Kreidler: Petrie in a tight spot

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Mark Kreidler: Groin injury, Martin's play put Petrie in a tight spot
By Mark Kreidler -- Bee Columnist
Published 2:15 am PST Sunday, February 26, 2006


Got it: Vitaly Potapenko is large and Sergei Monia has promise.

So, anyway, about Bonzi Wells ...

That's it, isn't it? That's the rest of this season, one giant referendum on what Wells is and what he's worth. How much would you pay this man to stay around for a few years?

The Kings are angling for the eighth playoff spot in the Western Conference, and there's a certain amount of oomph that accompanies any group snapping awake after spending weeks sleepwalking through a schedule. It's a better team than the one that began the season, and, boy, is that a relative term.

But whatever happens here, this stretch run is still almost pure prelude. The Kings - as a court product, as a front office - are all about the future. Every little thing, from Kevin Martin's progress to whether Shareef Abdur-Rahim can come off the bench and be a significant producer, is being studied in the context of what comes next.

And that brings us back to Wells, because he is far and away the most interesting question that is guaranteed to come before Petrie, Maloofs and Friends once this current seasonal swamp drains.

Wells has managed to become an enigma for Sacramento without a single "personal" incident. In fact, the two things you can say about him almost without reservation are that he has been a solid citizen since arriving here and that, before his injury, he was often the best guy on the roster.

But he makes $8 million, and he's a free agent after this season. Geoff Petrie knew those two things when he acquired Wells, which is why the deal stacked up as a good risk in the first place. If Wells was off his nut or just not the right player for the Kings' system, he cost them only a year's worth of salary.

Well, that and Bobby Jackson. But we'll get to that in a minute.

Instead, the Wells question is suddenly the biggest one. His groin injury, fast on its way to becoming a Kings classic in its resistance to recovery, is blurring the vision of him as a player. Now he's a risk of another sort.

It's what the Kings don't know about Wells that is the problem. They don't know if this injury, which has kept Wells out of all but two of the past 30 games, is the first of ongoing problems (the Doug Christie effect, albeit in a different part of the body). They don't know if Wells, once he returns, can play effectively in the Ron Artest-altered lineup.

And, if they're honest, they also don't know whether it is time to let Martin take over the two-guard spot. Martin isn't consistent enough yet to deserve that, but assuming a continuation of the progress he has made this season, he's going to demand minutes on the floor and force the issue.

That's a great debate, because it goes back to the heart of the Wells deal. Part of his flameout with Memphis coach Mike Fratello was over playing time, and nobody in his right mind would figure Wells as a happy camper sitting behind Martin.

It's too easy now to forget how good Wells was over the first third of the season. Granted, "best guy on a bad team" is no badge of honor, but Wells was pure effort and hustle. He got to the basket. He yanked rebounds, nearly eight a game. He had to be watched by the other team most of the time he was out there.

But Martin, when he's on, stretches the floor in a way the Kings can't currently do otherwise. What they gave up in the Artest deal was perimeter shooting, and part of the Wells question swings on what Petrie now wants the two-guard position to produce. If it's some part of what Peja Stojakovic used to provide, that plays to Martin's strength and makes the Wells question more urgent.

There's no way Wells goes out on the open market and gets $8 million again, but what's a reasonable number for what he brings? That's unknown (I'd start at $4.5 million and go from there), but this much is clear: Every game he misses drives the number down at least a bit.

When the trade was made last summer, Wells was at $8 million and Bobby Jackson at $3.375 million, and Jackson had the injury history. Now Jackson has played in 47 games and produced for Memphis, although he's shooting only 36 percent from the floor.

Jackson also becomes a free agent at the end of the season. Depending on how the Wells situation goes, Petrie could very well find himself in the market for a backup two-guard who can also play some at the point. It's funny, the conversations you wind up having when the future comes down to figuring out what you really want.

About the writer: Reach Mark Kreidler at (916) 321-1149 or mkreidler@sacbee.com.
 
I bet we sign Bonzi in the off-season. We need someone aggressive in the line-up that can do some of the dirty work. I would rather package Martin and KT for someone decent and go on from there.

;)
 
Starting Five said:
I bet we sign Bonzi in the off-season. We need someone aggressive in the line-up that can do some of the dirty work. I would rather package Martin and KT for someone decent and go on from there.

;)

Not gonna happen. Kevin is way too much of a bargain right now to be shipped out. AND he's part of the future of this franchise. You don't go trading that away for "someone decent"...
 
I'd love to see Bonzi re-signed for 2-3 more seasons... Kevin I'd be fine if he was the starter for next season, though. Which is likely.

