Kobe going for 70?

Gargamel

Gargamel

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Mr. S£im Citrus said:
Man, I wish that we still had the archived posts from before the Crash; the 180 by some Laker fans on Shaq is positively mind-boggling... :eek:
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Shaq's poor conditioning NIXED their chances at winning the 2003 title. Same as 2004 where Ben Wallace was hopping all around him for boards.

That's why he's gone now.

180 on that my booty. We all knew his conditioning would catch up to him later on.
 
Gargamel

Gargamel

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Wuster said:
You're in Laker denial. The Lakers are bad without Kobe, and Kobe is the reason the franchise is where it's at today. Get a clue.
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I know the Lakers better than you do. On that much you can rest assured.

Kobe didn't drive him out. Buss traded him so he didn't have to pay him upwards of 30 mill a year for a center on the decline w/ no guarantee of staying in shape. Look at him now.
 
Gargamel

Gargamel

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gocmen said:
But, it is very bad for his teammates. It is not because Kobe is selfish and stuff. It is because
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First, it has to sink into their thick skulls how NOT to lose games on bonehead decisions. Daddy is trying to teach them that he won't trust them until they earn it.

No more throwing the ball to Peja for a last sec loss like Cook did last year. No more passing a 5-foot game winner w/ no time left like Walton did at NY last year. No more allowing your man to go baseline 40 times like Smush let Kidd do in an OT loss this year. No more getting juked out of the building like Stoudamire did to Sasha for a game-tying three. No more missing a 1-ft shot to win a game at the buzzer like Mihm did. No more driving to the rim w/ a 5 pt lead and 28 secs like Odom did. No more leaving your man wide open for a game-tying three like Kwame did. See the progression?
 
bozzwell

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Gargamel said:
First, it has to sink into their thick skulls how NOT to lose games on bonehead decisions. Daddy is trying to teach them that he won't trust them until they earn it.

No more throwing the ball to Peja for a last sec loss like Cook did last year. No more passing a 5-foot game winner w/ no time left like Walton did at NY last year. No more allowing your man to go baseline 40 times like Smush let Kidd do in an OT loss this year. No more getting juked out of the building like Stoudamire did to Sasha for a game-tying three. No more missing a 1-ft shot to win a game at the buzzer like Mihm did. No more driving to the rim w/ a 5 pt lead and 28 secs like Odom did. No more leaving your man wide open for a game-tying three like Kwame did. See the progression?
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3 out of 7 of the above listed plays came against the Kings.

Thanks for making my day Gargamel.
 
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gocmen

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Gargamel said:
No more throwing the ball to Peja for a last sec loss like Cook did last year...
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Point taken, but still, it is bad for his teammates whether they make boneheaded plays or not. Players learn through mistakes and it is part of being a human being. Kobe, himself, made mistakes as well. In 2003, against Spurs, he ended up with a crucial travel towards the end of the game while he wanted to win the game.

As a fan, you may want your team win and in order to achieve that some players can get screwed. As an organization, you want to win it all and you can screw some players. This is all business and it will happen in every team. Still, this does not change the fact that it is bad for those players.

Oh, and as I mentioned in my previous post, it is still their problem.
 
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vladetomiller

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gocmen said:
Point taken, but still, it is bad for his teammates whether they make boneheaded plays or not. Players learn through mistakes and it is part of being a human being. Kobe, himself, made mistakes as well. In 2003, against Spurs, he ended up with a crucial travel towards the end of the game while he wanted to win the game.

As a fan, you may want your team win and in order to achieve that some players can get screwed. As an organization, you want to win it all and you can screw some players. This is all business and it will happen in every team. Still, this does not change the fact that it is bad for those players.

Oh, and as I mentioned in my previous post, it is still their problem.
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What i like about PJ is that he lets his players learn through mistakes. In the kings game he knew that Lamar made a mistake but still he gave him the ball at end of regulation. He could have easily drawn the play for Kobe to come of multiple screens to get the ball, instead it was LO who had the ball to learn.

However to balance things out he needs to let kobe takever, else they will loose forever and not make the playoffs. When you have that weapon why not use him, it would be foolish of him to not use him and the more Kobe asserts himself offensively the other players will have more space, maybe loose their confidence but thats for PJ to figure out
 
venom_7

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piksi said:
I would like to see Kobe and AI on the same team. Would be awsome to watch
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Team USA. Wow without a playmaker there, it will be ugly. Coangelo will go down as really dumb if he doesn't stick Baron Davis or Brad Miller on there. Just someone to dish.
 
sActOwnGal

sActOwnGal

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I am not a Kobe fan by any means, but what we are watching now is a legend in the making. Scoring 81 points in a single game while half the NBA teams have a hard time breaking 80 on a regular basis is an accomplishment for anybody. I hate to do it but I have to give props for Kobe. When I heard the news frommy sister, I thought she was out of her mind until I turned on ESPN. That was an amazing performance put on my a special athlete. We might not see another performance like this in our lifetime.
 
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LakerN49erChick05

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gocmen said:
It is an amazing effort indeed. I am not sure anybody can do this again soon (including Kobe himself). 55 points in one half??? 50 points is quite difficult for the whole game.


  1. This one is totally speculation, but if I was a player over there, I wouldn't be satisfied with myself. Years from now, when I look myself and ask what I have achieved... Well, I got Kobe's autograph!
But after all, it is their problem. This is still quite an achievement.
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hey, i wouldnt mind having kobe's autograph!
 
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Freakout

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gocmen said:
It is an amazing effort indeed. I am not sure anybody can do this again soon (including Kobe himself). 55 points in one half??? 50 points is quite difficult for the whole game.

But, it is very bad for his teammates. It is not because Kobe is selfish and stuff. It is because
  1. Financially they are going to be hurt when their contracts are up. Sure, some of them already earn a lot and basically getting their paychecks w/o doing anything, but this still does not change what's going to happen in the future. Plus, Mihm is earning about $4,000,000, Luke $1,250,000, Vujacic $910,000 and Smush $750,000 and they have one more year. I think these guys deserve more when time comes, but with this rate it is questionable.
  2. This one is totally speculation, but if I was a player over there, I wouldn't be satisfied with myself. Years from now, when I look myself and ask what I have achieved... Well, I got Kobe's autograph!
But after all, it is their problem. This is still quite an achievement.
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By then Brian Grant's 15 + million dollar contract is gone and LA will have around 13 million in cap space.
 
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gocmen

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Freakout said:
By then Brian Grant's 15 + million dollar contract is gone and LA will have around 13 million in cap space.
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I think you misunderstood me (or I get you wrong now :)). It is not about if LA would have the money, but it is about would these other players really be worth the money. If I'll pay more money, I'd consider spending that money on some defensively sound players since Kobe does the offense almost single handedly. Or, I'd sign them to a much cheaper contract than they are really worth for.

I was looking at this from the players' perspective, not the organizations', or fans', and this still does not shadow what Kobe has achieved.
 
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gocmen

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By the way:

http://members.aol.com/bradleyrd/eurochmp.html (you need to look towards the end)

"CENTURY SCORERS"
HTML: 
Pts. Player                                  Time
153 Erman Kunter (Turkish League)        1987-88
144 Zdenko Babic (Korac cup)             1985-86
143 Aristidis Moumoglou (Greek League)   1971-72
113 Clarens Francis (NCAA DivII)         1953-54
112 Drazen Petrovic (Yugoslavian League) 1985-86
101 Jim Signorile (B French League)      197?
101 JJ Eubanks (Israeli League)          1994-95
100 Wilt Chamberlain (NBA)               1961-62
100 Frank Selvy (NCAA DivI)              1953-54
 
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