Luka Doncic - performance discussion

Who's the last all star rookie?
Blake Griffin 2011 (technically 2nd year but sat out 1st year due to injury, NBA still considered him rookie a la Ben Simmons last year)

Yao Ming 2003- got the vote over Shaq, there are a few people in China that may have gotten him in :D

Tim Duncan 1998
Grant Hill 1995
Shaq 1993
Dikembe Mutombo 1992

Luka would’ve been in if not for the changes in voting. Previously fan vote only picked starters. Luka will have to be picked by coaches to make it now as a reserve. In a loaded WC, not sure it’s going to happen.
 
Blake Griffin 2011 (technically 2nd year but sat out 1st year due to injury, NBA still considered him rookie a la Ben Simmons last year)

Yao Ming 2003- got the vote over Shaq, there are a few people in China that may have gotten him in :D

Tim Duncan 1998
Grant Hill 1995
Shaq 1993
Dikembe Mutombo 1992

Luka would’ve been in if not for the changes in voting. Previously fan vote only picked starters. Luka will have to be picked by coaches to make it now as a reserve. In a loaded WC, not sure it’s going to happen.
The All-Star game was in LA in 2011 too which helped push Blake in there as a reserve. This year is in Charlotte so Kemba would have been picked by the coaches if he hadn't already made it in as a starter.

For West reserves, Anthony Davis is in. Damian Lillard should be. Jokic should be. Westbrook probably will be even though his shooting splits are atrocious. That leaves 3 spots. One of them goes to a Spur (DeRozan/Aldridge). They could go by record and reward the Clippers (Harris) and Jazz (Gobert/Mitchell) with the last two. Fox has cooled off in January but Buddy Hield still has a shot if we stay over .500. Karl-Anthony Towns could get in despite the losing record with his stats. I think Doncic is as worthy of a reserve spot as any of them and he's already the people's champ which should count for something. Coaches tend to go with established players over young guys though.
 
None of those other guys would “fit” like Marvin Bagley so it doesn’t matter.
Also let's not forget about Tyreke. Obviously the same thing that happened to Tyreke is going to happen to Luka.........lol

Funny how people that keep running with this angle forget that Tyreke's game was based almost entirely on athleticism and getting to the basket. Tyreke's weaknesses were shooting and court vision. Luka has neither of those problems.
 
Also let's not forget about Tyreke. Obviously the same thing that happened to Tyreke is going to happen to Luka.........lol

Funny how people that keep running with this angle forget that Tyreke's game was based almost entirely on athleticism and getting to the basket. Tyreke's weaknesses were shooting and court vision. Luka has neither of those problems.
They’re both going to average 20:5:5 their rookie years so they’re essentially the same player, right?
 

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I'm not sure that tanking is going to sit well with that boy.
Nor should it...ever. Athletes with those kinds of skills do not ever want to have to sit on the sidelines and watch while lesser players are on the court just to improve draft position. Any player that says he's okay with it is a liar.
 
Starting to become pretty apparent that Luka is not going to hit any major rookie wall. He is cementing his status as an up and coming superstar in this league. To argue otherwise at this point is just foolish. Does anybody honestly believe this guy Luka is going to take a big step back? That's just not going to happen.

He's already an all star caliber player with probably the greatest clutch/closer ability ever for a 19 year old rookie. The stat lines he is putting up as a 19 year old is remarkable.

Talk about his "ceiling" is ridiculous because he doesn't need to get that much better......he's already there. Luka's ceiling and future over the next few years consists mostly of fine tuning his existing game and his body. That means improving his field goal percentage by a few percentage points, getting his 3 point % up to around 39-40%, lowering his turnovers, learning how to play better defense, and learning how to better draw fouls. These are all easily attainable incremental improvements for a player with his skill and intelligence.

I like Bagley a lot and his skill-set/fit is great for the Kings. At this point what's done is done and the Kings have their guy and the Mavericks have they're guy. No amount of complaining from the pro Luka guys like myself is going to turn back time and have Vlade redraft Luka onto the Kings. Maybe Vlade should have drafted him maybe he shouldn't. Normally Bagley would have been a great #2 pick based on what he is showing now. In the end that's the goal in any draft to get a super player, which the Kings certainly did.

Likewise no amount of spin deflection, Tyreke comparisons, and ceiling/wall talk from the anti Luka posters is going to stop him from becoming a superstar. You can wish and hope all you want (and sink your basketball knowledge reputations around here in the process) but he is a star and will be a superstar whether you like it or not. You can't stop it from happening so why refuse to acknowledge the obvious? You just better hope the Kings can stop Luka in a few years when both teams are really good and these games count for something in May.

Best case scenario going forward is that the Kings and Mavericks are both Western Conference power house rivals in a few years just like in the early 2000s.
 
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^^ great post.

I love Bagley. I really do. Any other year he would have been a phenomenal pick, and he’s solidly my #2. But this Luka guy was right there, and it’s always going to sting.

... unless Bagley wins us a title. So we’ll continue that waiting game!
 
Starting to become pretty apparent that Luka is not going to hit any major rookie wall. He is cementing his status as an up and coming superstar in this league. To argue otherwise at this point is just foolish. Does anybody honestly believe this guy Luka is going to take a big step back? That's just not going to happen.

He's already an all star caliber player with probably the greatest clutch/closer ability ever for a 19 year old rookie. The stat lines he is putting up as a 19 year old is remarkable.

Talk about his "ceiling" is ridiculous because he doesn't need to get that much better......he's already there. Luka's ceiling and future over the next few years consists mostly of fine tuning his existing game and his body. That means improving his field goal percentage by a few percentage points, getting his 3 point % up to around 39-40%, lowering his turnovers, learning how to play better defense, and learning how to better draw fouls. These are all easily attainable incremental improvements for a player with his skill and intelligence.

I like Bagley a lot and his skill-set/fit is great for the Kings. At this point what's done is done and the Kings have their guy and the Mavericks have they're guy. No amount of complaining from the pro Luka guys like myself is going to turn back time and have Vlade redraft Luka onto the Kings. Maybe Vlade should have drafted him maybe he shouldn't. Normally Bagley would have been a great #2 pick based on what he is showing now. In the end that's the goal in any draft to get a super player, which the Kings certainly did.

Likewise no amount of spin deflection, Tyreke comparisons, and ceiling/wall talk from the anti Luka posters is going to stop him from becoming a superstar. You can wish and hope all you want (and sink your basketball knowledge reputations around here in the process) but he is a star and will be a superstar whether you like it or not. You can't stop it from happening so why refuse to acknowledge the obvious? You just better hope the Kings can stop Luka in a few years when both teams are really good and these games count for something in May.

Best case scenario going forward is that the Kings and Mavericks are both Western Conference power house rivals in a few years just like in the early 2000s.
Speaking of ceiling on realgm someone made a great point.

People talking about t ceilings being higher but how many players actually reach there ceilings. Lukas floor right now is higher than most people will reach