Let's play the elimination game...

Gary

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What do the teams ahead of us need?

Lets say the draft is pretty much what it's supposed to be, and the teams pick based on needs.

Picks 1 and 2 will be Oden and Durant. This is for sure....
Lets just say it's Memphis and Boston.

The otehr teams ahead of us are Milwaukee, Phoenix, Seattle, Portland, Minnesota, Charlotte, and Chicago.

Below I will list each team ahead of us, and what they are most needing.

Milwaukee needs a PF: Jianlian, Noah, Horford, Wright
Phoenix needs a PF: Jianlian, Noah, Horford, Wright
Seattle needs a C/PF: Jianlian, Noah, Horford, Wright, Hibbert
Portland needs a SF: Green, Brewer, Wright, Young
Minnesota needs a PG/C: Hibbert, Law, Conley
Charlotte needs a C: Hibbert, Jianlian, Noah, Horford, Wright
Chicago needs a PF: Jianlian, Noah, Horford, Wright


OK Basically checking out the most glaring needs of each team we can come to the conclusion that Milwaukee is going to pick a PF. Phoenix is going to pick a PF. Seattle may pick Hibbert if they feel that Wilcox is their PF of the future. Portland will be the first team to pick a SF (outside of Durant). Minnesota will pick Hibbert, and if Hbbert isn;t there than they might trade down. If the trading down doesnt work than they will pick the best available PF. Charlotte wants Hibbert, but will probally end up taking a PF because Hibbert might not be available. Chicago needs a PF as well to replace PJ Brown.

This will leave 0 pf available for Sac (top 4 PF imo is what I mean)... We will probally end up taking best available again which will be a 6'8 205lbs SF...

I will update this thread when the official order comes out, but I can't see a top 4 PF fall to us.

My mock draft;
1. Memphis - Oden
2. Boston - Durant
3. Milwaukee - Horford
4. Phoenix - Wright
5. Seattle - Jianlian
6. Portland - Brewer
7. Minnesota - Hibbert (might draft Noah, than trade down to a team that drafts Law/Conley)
8. Charlotte - Noah (Hibbert if Minnesota takes Noah)
9. Chicago - Conley??? only SF/PG left and don't need either one really... Trade?
10. Sacramento - Let's hope Sacramento isn't at this spot.:mad:

What do you all think? I have too much time on my hands eh? :D
 
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Gary said:
What do the teams ahead of us need?

Lets say the draft is pretty much what it's supposed to be, and the teams pick based on needs.

Picks 1 and 2 will be Oden and Durant. This is for sure....
Lets just say it's Memphis and Boston.

The otehr teams ahead of us are Milwaukee, Phoenix, Seattle, Portland, Minnesota, Charlotte, and Chicago.

Below I will list each team ahead of us, and what they are most needing.

Milwaukee needs a PF: Jianlian, Noah, Horford, Wright
Phoenix needs a PF: Jianlian, Noah, Horford, Wright
Seattle needs a C/PF: Jianlian, Noah, Horford, Wright, Hibbert
Portland needs a SF: Green, Brewer, Wright, Young
Minnesota needs a PG/C: Hibbert, Law, Conley
Charlotte needs a C: Hibbert, Jianlian, Noah, Horford, Wright
Chicago needs a PF: Jianlian, Noah, Horford, Wright


OK Basically checking out the most glaring needs of each team we can come to the conclusion that Milwaukee is going to pick a PF. Phoenix is going to pick a PF. Seattle may pick Hibbert if they feel that Wilcox is their PF of the future. Portland will be the first team to pick a SF (outside of Durant). Minnesota will pick Hibbert, and if Hbbert isn;t there than they might trade down. If the trading down doesnt work than they will pick the best available PF. Charlotte wants Hibbert, but will probally end up taking a PF because Hibbert might not be available. Chicago needs a PF as well to replace PJ Brown.

This will leave 0 pf available for Sac (top 4 PF imo is what I mean)... We will probally end up taking best available again which will be a 6'8 205lbs SF...

I will update this thread when the official order comes out, but I can't see a top 4 PF fall to us.

