Looks like PDA is staying (split)

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Carmichael Dave ‏@CarmichaelDave 8m8 minutes ago
Lots of new stuff at the game tonight. One thing becoming clear: all signs now pointing to PDA returning next season. George Karl very key.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Carmichael Dave ‏@CarmichaelDave
Lots of new stuff at the game tonight. One thing becoming clear: all signs now pointing to PDA returning next season. George Karl very key.

another thing becoming clear is the likelihood of me watching Kings games next season keeps getting lower

 

[Hoovtrain]

Carmichael Dave ‏@CarmichaelDave 8m8 minutes ago
Lots of new stuff at the game tonight. One thing becoming clear: all signs now pointing to PDA returning next season. George Karl very key.

Didn't Dave just say as recently as a week ago that PD was as good as gone? Whatever. I honestly don't even care anymore.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Didn't Dave just say as recently as a week ago that PD was as good as gone? Whatever. I honestly don't even care anymore.

yes he did. Front office is a damn circus.

guess Pete won't be taking the blame for this dumpster fire season, so who is? Vivek?

 

[Siranthony]

Didn't Dave just say as recently as a week ago that PD was as good as gone? Whatever. I honestly don't even care anymore.

Seriously. What makes Carmichael Dave the guy with the inside scoop on the kings? Do they really tell him who is getting fired and when?

Actually, I'm pretty sure that Cousins is trolling his followers at this point.

This.

 

[Hadlowe]

Carmichael Dave ‏@CarmichaelDave 8m8 minutes ago
Lots of new stuff at the game tonight. One thing becoming clear: all signs now pointing to PDA returning next season. George Karl very key.

I think this is probably the best outcome, though I would prefer a shared GM office similar to what the Bulls have but less dysfunctional. PDA for the networking, cap work, and being a lightning rod for fan anger. Vlade for talent evaluation and working with Karl to build a coherent roster strategy.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Carmichael Dave ‏@CarmichaelDave
Lots of new stuff at the game tonight. One thing becoming clear: all signs now pointing to PDA returning next season. George Karl very key.

reunited... and it feels sooo gooood

put it in the books. gerbil will justify the 1st rd pick his year for ty freaking lawson. please excuse me while i spit out the throw up in my mouth

 

[Chubbs]

Karl's ego is enormous.

He just wants to be sure we all know it's all about him, and not any particular player. Just as it was all about him as he stabbed a brother in the nba coaching ranks in the back in Corbin as he publicly campaigned for a job that was NOT available. Supposedly.

Remember this is a guy who got coach of the year and got promptly fired. There's a reason for that.

Expect more where this came from. Especially now that apparently Karl talked Vivek into keeping PDA, which can't be something Vlade wanted. Karl doesn't have long, 2 years and then a possible strike. There are no lines he won't cross to get immediate success. We knew that going in.

The circus continues. It's here to stay folks. A bad owner can ruin anything. Don't underestimate that fact.

 

[Tetsujin]

Considering his considerable knack for self-preservation and being public enemy number one among Kings fans everywhere, maybe we should start calling PDA "The Cockroach".

 

[Larry David]

reunited... and it feels sooo gooood

put it in the books. gerbil will justify the 1st rd pick his year for ty freaking lawson. please excuse me while i spit out the throw up in my mouth

It appears the Kings will both:

(1) take a look at whether DMC is so unhappy / certain to move in a few years / there is a godfather offer out there for DMC that it makes any sense to move him;

(2) consider trading our first round pick to cash out that value and get good players now (which would make sense if you were trying to make the playoffs to get DMC to stay, but not if we are starting over yet again by moving DMC.)

Those are two huge forks in the road. I hope I'm wrong about the keystone cops running this team.

 

[jcwkings]

reunited... and it feels sooo gooood

put it in the books. gerbil will justify the 1st rd pick his year for ty freaking lawson. please excuse me while i spit out the throw up in my mouth

That is a fair deal, we HAVE to win next year. Karl is not a long term coach, Gay and Cousins are 2 years away from being able to walk, ditto Collison, new arena. The draft is a crapshoot, look at Nik, Ben, Jimmer, T Rob as examples. If we can pry Lawson and Chandler from them for a first round pick plus a combination of Landry, Ben, Nik, Collison, Ray Mac. It's a fair trade in terms of what each club is trying to do.

 

[rhythmless]

Considering his considerable knack for self-preservation and being public enemy number one among Kings fans everywhere, maybe we should start calling PDA "The Cockroach".

Everyone is acting within reason of their given situation. The guy ultimately responsible for making this pile of poo and having everyone bathe in it is vivek. If you want things to change you have to cut off the head of the snake. Too bad it will never happen.

 

[jdbraver]

Sweet mother of god.

This is what happens when you have no plan. Just throw pieces in and realize you come up short. Then make changes and realize you still need those pieces. Great way to build teamwork and fan support. Ugh.

