quick dog said:If I was one of the Raptors last night, I would have clipped Kobe after about ten cuts to the basket. Someone should have knocked him on his butt for running up the score. The entire Raptor team has just been posterized.
hoopsfan said:You mean 51 points and a whole lot of nothing...81 points and a win.
Bricklayer said:81pts on 46 shots is TREMENDOUS.
mcsluggo said:C'mon now, don't re-write history.
Kobe told the league the teams where he was willing to play, and the hornets weren't one of them (neither was Sac, by the way). THe Hornets basically had three choises.
Draft someone other than Kobe. (the coul've had Peja, who was picked next)
Draft Kobe and try to force him to play there (he had made the credible threat to play in Europe instead)
Essentially draft Vlade, by trading Kobe to an "acceptable" team, the Lakers.
"Drafting" a proven Vlade Divac with the 13th selection in the draft was not a bad move, under the circumstances. It was nothing like the straight out trade of OP for Scotty Pippen, when neither player was making demands.
Coach said:They traded a player who turned out to be one of the greatest players in NBA history -- for a 28 year old above average center who gave them two solid, if unspectacular seasons. WORST...TRADE...EVER.
DocHolliday said:I just heard about Kobe's 81 on my way into work on Stern this monring. That's just insane. It's an impressive performance, but that show's that Phil is running the offense for Kobe and only Kobe.
All in all I think it's more impressive that Chamberlin's 100. Chamberlin was decades ahead of his time. And if you take into account the talent level, and athleticism of today compared to then, it's pretty amazing. You could argue that Kobe's ahead of his time to, I don't think so. He's just a player that's above the rest, but not ahead of his time.
love_them_kings said:He really is amazing. Honestly, I hate the Lakers & have very little respect for Kobe as a person, or as a "team" player, but, man, he is incredible. I was at the Laker game, and even through he was "contained" to 52 points, he's just an incredible shooter and athlete.
Wuster said:But Kobe is a bad team player
mcsluggo said:Jordan never struck me as much of a "team player"
However it IS clear that
Pippin >>>>> Odom
Rodman or Grant >>>>>> anybody else on the Lakers
it is a little bit easier to be a "team player" when your team doesn't suck. Minus MJ the bulls where one play away from making it to the eastern conf finals. How far do you figure these lakers would go without Kobe?
Of course he should not do these things you mentioned, it would make him a team player.Gargamel said:Since then, he's done what he's had to do. Don't tell me he has to learn to trust teammates who voluntarily blow a 5 pt lead in 28 secs. Don't tell me he has to learn to trust Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm, Smush Parker, and Sasha Vujacic. He starts doing that and they miss the playoffs again.
mcsluggo said:Jordan never struck me as much of a "team player"
However it IS clear that
Pippin >>>>> Odom
Rodman or Grant >>>>>> anybody else on the Lakers
it is a little bit easier to be a "team player" when your team doesn't suck. Minus MJ the bulls where one play away from making it to the eastern conf finals. How far do you figure these lakers would go without Kobe?
thesanityannex said:Of course he should not do these things you mentioned, it would make him a team player.![]()
thesanityannex said:Of course he should not do these things you mentioned, it would make him a team player.![]()
Wuster said:Right. It is a question of overall value. In an of himself, his value is finite. High level team performance (Pistons, Spurs, etc.) wins championships. It's the way the game should be played.
Wuster said:It a chicken and the egg thing. The Lakers with Shaq were dynasty bound. Kobe pretty much single handedly destroyed that possibility.
Man, I wish that we still had the archived posts from before the Crash; the 180 by some Laker fans on Shaq is positively mind-boggling...Gargamel said:Total BS.
Shaq's poor conditioning and fat belly single-handedly destroyed that possibility.
Gargamel said:Total BS.
Shaq's poor conditioning and fat belly single-handedly destroyed that possibility.
Mr. S£im Citrus said:Man, I wish that we still had the archived posts from before the Crash; the 180 by some Laker fans on Shaq is positively mind-boggling...![]()