My mock draft;
1. Memphis - Oden
2. Boston - Durant
3. Milwaukee - Horford
4. Phoenix - Wright
5. Seattle - Jianlian
6. Portland - Brewer
7. Minnesota - Hibbert (might draft Noah, than trade down to a team that drafts Law/Conley)
8. Charlotte - Noah (Hibbert if Minnesota takes Noah)
9. Chicago - Conley??? only SF/PG left and don't need either one really... Trade?
10. Sacramento - Let's hope Sacramento isn't at this spot.:mad:

What do you all think? I have too much time on my hands eh? :D
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I'd think Julian Wright goes ahead of 10, probably to Portland or Chicago.
 
Chicago DEFINITELY takes Spencer Hawes. It's a perfect fit for their system and they have the guys to make up for any defensive or rebounding deficiencies
 
If that's how the board looks I think Petrie goes with Jeff Green. Of course, so would I. More intangibles than the only other guy I would consider, Julian Wright.
 
Smills91 said:
I'd think Julian Wright goes ahead of 10, probably to Portland or Chicago.
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Don't know man. From everything I have been reading Wright might drop, and Brewer might crack the top ten. I am in agreement though. I think Green is better than Brewer, but Brewer has more experience, and can give a team more in the short term. I think teams that are in Portlands position might pick a guy like Brewer, and start him right off.
 
Gary said:
Don't know man. From everything I have been reading Wright might drop, and Brewer might crack the top ten. I am in agreement though. I think Green is better than Brewer, but Brewer has more experience, and can give a team more in the short term. I think teams that are in Portlands position might pick a guy like Brewer, and start him right off.
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I think Brewer could be the ROY next year. I have a very high opinion of that kid. He's GOOD. I think he'll end up being a top 5-6 player in this draft overall when we look back at it in a decade.
 
Gary said:
What do the teams ahead of us need?

Lets say the draft is pretty much what it's supposed to be, and the teams pick based on needs.

Picks 1 and 2 will be Oden and Durant. This is for sure....
Lets just say it's Memphis and Boston.

The otehr teams ahead of us are Milwaukee, Phoenix, Seattle, Portland, Minnesota, Charlotte, and Chicago.

Below I will list each team ahead of us, and what they are most needing.

Milwaukee needs a PF: Jianlian, Noah, Horford, Wright
Phoenix needs a PF: Jianlian, Noah, Horford, Wright
Seattle needs a C/PF: Jianlian, Noah, Horford, Wright, Hibbert
Portland needs a SF: Green, Brewer, Wright, Young
Minnesota needs a PG/C: Hibbert, Law, Conley
Charlotte needs a C: Hibbert, Jianlian, Noah, Horford, Wright
Chicago needs a PF: Jianlian, Noah, Horford, Wright


OK Basically checking out the most glaring needs of each team we can come to the conclusion that Milwaukee is going to pick a PF. Phoenix is going to pick a PF. Seattle may pick Hibbert if they feel that Wilcox is their PF of the future. Portland will be the first team to pick a SF (outside of Durant). Minnesota will pick Hibbert, and if Hbbert isn;t there than they might trade down. If the trading down doesnt work than they will pick the best available PF. Charlotte wants Hibbert, but will probally end up taking a PF because Hibbert might not be available. Chicago needs a PF as well to replace PJ Brown.

This will leave 0 pf available for Sac (top 4 PF imo is what I mean)... We will probally end up taking best available again which will be a 6'8 205lbs SF...

I will update this thread when the official order comes out, but I can't see a top 4 PF fall to us.

My mock draft;
1. Memphis - Oden
2. Boston - Durant
3. Milwaukee - Horford
4. Phoenix - Wright
5. Seattle - Jianlian
6. Portland - Brewer
7. Minnesota - Hibbert (might draft Noah, than trade down to a team that drafts Law/Conley)
8. Charlotte - Noah (Hibbert if Minnesota takes Noah)
9. Chicago - Conley??? only SF/PG left and don't need either one really... Trade?
10. Sacramento - Let's hope Sacramento isn't at this spot.:mad:

What do you all think? I have too much time on my hands eh? :D
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GREAT thread. I highly doubt Seattle picks Hibbert because they've already picked two project center in the previous drafts. I wonder about Seattle picking Jianlian for that same reason, but he might be more of the finesse scorer that they need; maybe they put him at the 4. I also wonder if they might deal their 2 guard - he's getting up there in years. Seattle is a ? for me. Portland, I think you've got it right, damnit!. Minnesota need athleticism desperately. I don't see them picking Hibbert. They drafted a pg last year who is very good, so Conley is out. They are also a ? for me. Charlotte I can see taking Hibbert because they have plenty of athleticism to offset his lack thereof and they have a pg of the future. Chicago also has a pg of their future. I see Conley falling to Sacto - if they want him. Brewer will definitely not fall to the Kings. I don't know who in the heck is going to take Noah. He could be sitting there for the Kings.
 
