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League looking at Tape to possibly suspend players

Grant Napear just reported that the League is reviewing tapes of the game to determine what fine/suspensions are to be levied for behavior after the game. Brad Miller and Chris Webber will most likely be fined and may be suspended.
 
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The league should realize they were wrong, and Webb and B-52 had a right to be pissed.
 
Pissed yes, but a player can not throw anything at a referee. That headband toss in the direction of Bernie Fryer may get Brad a suspension.
 
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Webbers punt of the basketball may be grounds for suspension also. Tomorrow's game may be a couple of starters light again.:mad:
 
usually they get only fined for kicking the ball into the stands

the league has to protect the fans ya know

but if Chris had kicked the ball during the course of the game he would have gotten kicked out of the game and fined for sure
 
Of course this actualy poves Cation's point for him. There is a controversial call taht can be cleared up with a review of tape and nothing happnes. The quality of the Ref's calls can be established with the tape but instead the tape will be reviewed to see which palyers can be fined and suspended.
 
HndsmCelt said:
Of course this actualy poves Cation's point for him. There is a controversial call taht can be cleared up with a review of tape and nothing happnes. The quality of the Ref's calls can be established with the tape but instead the tape will be reviewed to see which palyers can be fined and suspended.
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The dichotomy of dictatorship... ;)
 
ugh i know right

this whole thing still isn't sitting right with me

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where is everyone tonight? Doesn't seem like the board is poppin like it usually is even on a non game night
 
i doubt webber gets suspended for punting the ball into the stands. come on. t-mac did that twice in one game last year. i think he got suspended, but i imaging it was becuase he did it twice. he got the ball back after the first punt and did it again. webber's wasn't that bad. it was ONCE at the end of the game.

it will be major BS if he gets suspended
 
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Webbers punt of the basketball may be grounds for suspension also. Tomorrow's game may be a couple of starters light again.:mad:
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I know the league is cracking down on players antics these days, but I can remember Chuck Person booting a couple balls into upper decks and Barkley doing the same once, and just getting a fine...so I think Webb will be ok...but Brad on the other hand might see a 1 or 2 game suspension.
 
After the whole Artest thing I would be surprised if the league didn't suspend Brad. They should take his rather clean record into account though. He's no whacko like Artest. Just a PO'd country boy.
 
Vlade has punted the ball into the stands before, but I think that was mostly in celebration of a big win.
 
After the Pacer-Piston fiasco the league will have tighten the reins on overt player expressions. Frustrated or not no high paid NBA player has any right to throw anything or kick anything in a crowd particularly the home crowd. And if a ref is in the way, well you are in effect taking on the "cops" and the league will protect their own. Seems Marty McNeal and a number of others, on seeing several TV views of the block, thought it was a good block. I don't know. I see both sides of the argument. Maybe the Kings should not have missed 7 free throws last night and 4 of those in the 4th.
 
Just watched the tape of the game it looks like Brad actualy threw his headband at the Ref and Grant says so on the tape. That will cost him a game or two I think. He may get some sympathy if the tape of the shot is played as well. From the several camara angles it seems pretty clear that the ball was out of Brads hands and over the cylender when Staudamire blocked it.
 
HndsmCelt said:
Just watched the tape of the game it looks like Brad actualy threw his headband at the Ref and Grant says so on the tape. That will cost him a game or two I think. He may get some sympathy if the tape of the shot is played as well. From the several camara angles it seems pretty clear that the ball was out of Brads hands and over the cylender when Staudamire blocked it.
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I hope they take the bad call into consideration, but I wouldn't bet on it. The NBA is looking to trample any "out of line" behavior since the Artest thing. Taking the call into consideration would require admitting that the wrong call was made, and I don't think that's going to happen. Would be thrilled if we could get out of this with just fines, but I don't think it's likely.
 
HndsmCelt said:
Just watched the tape of the game it looks like Brad actualy threw his headband at the Ref and Grant says so on the tape. That will cost him a game or two I think. He may get some sympathy if the tape of the shot is played as well. From the several camara angles it seems pretty clear that the ball was out of Brads hands and over the cylender when Staudamire blocked it.
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I'm with Brad on that one. Ever since he stood up to Shaq (while Brad was with Bulls and Bulls still sucked something powerfull) I am willing to forgive and forget Brad's little transgressions when he gets upset. He has temper on him and while it will cost him a game or two here and there and some dollars - I can live with that. Somehow, with Brad I believe he genuinly feels wronged. He's not throwing a hissy fit because he feels his "status" has been violated, he seeems really ticked off.
 
