, and considering some of your previous blatherings about Jimmer, that's saying something.
Just stop.
Not really. The bench played for about the final ~20 minutes of the game. Travis turned into a superhero and made it close for awhile.
HereWeBoogie
Hall of Famer
maybe Keith Smart wasn't that bad. the roster just stinks
And your point is? The message is "If you're going to play like crap, don't expect to get back into the game when the bench has saved your arse. Either give 100% all the time or ride the pine. You will not be rewarded for poor play by being allowed to come back in when you haven't earned it. The guys who earned it will finish out, win or lose. If that bothers you, THEN FREAKING TRY HARDER!"
My point is that:
1. If you are trying to establish a "hate to lose" mentality then you can't so obviously throw away a game by not making substiutions to match up against a guy (Randolph) who was abusing you down low. You can't refuse to make subs after you've already sent the message.
2. Sending a message is fine, but then you have to give your guys a chance at redemption. Let them come back and show that they want to win.
1. If you are trying to establish a "hate to lose" mentality then you can't so obviously throw away a game by not making substiutions to match up against a guy (Randolph) who was abusing you down low. You can't refuse to make subs after you've already sent the message.
2. Sending a message is fine, but then you have to give your guys a chance at redemption. Let them come back and show that they want to win.
You don't get it.
Reader's Digest version:
Starters sucked. Nobody could hit a jumper to save their lives. MT should be shot. Bench got us back but couldn't hold the lead. Starters were intentionally left on the bench for the rest of the game, as they should have been.
Their redemption can come with the next game. Let them prove they really want to be out there.
This is not the first time this has happened. Like he is saying in the post game......he's just trying to win a game.
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
Yeah...that's how the 80's & 90's(pre-98', of course)Kings got to be such stellar winners by doing that every year?? Blow it up...then when it doesn't work again...blow it up again...and again...and...well, you get the picture. I think you have to make trades to better the team...and I think the group of guys you DON'T trade on this team are your rock in Cousins, IT, Saclemore, Vasquez, and my view on Patterson is still up in the air, he's got a chance to fit into Malone's system once he gets healthy and we get a couple more pieces to enhance ball movement and not ball hogging. That is your core for the future. I think the guys you CAN trade that can bring you something of value are Thornton, Jimmer, Salmons(expiring), JT.
HereWeBoogie
Hall of Famer
so Malone says he was trying to win, not send a message. so now he looks even worse for not bringing at least Cousins back in when the game got close.
upinsmoke
All-Star
Whoever is in the "Win Now" fan base is delusional because believe me this a work in progress. They played with some grit tonight but lets face it Memphis has recently been a power house and Gasol is the best C in the league as of right now.
I know it's about winning, but when you don't make a sub to try to win then the players won't buy the "winning" message. Heck, it didn't even need to be Cousins that was put back in. You could throw Chuck Hayes at Randolph by subbing him in for Salmons.
FYI - storisaurus: resident Jimmermaniac.
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
Well...he probably WANTED to say something else, but that was the politically correct thing...even if it WAS the truth.
It's just talk. He doesn't keep Hamady in over Cousins if he was trying to win.
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