 

[Chubbs]

Considering his considerable knack for self-preservation and being public enemy number one among Kings fans everywhere, maybe we should start calling PDA "The Cockroach".

I just went there in another post.

The dude is going to survive nuclear winter.

In this King's Game of Thrones scenario (currently rubbed out are Mullin and Malone), smart money is on Karl winning.

But PDA might be out playing all of them.

 

[jdbraver]

I just went there in another post.

The dude is going to survive nuclear winter.

In this King's Game of Thrones scenario (currently rubbed out are Mullin and Malone), smart money is on Karl winning.

But PDA might be out playing all of them.

At this point the blame solely resides w/ Vivek. How can anyone operate effectively under such instability? Lots of blame on PDA, but we have no idea where his authority resides. Another interesting guess but perhaps Cuz is mad that PDA is being retained.

 

[rainmaker]

From Dave:

With all the chaos and rumor going on lately, the one thing that seemed certain was the imminent departure of embattled GM Pete. When Vlade Divac came on the scene, and it was promptly made clear that HE was in charge, the proverbial writing seemed to be on the wall.

Not so fast.

Apparently one of the powers that be has made it clear that he wants PDA back, and the fact that its George Karl as that power makes all the difference in the world.

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2015/04/14/kings-notes-strange-winds-blowing/


Yet more evidence our FO is fractured and we've got sides working against one another, and this is after Mullin is gone.

 

[Padrino]

Karl's ego is enormous.

He just wants to be sure we all know it's all about him, and not any particular player. Just as it was all about him as he stabbed a brother in the nba coaching ranks in the back in Corbin as he publicly campaigned for a job that was NOT available. Supposedly.

Remember this is a guy who got coach of the year and got promptly fired. There's a reason for that.

Expect more where this came from. Especially now that apparently Karl talked Vivek into keeping PDA, which can't be something Vlade wanted. Karl doesn't have long, 2 years and then a possible strike. There are no lines he won't cross to get immediate success. We knew that going in.

The circus continues. It's here to stay folks. A bad owner can ruin anything. Don't underestimate that fact.

i think this is probably the closest to the truth. i can't imagine that the kings would be foolish enough to trade cousins without a stern demand from cousins to do so. but george karl has long been an egoist who tries to stamp his personality on a franchise, and saying that nobody is untradeable strikes me as less a shot across the bow of demarcus cousins' growing frustrations, and more a simple flexing of karl's HoF-level muscle. that said, it's not likely to go over well with demarcus, who has surely had enough of listening to his coaches wax cryptically through the media. what made cousins' relationship with mike malone so special was the absence of such behavior; it was respectful, symbiotic, and focused on a singular goal...

as for PDA, i've been skeptical of the rumblings of his ouster for weeks, primarily because there seemed to be little logic to such a firing, given karl's presence. with mullin out and vlade in, i can't imagine much has changed for karl; he's still gonna want a guy in the front office whom he trusts and feels is on the same page. in a front office capacity, vlade represents a big "?" for everybody, and karl surely appreciates the existing relationship he has with d'alessandro. that familiarity represents an alliance formed well before either arrived in sacramento, and, in my opinion, could very well represent yet another factional split in what appears to be a pattern of dysfunction within the halls of kings' management...

 

[Larry David]

We may not have achieved positionless basketball, but we've now got rudderless basketball team.

 

[Larry David]

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2015/04/14/kings-notes-strange-winds-blowing/

Dave has weighed in and shared.

To me, two things jump off the page from this short story from a guy with a ton of access to the right people and trying to spit truth when he speaks publicly.

I. Head man is still TBA.

The front office hierarchy appears to be:

“Unnamed and still to come President of Basketball Operations

Vlade Divac

Pete D’Alessandro

Mike Bratz

Dean Oliver”

Karl’s input is also clearly included. Maybe they are just going to give him both jobs and put his name at the top. Maybe he’s “That One Guy in the Backgroud” and that’s not a reference to Vivek.” But he’s in there.

Regardless, I’m just floored that for the five jobs listed above Vivek is going to: (1) hire the 4 subordinate positions for the position of President of Basketball Operations; and then later (2) get a qualified and competent candidate to sign on the dotted line with the conditions of: (a) word has it, this is a bottom 5-10 owner in the league because he’s trying to rush the process and prides himself on being a meddling irritant; (b) you have to deal with DMC’s impending walk year and/or potential push to leave town in the next 3-24 months; and (c) we’ve already hired your key staff for you. Wow, just wow wow wow. That does not happen anywhere else. This is so strange. Who is taking that job?

II. Looming Karl and DMC power struggle

Dave admits that DMC is unhappy and then throws out, “George Karl will need to decide if he wants to work things out with his star big man, or move on down the road.”

No, no, no, no. I think the fair implication here is that Dave means if Karl and DMC can’t work things out, Karl will push the Kings to expedite DMC’s departure by making a trade to get max value now while his value is high. That cannot be an option.

I’m not blaming Dave for saying this. I think his story accurately reflects where our team is at based upon their behavior and comments and the chatter over the past two weeks. But this is flat out insane at this point.