Kevin won't be traded unless it's for KG/Brand, etc. ;)
 
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Ron's perimeter shot and shot all together will get better as he gets in shape, he can shoot. Bonzi has a solid mid-jumper (for example, remember the Seattle blow-out?). Bibby/Brad obviously, and SAR has a good jumper. KT's disappeared this season, hopefully he gets it back if he's still here next season.
 
VF21 said:
Not gonna happen. Kevin is way too much of a bargain right now to be shipped out. AND he's part of the future of this franchise. You don't go trading that away for "someone decent"...

I agree. But with KT's contract he might need to be packaged with someone who is a bargain.

But, I hope & believe that Martin is not going anywhere.
 
Man, if we could re-sign Bonzi for cheap, that would be great. I'm glad to see Kevin improving, but he's not there yet and I like Bonzi's strength/posting ability. As stated by others, if Kevin can get minutes off the bench, I think he'll keep improving.
 
We definitely need to try and resign Bonzi. We can move Bonzi once Kevin is totally fit for the starting spot, which in my opinion, will be the season after next.
 
Bonzi wants to stay in sacramento. he said he doesn't want to move his family again. So that being said from him it suggest to me that he may not demand a large increase of his current salary. maybe just maybe he will settle for less??
 
Kings113 said:
Bobby's great, but wouldn't of taken him over Bonzi.

Same here. Bonzi has been pretty durable compared to Bobby the past few years, present injury excepted. :) I like what he brings. That being said, if Bobby did come back (say Bonzi signs elsewhere for more $$$), I wouldn't exactly be upset. :)
 
Let him walk. He's almost 30, Martin looks good, and we have the same player (only better and younger) in Artest. It's too bad, cause he came here and performed, but he'll lose his spot to Martin within 2 seasons, and then Petrie would really have a problem on his hands.

Someone like the Cavs or Rockets should throw the MLE his way.
 
If we let Bonzi walk, then we essentially just gave Bobby Jackson away for nothing...

If we sign him to a contract, we can always use him as a trade chip at some point down the road. And that's exactly what I think we do. Kevin is good, and getting better, but he needs to learn to perform on the road before he's ready to start full-time for the Kings IMHO.
 
I think Bonzi's injury came from Adelman playing him too many minutes. Then the medical staff should have known better than to rush him back so soon. I had a hamstring injury that took 6 months plus to heal and groin injuries are no different. Note how careful the Sun's are to bring back Stoudamire and compare that to Webber's return. The Utah Jazz had always rested Malone and Stockton on the bench for the end of the first and third quarter until 4-5 minutes into the 2nd and 4th quarter. I believe that contributed to their injury free long careers. Also look at how slowly the Jazz have brought back Carlos Boozer and compare that to the return of Bonzi.
 
It will be good to finally have our starting five together in the near future:

Miller/KT/Artest/Wells/Bibby

I think that we'll learn a lot about how Wells will fit with Artest. They are both bangers who will make turnovers if they handle too much. Maybe Wells and Artest and SAR will clog up the lane too much.
 
Sac4cwebb said:
I think Bonzi's injury came from Adelman playing him too many minutes. Then the medical staff should have known better than to rush him back so soon. I had a hamstring injury that took 6 months plus to heal and groin injuries are no different. Note how careful the Sun's are to bring back Stoudamire and compare that to Webber's return. The Utah Jazz had always rested Malone and Stockton on the bench for the end of the first and third quarter until 4-5 minutes into the 2nd and 4th quarter. I believe that contributed to their injury free long careers. Also look at how slowly the Jazz have brought back Carlos Boozer and compare that to the return of Bonzi.

It wasn't Adelman's decision for Bonzi to come back. It was Bonzi's, his doctors, the trainers, etc. Adelman works with what he's told. He was told Bonzi was ready to play. He (Bonzi) REINJURED his groin. It happens. It has absolutely no comparison with Stoudamire or Webber OR even another player with a groin injury. Each player is different; each injury is different.

I fail to see how the way the Jazz handled Stockton and Malone has ANY relevance whatsoever to this...

For the record? Groin injuries ARE different than hamstrings, and broken fingers are different than sprained toes...
 
joejoe said:
It will be good to finally have our starting five together in the near future:

Miller/KT/Artest/Wells/Bibby

I think that we'll learn a lot about how Wells will fit with Artest. They are both bangers who will make turnovers if they handle too much. Maybe Wells and Artest and SAR will clog up the lane too much.