How the NBA screwed us in so many ways on tuesday... and they will agian some one will get suspended.. Mobley, Webber, or Miller... i agree with Mobley.. the refs went running home to the commish....
 
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what happens if the league reviews them and actually see that it is goaltending?
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Nothing really. Its over with. Normally hold the conduct stuff separate too -- i.e. players should not act that way regardless of correctness of the call.
 
Public Response to Fat Tuesday's Infamous Non-Call

I don't know whether the League will fine and suspend the infamous Sacramento Three, but it doesn't really matter as far as our overall record and potential for success this year. These guys need a little rest anyway. I believe that there will be unintended impacts on the public's perception of the NBA becasue of this situation. Cutino was right. Here is my preliminary assessment.

The NBA powers (eg. Stern, et al) are already under the microscope of public scrutiny. They have not, and probably never will, understand that Americans value fairness above almost any other social value. Children inherently value fairness. Most people learn to live with systematic unfairness that pervades criminal justice, government, business, and politics after years of dealing with educated and powerful individuals that abuse their power and the Law. Most people still don't like it.

Most serious basketball fans still remember how the Kings were screwed in the infamous Game 6 with Los Angeles. I believe that most thinking NBA fans would readily admit that the Kings were the victims in that affair.

The post-game actions of Brad Miller and Chris Webber, and later Cutino Mobley, are absolutely benign compared to the criminal actions of the Pacers and Pistons a few months ago. The Little Fallujah Incident in Auburn Hills is really a very poor comparison. Any attempt to equate these two NBA events will again be perceived as unfair by the fans. NBA fans will again reject the League's assessment.

Thirdly, Mobley's speech was actually quite good given that he was very emotional and not a learned public speaker. I think the guy was a "good witness". Again, if the League makes too much of this emotional tirade with Brad, Chris, and Cat, the news media will replay Mobley's oratory and footage of the infamous Fat Tuesday Non-Call over, and over again. Again, when all is said and done, the Kings will lose some cash and a few more games. The league will lose even more fan credibility.

Fourthly, Grant Napear also "went off" on the League and it's officiating. Will he be sanctioned? Most NBA fans are already annoyed and troubled by poor League officiating and non-reversed bad calls. It will also be fresh in everyone's memory that the NFL reversed, or at least reviewed, some referee calls in the Super Bowl Game. The review process was perceived to be fair and expedient by millions of football (and basketball) fans. Why must the NBA take a Saddam Hussein appraoch to officiating. The public won't buy it anymore! They freed Iraq, but not the NBA

I suspect that the unpenalized goal-tending episode, and any subsequent player-sanctions by League authorities, will fire-up our boys even more. Many of our cuirrent players remember Dick Bavetta's magical performance in that fateful Game 6 with the dreaded Lakers.

Some fans probably believe that the League (coaches and fans) snubbed the Kings with no Allstar selections. (I don't) Now the Kings get hosed on an obvious bad non-call, add to that harsh and unmitigated sanctions, and you have the grist for a wonderful and emotional second-half of the season.

I thinbk that the League has more to lose than the Kings on this issue because they were simply wrong Tuesday night, and they have yet to understand the public's hatred of "unfairness". This is America, where justice is supposed to prevail. We see too much injustice every day. The fans expect a simple basketball game to be fair. It was not on Tuesday night.

Watch out NBA!
 
Whether We Like It or Not ....

The NBA is gonna do what they feel is the right thing to do.

Agree/Disagree .... for me, I have NOT ALWAYS agreed to the way they hand-down fines/suspensions.

More times than not, a fine/suspension is given and when the comparisons are made to other fines/suspensions .... I wonder where the logic comes from in making some of their decisions.

Another point Grant brought-up last night was that fines/suspensions are put-on the refs' ... we, as fans, just don't know what the details are .... the NBA does not publicize/release that information .... WHY ???

My gut tells me that a few of the King's will receive disciplinary action. My brain tells me "something stinks in Denmark".

