[Game] Kings @ Wolves, 11/17/21 5pm Pacific 8pm Eastern
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And unfortunately the Kings are still stuck at the starting gate so it doesn't matter. Over the years of watching Kangz basketball of what not to do, I think there are easy and obvious rules to follow. One being regardless of ANY of that, you play to the strengths of your best players. That way, wherever it tops out you've built asset value regardless so you can eventually potentially trade that paper clip for a sports car. Two being, DON'T STACK AT A SINGLE POSITION WITH LOTTERY PICKS, and if you do, PLAY THEM ANYWAY. To win a ring, yes, there is a way to do that and a style, but to simply not suck your talent has to be your way up. Not role guys. That's what these former role player, now coaches always seem to bungle up. Especially in todays league where it's built around soft 3 point shooters peaking around pick and roll every single F'ing play. It is what it is.
Simmons is deeply flawed.
We’d be playing 4 on 5 on offense in the 4th.
Honestly, if we do trade Fox, I’d just as soon do it for a rebuilding package. McNair has already proven to be our best GM at evaluating draft talent since Petrie.
That being said…. fire Luke before trading Fox. I’m still a believer. He just needs somebody like B-Jax to bench him if he’s screwing around on defense.
We’d be playing 4 on 5 on offense in the 4th.
Honestly, if we do trade Fox, I’d just as soon do it for a rebuilding package. McNair has already proven to be our best GM at evaluating draft talent since Petrie.
That being said…. fire Luke before trading Fox. I’m still a believer. He just needs somebody like B-Jax to bench him if he’s screwing around on defense.
I don't fault Monte for taking Davion at ninth overall considering how the draft unfolded. Pretty much the only guy after Davion that you can objectively say is at a position of need for us and playing better/as good as him is Chris Duarte and he's more of a shooting guard than a wing (plus he's already almost 25).
Yeah, that too but only depending on the talent. Luka was a different scenario and generational talent. You can survive two main pick and roll options in a worst case. The issue with Vlade was the same thing that happened to Fox, they put up stumbling blocks in front of Bagley from day 1 in the form of win now veterans. No, give them the spotlight and cover those warts. That way value has a chance to remain in some facet. This hurts so bad because they legit Papa G'd him, no question about it and the winning didn't come from Bagley being minimized so in the end, they got NOTHING.
Yeah, but in a draft loaded with wing potential he certainly should have been more aggressive. And this is where Monte is judged. His coach is now starting to turn against him in terms of his roster construction, what does he do? I ain't seeing this Davion can play PF stuff here. Just like we never saw Nik can play PG from Malone. There has hardly been a legit attempt.
What rebuilding package could you possibly get though? If I'm a GM with a young unproven star still not on a max contract, there's no way I'm trading him for Fox who isn't an allstar/hasn't led a team to playoffs etc. That's what makes the Simmons situation unique. Like it or not, the team is constructed to be competing for the playoffs in the next 3 years. There's no way around it aside from blowing it up completely because the rest of the team is too good for us to be able to tank effectively. There aren't many teams who are ready to compete who are looking for a scoring PG; in most cases they already have one.
That’s what I’d prefer. Not saying I know how to get it, that’s a Monte problem!
…. Admittedly this response isn’t doing my “don’t trade for Simmons” stance any favors. And honestly, I’d be less angry about such a trade today than if it happened before this season.
I suppose when it gets down to it, I’m still in the keep Fox camp, because I don’t see a neat solution out there, aside from firing our incompetent coach, but then we have to figure out a replacement….
…. Admittedly this response isn’t doing my “don’t trade for Simmons” stance any favors. And honestly, I’d be less angry about such a trade today than if it happened before this season.
I suppose when it gets down to it, I’m still in the keep Fox camp, because I don’t see a neat solution out there, aside from firing our incompetent coach, but then we have to figure out a replacement….
For what and why? Barnes and Buddy have been the least of our problems this season and that Barnes-Boston Celtics trade that some people randomly latched onto like a leech onto a water buffalo looks even worse in hindsight with Langford and Nesmith not even looking like NBA players and that mid-round pick not really netting anyone special.
I haven't given up on fox or this team. I've given up on this coach. We have plenty of talent. We need discipline and scheme. We need to figure out what the plan is every dam game and go for it win or lose. We went from playing fast, to playing thru Barnes, to swing iso ball. To buddy 3s to rebounds only to whatever is next game. Give me an identity please! All these pieces takes a great coach because it's not natural to have a 3 guard system. It can work for sure, with the right coach
I don't understand how you come into the season without both a stretch big (Metu sucks he's super low IQ and horrid shot selection) and with only 1 wing player in Barnes (Harkless is trash). The Kings got Len/TT/Jones/Bagley and Holmes who all basically do the same thing this is shocking roster construction. The teams that paired James Johnson and Tyreke Evans made more sense than this one.
Disagree and Tristan isn't our leader fox is. And by him saying pretty much we have no star (and we dont) is a diss on our max potential star who thinks he's already a star. Therefore we need a coach for motivation more than ever. Not a bench player who's never really been good trying to be the leader we don't need.
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