Kingster said:
Excellent point. He would be perfect for them. Where do you think Noah goes?
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i could see the suns taking noah... he'd be perfect for their style of play... and amare could slide back to pf...
 
I see things going like this:


Assuming the current order we have

1. Memphis - Greg Oden - No brainer there

2. Boston - Kevin Durant - Same

3. Milwaukee - Brandon Wright - I don't think they can pass on his upside, if he develops they would have a pretty nice big man duo with him and Bogut. I could also see them going with Horford.

4. Phoenix - Al Horford - They need another big who can run the floor with them and Horford fits perfectly, if Milwaukee goes with Horford then the Suns probably go with Noah.

5. Seattle - Yi Jianlian - Yi should fit in well at PF and give them some more scoring punch, he also wouldn't push out of their center prospects they have drafted lately.

6. Portland - Corey Brewer - A safe pick for Portland. J. Wright, Conley, and Hawes have more upside, but Brewer should be able to contribute right away for them and make an impact.

7. Minnesota - Julian Wright - Minnesota needs to get more athletic and J. Wright fits the bill perfectly. Hibbert could also be an option here if they want to go for a big instead of an athlete. I wouldn't be shocked to see Minnesota deal this pick for some immediate help though.

8. Charlotte - Joakim Noah - He just screams "Jordan pick" to me. Plus Charlotte has a history of going for proven college players and he if they really plan on using Okafor as a center then I doubt they take Hawes or Hibbert.

9. Chicago - Spencer Hawes - They want someone that can score in the post and that's gotta be Hawes, he has excellent low post moves and is athletic enough to run the court.

10. Sacramento - Mike Conley - I think Petrie is hoping Hawes falls to him, but I just don't see it happening. I also don't see him taking Hibbert over Conley especially with Bibby likely to moved and Miller most likely staying. Possibly an outside chance at going with Splitter, after all Petrie was over in Europe for something and scouting Splitter had to have been at the top of his list while he was over there.
 
I think the Suns take Jianlian if they get to actually keep that pick.

And I can't see Hawes going before Hibbert this year. I think Hawes may be the better player but Hibbert is 7'2", had a solid tourny, is 7'2", has some post moves, is 7'2", and can block shots.
 
I think there's going to be a lot of pressure for teams like Chicago and Phoenix to either take guys who can contribute right away or to trade the pick. A project isn't really going to help them very much. They need to try and win now.
 
nbrans said:
I think there's going to be a lot of pressure for teams like Chicago and Phoenix to either take guys who can contribute right away or to trade the pick. A project isn't really going to help them very much. They need to try and win now.
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What can we possibly offer Suns to get that pick 4?

It might have to be something like Garcia and pick 10 or more!
 
Čarolija said:
What can we possibly offer Suns to get that pick 4?

It might have to be something like Garcia and pick 10 or more!
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I really doubt we can. Only possibility would be if we somehow helped them unload salary. Otherwise there are at least two guys -- Jianlin and Noah )and maybe Horford as well) who should be able to play in their system and set them up forever with young bigs.
 
AriesMar27 said:
i could see the suns taking noah... he'd be perfect for their style of play... and amare could slide back to pf...
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Yes, he is very fast. I could see that. But with Noah at the 5 and Amare at the 4, you have very little outside shooting. I wonder if that fits into their plans? It seems to me they would want someone to shoot outside to open up the floor.
 
jimbodan said:
I see things going like this:


Assuming the current order we have

1. Memphis - Greg Oden - No brainer there

2. Boston - Kevin Durant - Same

3. Milwaukee - Brandon Wright - I don't think they can pass on his upside, if he develops they would have a pretty nice big man duo with him and Bogut. I could also see them going with Horford.

4. Phoenix - Al Horford - They need another big who can run the floor with them and Horford fits perfectly, if Milwaukee goes with Horford then the Suns probably go with Noah.

5. Seattle - Yi Jianlian - Yi should fit in well at PF and give them some more scoring punch, he also wouldn't push out of their center prospects they have drafted lately.