Stay tuned ... same SAC channel .... same SAC time
 
quick dog said:
I don't know whether the League will fine and suspend the infamous Sacramento Three, but it doesn't really matter as far as our overall record and potential for success this year. These guys need a little rest anyway. I believe that there will be unintended impacts on the public's perception of the NBA becasue of this situation. Cutino was right. Here is my preliminary assessment.

The NBA powers (eg. Stern, et al) are already under the microscope of public scrutiny. They have not, and probably never will, understand that Americans value fairness above almost any other social value. Children inherently value fairness. Most people learn to live with systematic unfairness that pervades criminal justice, government, business, and politics after years of dealing with educated and powerful individuals that abuse their power and the Law. Most people still don't like it.

Most serious basketball fans still remember how the Kings were screwed in the infamous Game 6 with Los Angeles. I believe that most thinking NBA fans would readily admit that the Kings were the victims in that affair.

The post-game actions of Brad Miller and Chris Webber, and later Cutino Mobley, are absolutely benign compared to the criminal actions of the Pacers and Pistons a few months ago. The Little Fallujah Incident in Auburn Hills is really a very poor comparison. Any attempt to equate these two NBA events will again be perceived as unfair by the fans. NBA fans will again reject the League's assessment.

Thirdly, Mobley's speech was actually quite good given that he was very emotional and not a learned public speaker. I think the guy was a "good witness". Again, if the League makes too much of this emotional tirade with Brad, Chris, and Cat, the news media will replay Mobley's oratory and footage of the infamous Fat Tuesday Non-Call over, and over again. Again, when all is said and done, the Kings will lose some cash and a few more games. The league will lose even more fan credibility.

Fourthly, Grant Napear also "went off" on the League and it's officiating. Will he be sanctioned? Most NBA fans are already annoyed and troubled by poor League officiating and non-reversed bad calls. It will also be fresh in everyone's memory that the NFL reversed, or at least reviewed, some referee calls in the Super Bowl Game. The review process was perceived to be fair and expedient by millions of football (and basketball) fans. Why must the NBA take a Saddam Hussein appraoch to officiating. The public won't buy it anymore! They freed Iraq, but not the NBA

I suspect that the unpenalized goal-tending episode, and any subsequent player-sanctions by League authorities, will fire-up our boys even more. Many of our cuirrent players remember Dick Bavetta's magical performance in that fateful Game 6 with the dreaded Lakers.

Some fans probably believe that the League (coaches and fans) snubbed the Kings with no Allstar selections. (I don't) Now the Kings get hosed on an obvious bad non-call, add to that harsh and unmitigated sanctions, and you have the grist for a wonderful and emotional second-half of the season.

I thinbk that the League has more to lose than the Kings on this issue because they were simply wrong Tuesday night, and they have yet to understand the public's hatred of "unfairness". This is America, where justice is supposed to prevail. We see too much injustice every day. The fans expect a simple basketball game to be fair. It was not on Tuesday night.

Watch out NBA!
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wow
 
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quick dog said:
I don't know whether the League will fine and suspend the infamous Sacramento Three, but it doesn't really matter as far as our overall record and potential for success this year. These guys need a little rest anyway. I believe that there will be unintended impacts on the public's perception of the NBA becasue of this situation. Cutino was right. Here is my preliminary assessment.

The NBA powers (eg. Stern, et al) are already under the microscope of public scrutiny. They have not, and probably never will, understand that Americans value fairness above almost any other social value. Children inherently value fairness. Most people learn to live with systematic unfairness that pervades criminal justice, government, business, and politics after years of dealing with educated and powerful individuals that abuse their power and the Law. Most people still don't like it.

Most serious basketball fans still remember how the Kings were screwed in the infamous Game 6 with Los Angeles. I believe that most thinking NBA fans would readily admit that the Kings were the victims in that affair.

The post-game actions of Brad Miller and Chris Webber, and later Cutino Mobley, are absolutely benign compared to the criminal actions of the Pacers and Pistons a few months ago. The Little Fallujah Incident in Auburn Hills is really a very poor comparison. Any attempt to equate these two NBA events will again be perceived as unfair by the fans. NBA fans will again reject the League's assessment.

Thirdly, Mobley's speech was actually quite good given that he was very emotional and not a learned public speaker. I think the guy was a "good witness". Again, if the League makes too much of this emotional tirade with Brad, Chris, and Cat, the news media will replay Mobley's oratory and footage of the infamous Fat Tuesday Non-Call over, and over again. Again, when all is said and done, the Kings will lose some cash and a few more games. The league will lose even more fan credibility.