Ron's perimeter shot and shot all together will get better as he gets in shape, he can shoot. Bonzi has a solid mid-jumper (for example, remember the Seattle blow-out?). SAR has a good jumper.
 
VF21 said:
If we let Bonzi walk, then we essentially just gave Bobby Jackson away for nothing...

If we sign him to a contract, we can always use him as a trade chip at some point down the road. And that's exactly what I think we do. Kevin is good, and getting better, but he needs to learn to perform on the road before he's ready to start full-time for the Kings IMHO.


So? We've had two first round picks in a row pan out. It was a calculated risk. Martin improved and we landed Artest. As with Mobley, work a S&T if possible, but by no means sign him to an extended contract. That would be bad juju. We weren't going to resign Bobby anyway, too old and too expensive.
 
VF21 said:
For the record? Groin injuries ARE different than hamstrings, and broken fingers are different than sprained toes...

lol, you're such a nit picker

of course hamstring and groin injuries are different, but what he meant was that the recovery is the same. they both are injuries that are very tedious and require full recovery before you come back or they are easily reinjurable.

also, does anyone else find it ironic that the last 2 years bonzi has been healthy but getting no minutes and complaining, but now when he could get the minutes, hes hurt and cant play....funny how things work out
 
I'm surprised that this isn't being discussed here, but at the Kings/Lakers game on TNT, they said that, while Bonzi was expected to re-join the team next week (this week), it was possible that he may be out for the rest of the season because of his groin injury. Apparently, the injury has prevented him from being able to run or work out, and he's nowhere near "playing condition".

Has anything "official" been said?
 
tradepeja said:
lol, you're such a nit picker

of course hamstring and groin injuries are different, but what he meant was that the recovery is the same. they both are injuries that are very tedious and require full recovery before you come back or they are easily reinjurable.

also, does anyone else find it ironic that the last 2 years bonzi has been healthy but getting no minutes and complaining, but now when he could get the minutes, hes hurt and cant play....funny how things work out

MY point was that no two injuries are the same.

This guy was also comparing Webber and Stoudamire, in case you missed it...

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Jose said:
I'm surprised that this isn't being discussed here, but at the Kings/Lakers game on TNT, they said that, while Bonzi was expected to re-join the team next week (this week), it was possible that he may be out for the rest of the season because of his groin injury. Apparently, the injury has prevented him from being able to run or work out, and he's nowhere near "playing condition".

Has anything "official" been said?

They had a piece on the news last night that showed Bonzi working out with the team, running, etc. so I don't know where TNT got their info...

Bonzi said he's close to coming back, that he came back to early last time because he was so anxious to get back on the court, he wanted to play with Ron, etc. He also said he's not going to make that mistake again, that he realizes he needs to be fully healed to be a help to the team, etc.
 
Yeah, letting him walk was always the disaster scenario. And now that we did not move him its out there lingering and will be all summer. But to let Cat walk, and then Bonzi walk, that's a ridiculous amount of talent just to let bleed away with no return. Very poor resource management. Doesn't mean we have to bring him back, but we just have to get something in return for him at least.
 
IIRC, in an interview with the rise guys a week or two ago Bonzi said that reinjuring it has prompted him to toss all his ibuprofin/whatever out of his medicine cabinet so he could more accurately tell if it was still bothering him at all. Sounds like he's being a little more hard-core about making sure it is absolutely healed this time.
 
As I understand it, both Webber and Stoudamire had similar surgeries. The Sun's are doing well and are in no rush to bring Amare back. Adelman allowed Webber to come back too soon. It was not good for him or the team, who by the way, like the Suns today, were leading the division. I never said that Adelman said Bonzi could come back too soon. That I blamed on the medical staff. There are muscle and there are tendon injuries. Both hamstring and groin pulls, like B Jax's abdominal strain are muscle injuries. They take a long time to heal, generally six months or more. Physicians I have spoken to say it is not uncommon to take a full year to recove. My hamsting was a minor injury. It only hurt when I ran very fast. However, I had to limit my running for over 6 months. Anyone who tries to come back too soon and play at the level of an NBA player after a muscle injury is very likely to reinjure it, doing more damage the second time.
 
Kings113 said:
Bobby's great, but wouldn't of taken him over Bonzi.

how about both?if we can somehow get away with paying bonzi 7 mil and bobby 4 mil we stay at the same cap space. maybe we can pay peja 4 mil to coem back here ;)
 
The primary difference between Webber and Stoudamire is YOUTH. Big difference there...

As far as Adelman allowing Webber to come back too soon, it wasn't Adelman's call. It is NOT the purview of the coach to decide when to bring back injured players. Period.
 
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