If during the next 18 months Karl decides he can’t work things out with DMC, it is Karl – not DMC – that goes. That should not be debatable. For the next 18 months, we keep trying to put pieces around DMC to make him want to stay (under the condition that it also has to make some sense long term, because he’s probably a better bet to go than stay at this point and I’d like to see the Kings make the playoffs before 2020.)

 

[kingsboi]

well the fact that there is speculation about Karl and DMC not coinciding is alarming enough...not to even begin mentioning trading a once in a generation big man, for whatever reason you would do that is beyond me...but it's the Kings so nothing is a surprise to me anymore to be honest.

 

[kingsboi]

how unfortunate for us

 

[Kingster]

Karl's ego is enormous. Remember this is a guy who got coach of the year and got promptly fired. There's a reason for that.

Yeah, the reason is that Denver owner is a friggin idiot. Not only did he fire his HOFer coach, he fired his GM who promptly went to Toronto to be GM of the Year.

 

[Kingster]

The most important thing to do in the offseason for this basketball team going forward is to clean up this organizational mess and make sure there is a clear hierarchy and that the people in that hierarchy are very good at what they do. The personnel on the team are subordinate in importance to the organization in the FO. If you don't get organizational excellence, you're never ever going to get a good basketball team on the floor.

 

[IfAt1st]

How could Vivek have possibly succeeded in business with this horrendous of leadership and coalition-building?

I don't care if his business was the president of a PTA - NO organization can be successful with this lack of leadership and teambuilding.

 

[Gary]

I can't believe people are already jumping on Karl. lol...

TDOS arrived way early this year.

 

[SacTownKid]

I'm not so against Pete staying myself. He's not the guy on top anymore and it should be noted that although he was new to being the man in charge he has a history of being a part of a successful front office. Hopefully this transition allows PDA to be put in a position to show what he can do to help the franchise moving forward like in the area of cap structuring, dealing with agents, etc.

 

[Larry David]

Gary, I'm not jumping on Karl. Dave has reported a Karl and DMC conflict is coming to a head soon and DMC might leave town faster because of that conflict. I think that's insane. You don't keep a good 63 year old coach over a 24 year old franchise center.

 

[hrdboild]

I don't think it's fair to jump to conclusions. Remember how the intentional leaks kept trying to paint DeMarcus as the impediment to George Karl being hired? I wouldn't assume that anything we're being fed is accurate unless it comes directly from one of the players at this point. The problem with retaining PDA in a diminished capacity is that it gets confusing who is actually in charge of the future of this team and whether they have 100% support from the rest of the staff. If somebody in the front office wanted PDA gone and he's staying anyway, regardless of the reason, it looks like we're heading toward the exact same situation which got Malone fired -- two competing factions in the same front office with differing ideologies.

George Karl has proven that he's a fine coach. I'm less comfortable with him acting as defacto GM, especially if it means overpaying for his favorite veterans. Ty Lawson is going to be a free agent in 2 years. We have Collison signed for 2 more years and he's playing well. If Karl wants Lawson no matter what, get him in 2 years when he won't cost us a top 10 pick. It makes me nervous that we're going into another draft and another important off-season (they're all important) without a clear idea of who is making the decisions. We can't afford to be making personnel decisions that contradict themselves and the only way that doesn't happen is if there's one person steering the ship.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

I don't think it's fair to jump to conclusions. Remember how the intentional leaks kept trying to paint DeMarcus as the impediment to George Karl being hired? I wouldn't assume that anything we're being fed is accurate unless it comes directly from one of the players at this point. The problem with retaining PDA in a diminished capacity is that it gets confusing who is actually in charge of the future of this team and whether they have 100% support from the rest of the staff. If somebody in the front office wanted PDA gone and he's staying anyway, regardless of the reason, it looks like we're heading toward the exact same situation which got Malone fired -- two competing factions in the same front office with differing ideologies.

George Karl has proven that he's a fine coach. I'm less comfortable with him acting as defacto GM, especially if it means overpaying for his favorite veterans. Ty Lawson is going to be a free agent in 2 years. We have Collison signed for 2 more years and he's playing well. If Karl wants Lawson no matter what, get him in 2 years when he won't cost us a top 10 pick. It makes me nervous that we're going into another draft and another important off-season (they're all important) without a clear idea of who is making the decisions. We can't afford to be making personnel decisions that contradict themselves and the only way that doesn't happen is if there's one person steering the ship.

anybody wanna wager we are going to go for shooting again in the draft? can't wait for grantland to come again!!

 

[fansinceday1]

Gary, I'm not jumping on Karl. Dave has reported a Karl and DMC conflict is coming to a head soon and DMC might leave town faster because of that conflict. I think that's insane. You don't keep a good 63 year old coach over a 24 year old franchise center.

This seems like common sense.
Unfortunately id bet anyone here Karl wins this fight. If Karl wants boogie gone then he's as good as gone.