Fourthly, Grant Napear also "went off" on the League and it's officiating. Will he be sanctioned? Most NBA fans are already annoyed and troubled by poor League officiating and non-reversed bad calls. It will also be fresh in everyone's memory that the NFL reversed, or at least reviewed, some referee calls in the Super Bowl Game. The review process was perceived to be fair and expedient by millions of football (and basketball) fans. Why must the NBA take a Saddam Hussein appraoch to officiating. The public won't buy it anymore! They freed Iraq, but not the NBA

I suspect that the unpenalized goal-tending episode, and any subsequent player-sanctions by League authorities, will fire-up our boys even more. Many of our cuirrent players remember Dick Bavetta's magical performance in that fateful Game 6 with the dreaded Lakers.

Some fans probably believe that the League (coaches and fans) snubbed the Kings with no Allstar selections. (I don't) Now the Kings get hosed on an obvious bad non-call, add to that harsh and unmitigated sanctions, and you have the grist for a wonderful and emotional second-half of the season.

I thinbk that the League has more to lose than the Kings on this issue because they were simply wrong Tuesday night, and they have yet to understand the public's hatred of "unfairness". This is America, where justice is supposed to prevail. We see too much injustice every day. The fans expect a simple basketball game to be fair. It was not on Tuesday night.

Watch out NBA!
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pretty deep stuff
 
quick dog said:
I don't know whether the League will fine and suspend the infamous Sacramento Three, but it doesn't really matter as far as our overall record and potential for success this year. These guys need a little rest anyway. I believe that there will be unintended impacts on the public's perception of the NBA becasue of this situation. Cutino was right. Here is my preliminary assessment.

The NBA powers (eg. Stern, et al) are already under the microscope of public scrutiny. They have not, and probably never will, understand that Americans value fairness above almost any other social value. Children inherently value fairness. Most people learn to live with systematic unfairness that pervades criminal justice, government, business, and politics after years of dealing with educated and powerful individuals that abuse their power and the Law. Most people still don't like it.

Most serious basketball fans still remember how the Kings were screwed in the infamous Game 6 with Los Angeles. I believe that most thinking NBA fans would readily admit that the Kings were the victims in that affair.

The post-game actions of Brad Miller and Chris Webber, and later Cutino Mobley, are absolutely benign compared to the criminal actions of the Pacers and Pistons a few months ago. The Little Fallujah Incident in Auburn Hills is really a very poor comparison. Any attempt to equate these two NBA events will again be perceived as unfair by the fans. NBA fans will again reject the League's assessment.

Thirdly, Mobley's speech was actually quite good given that he was very emotional and not a learned public speaker. I think the guy was a "good witness". Again, if the League makes too much of this emotional tirade with Brad, Chris, and Cat, the news media will replay Mobley's oratory and footage of the infamous Fat Tuesday Non-Call over, and over again. Again, when all is said and done, the Kings will lose some cash and a few more games. The league will lose even more fan credibility.

Fourthly, Grant Napear also "went off" on the League and it's officiating. Will he be sanctioned? Most NBA fans are already annoyed and troubled by poor League officiating and non-reversed bad calls. It will also be fresh in everyone's memory that the NFL reversed, or at least reviewed, some referee calls in the Super Bowl Game. The review process was perceived to be fair and expedient by millions of football (and basketball) fans. Why must the NBA take a Saddam Hussein appraoch to officiating. The public won't buy it anymore! They freed Iraq, but not the NBA

I suspect that the unpenalized goal-tending episode, and any subsequent player-sanctions by League authorities, will fire-up our boys even more. Many of our cuirrent players remember Dick Bavetta's magical performance in that fateful Game 6 with the dreaded Lakers.

Some fans probably believe that the League (coaches and fans) snubbed the Kings with no Allstar selections. (I don't) Now the Kings get hosed on an obvious bad non-call, add to that harsh and unmitigated sanctions, and you have the grist for a wonderful and emotional second-half of the season.

I thinbk that the League has more to lose than the Kings on this issue because they were simply wrong Tuesday night, and they have yet to understand the public's hatred of "unfairness". This is America, where justice is supposed to prevail. We see too much injustice every day. The fans expect a simple basketball game to be fair. It was not on Tuesday night.

Watch out NBA!
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