6. Portland - Corey Brewer - A safe pick for Portland. J. Wright, Conley, and Hawes have more upside, but Brewer should be able to contribute right away for them and make an impact.

7. Minnesota - Julian Wright - Minnesota needs to get more athletic and J. Wright fits the bill perfectly. Hibbert could also be an option here if they want to go for a big instead of an athlete. I wouldn't be shocked to see Minnesota deal this pick for some immediate help though.

8. Charlotte - Joakim Noah - He just screams "Jordan pick" to me. Plus Charlotte has a history of going for proven college players and he if they really plan on using Okafor as a center then I doubt they take Hawes or Hibbert.

9. Chicago - Spencer Hawes - They want someone that can score in the post and that's gotta be Hawes, he has excellent low post moves and is athletic enough to run the court.

10. Sacramento - Mike Conley - I think Petrie is hoping Hawes falls to him, but I just don't see it happening. I also don't see him taking Hibbert over Conley especially with Bibby likely to moved and Miller most likely staying. Possibly an outside chance at going with Splitter, after all Petrie was over in Europe for something and scouting Splitter had to have been at the top of his list while he was over there.
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Very good analysis. The two wild cards for me are the T-Wolves and the Bobcats. Like you say, the Timberwolves could do a trade. I also think the Bobs could do a trade. Out of all of your picks above, I'm least sold on the Noah to the Bobcats. Jordan will be making the decision on whether to sign Wallace or to do a sign and trade with him. If he goes for the sign and trade, I think he'd love to get his mits on Brewer. Maybe he trades up? He's said that the one thing his team needs is a closer, and Brewer can do that. Noah doesn't provide him with that, while Brewer does.
 
I don't think Chicago will draft Hawes. I think they are going for a PG, or PF. I can only see them taking Hawes if one of the top 4 aren't available.

But this is really making me mad that our changes of getting a top player at PF is next to zero.

Out of the 9 teams ahead of us what are the teams that might suprise us and pick someone that I didn't list in the first post?

So I am getting that Chicago might draft Hawes, and Minnesota might suprise some people too.. You think Minnesota might take a PG, or draft a big for another team than trade that big for a PG about 10-15th pick (Conley/Law) and anotehr player? I think Minnesota is looking to win now.

We can probally package Bibby, and pick a PG to Minnesota for their pick (a top 4 PF) and a player and/or a 2nd round pick?

Ahh just realized that Chicago will probally take Hawes or Splitter.
 
Kingster said:
Very good analysis. The two wild cards for me are the T-Wolves and the Bobcats. Like you say, the Timberwolves could do a trade. I also think the Bobs could do a trade. Out of all of your picks above, I'm least sold on the Noah to the Bobcats. Jordan will be making the decision on whether to sign Wallace or to do a sign and trade with him. If he goes for the sign and trade, I think he'd love to get his mits on Brewer. Maybe he trades up? He's said that the one thing his team needs is a closer, and Brewer can do that. Noah doesn't provide him with that, while Brewer does.
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Yeah, I totally agree on the Bobcats and T-Wolves, lots of different directions both those teams could go in. What the Bobcats do is going to be heavily influenced by Wallace, if they keep him then they won't need a center (Okafor), or a SF (Wallace). I doubt they'd give up on Felton so soon too, so probably not a PG. They also still have Morrison down there too, although they might already be done with him. That really just leaves either SG or PF, both not very strong positions in this draft at their spot. I wonder if Charlotte and Phoenix might be able to work out some sort of a deal? Maybe Charlotte can take on some extra salary in order to swap picks with Phoenix? Phoenix could still grab someone in Noah that would be a good fit for their system with the Bobcats pick and Jordan would be able to land Brewer.
 
Gary said:
But this is really making me mad that our changes of getting a top player at PF is next to zero.
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This is the nasty cost of that stupid Clippers victory. I was mad that day. I am still mad.

That said, I'm not sure things are quite as bleak as all that. Hawes and Splitter may both be around, there are several teams above us who could have a need for a PG or SF rather than a PF/C (Portland and posisbly Milwaulkee), and there are several others who might be willing to trade down to get a player of that type, if a vet was tossed their way as well (Phoenix, Minneosta, maybe Chicago). And then there is of course still the remote )(basically 1 in 20) chance we get lucky in the lottery and move into the Top 3.

So yeah, sucks to be us. We blew it in every possible fashion this year, and if we suck going forward, well, we pretty much deserve it. But its not hopeless -- there are seams, cracks, things to root for that could open things up for us. Or at least could open things up for a motivated and aggressive front office. No word on whether we have that yet. (Only thing we've heard from the front office is that they may be leaning toward hiring Scott Brooks as coach, which of course again smacks of complete passivity and lack of vision. Just hire the guy who is close at hand and easiest.)
 
Here's my question. Considering we own a 10 pick could we eliminate these three (Bibby-Artest-Martin) and somehow juggle things to end up with Horford along with Brewer or Conley?
 
Good question....

I think it would take a team like;

Phoenix (would have to give up Martin to get their pick)
Memphis - will not trade
Boston - will not trade
Memphis - will not trade
Seattle - will not trade straight up a player for their pick
Portland - will not trade straight up a player for their pick
Minnesota - Interesting story. They want to win now, so might be able to steal their pick from them.
Charlotte - Will not trade
Chicago - They want/need a PF. We don't have one to trade to them.

Phoenix most likely I can see trading their pick for a player to put them over the top. Think about K-Mart in the Phoenix lineup. WOW.. :eek: You think he is efficient now! Can you say 17 points on 7 shots per game? If we were to get Phoenix at 4th or 5th We would take Horford, than at the 10th pick we would take a PG like Conley.

Think Phoenix would do it? Maybe Martin, and a future 1st rounder top 10 protected? Think if we were to get a top 3 w/ our pick, than have the 5th w/ phoenix. Dang, we could solidify our frontcourt. Think Oden, and Horford in the front court.. YIKES!
 
Bricklayer said:
This is the nasty cost of that stupid Clippers victory. I was mad that day. I am still mad.

That said, I'm not sure things are quite as bleak as all that. Hawes and Splitter may both be around, there are several teams above us who could have a need for a PG or SF rather than a PF/C (Portland and posisbly Milwaulkee), and there are several others who might be willing to trade down to get a player of that type, if a vet was tossed their way as well (Phoenix, Minneosta, maybe Chicago). And then there is of course still the remote )(basically 1 in 20) chance we get lucky in the lottery and move into the Top 3.

So yeah, sucks to be us. We blew it in every possible fashion this year, and if we suck going forward, well, we pretty much deserve it. But its not hopeless -- there are seams, cracks, things to root for that could open things up for us. Or at least could open things up for a motivated and aggressive front office. No word on whether we have that yet. (Only thing we've heard from the front office is that they may be leaning toward hiring Scott Brooks as coach, which of course again smacks of complete passivity and lack of vision. Just hire the guy who is close at hand and easiest.)
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Or maybe hire the guy and keep the staff around that had a major part in the development of some of the younger players? :rolleyes:
 
SacTownKid said:
Or maybe hire the guy and keep the staff around that had a major part in the development of some of the younger players? :rolleyes:
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What makes you think Scott Brooks would keep the other guys around. Like most coaches, he'd want to pick his own staff. (This is presuming there is anything to this rumor, beyond vague musings.)
 
First, I'm not against the hiring of Scott Brooks. He does have experience, he does relate well with players and management, he's young enough to stick around for a while AND he's a very hard working coach. I think he'd likely keep Jason Hamm around because Hamm is a working fool with the kids.

I don't see those things as complete passivity and lack of vision. Every long-term successful head coach has had to start their successes somewhere. I think Brooks could do the job. I'd much rather have him than some of the other recently available choices.

Bottom line for me is that I think Petrie will be able to present the alternatives and make the final decision. And I still believe that's a good thing.
 
VF21 said:
First, I'm not against the hiring of Scott Brooks. He does have experience, he does relate well with players and management, he's young enough to stick around for a while AND he's a very hard working coach. I think he'd likely keep Jason Hamm around because Hamm is a working fool with the kids.

I don't see those things as complete passivity and lack of vision. Every long-term successful head coach has had to start their successes somewhere. I think Brooks could do the job. I'd much rather have him than some of the other recently available choices.

Bottom line for me is that I think Petrie will be able to present the alternatives and make the final decision. And I still believe that's a good thing.
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While Brooks is a candidate at this point, Voison is talking out of her behind saying he's the top choice at this point. That's factually incorrect.
 
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