Kings Will Listen To Trade Offers For Tyreke Evans

[Capt. Factorial]

Let's run this thru trade checker:

Incoming:

- Cheap, movable pieces with long contracts that will hamper us for years to come

Outgoing:

- Tyereke Evans
- Whatever little dignity and respect remains for the Kings in the league

TRADE ACCEPTED

Go Geoff!!!

Can we actually wait and see if our front office does something stupid before calling them on it? Or is that too much to ask?

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

So many variables.

If we land a draft pick that will net us either Davis or MKG, everything changes. I firmly believe that.

One of IT/MT/Evans needs to go for us to be successful. I would trade Thomas first, Thornton second, Evans third. Now, the kicker here is that Evans is worth the most. What is his value? hard to predict, but there are a handful of players that COULD be available that I would consider moving him in a package for.... this is also under the impression that things work out for us in the draft, and we land either Davis or MKG.

I think there is some potential with Utah. Say we draft MKG, we could then swing Evans and Jimmer to Utah for Favors/Pick/Hayward ... but I'm pretty high on Favors.

I think there is a chance the Grizzlies move Rudy Gay. I still like the Rondo idea. Granger is always a possibility.... Josh Smith.

I'm not saying any of these moves would be 1 for 1, but I'm not going to get upset over a Tyreke Evans deal when we don't even know what it looks like. God knows there are plenty of other reasons to be upset with this team.

 

[hrdboild]

Can we actually wait and see if our front office does something stupid before calling them on it? Or is that too much to ask?

It's just gallows humor Capt. Anything to lighten the mood and get us through another season of mediocrity is a positive I say.

 

[Kingster]

Barring an unforseen event, I'll still be here. I have no feelings about trading Tyreke one way or the other, until I see who or what he was traded for. To take the position that he's so good, he can't be traded and the world will end if he is, is just nuts. I was one of the first that suggested we draft him when we lost out in the lottery. I thought he could be a star in the league, and I still do. But the onnus is on him!!!!!! Does the team have a hand in the responsibility? Damm right they do! But no one made Lebron a star but Lebron. Ditto Jordan, Bird, etc.

Great stars work their butts off to become as good as they can be. I seriously doubt that Tyreke has done that. Yes, he's made progress since he's been here, but nothing to make you stand up and take notice. He's essentially the same player. Thats still a good player, a solid NBA player. Great right? No, because he walks around with the mantle of great player hanging on him. Let me put it this way. If Jimmer ended up being as good as Tyreke is right now, most of us, except for the idiots out there, would be estatic. But thats not good enough for Tyreke.

So it all comes down to expectations and fit. A player, rightly or wrongly is stuck with our expectations of him. He's stuck with the teams expectations of him. And unfortunately, anything less than those expectations, adds up to failure in many eyes. I think the team has already had offers for Tyreke, and may have already accepted one. No crystal ball here! Just a feeling. Because when rumblings like were hearing start coming out of the head office, it usually means the front office is laying the ground work in advance. Sort of flying trial balloons if you will.

So for those of you that love Tryeke, and didn't even know who he was when we drafted him, that scenario could repeat itself again. Here's a thought for you. Last night we played the team that has the best chance for the first pick in the draft. And do you know who had the biggest hand in destroying them? Tyreke! Something to think about..

Yes, interesting thoughts. It wouldn't surprise me that they've already have an "understanding" with a team. Also, it's not a bad thought about the Bobs. That's why I had the thought about Utah, but you you shot that one down!

Hey, I look at this situation like I did with Cousins. I didn't want him because of his immaturity and attitude and his college coach screaming at him all the time. But at the end of the day, when Petrie made his choice, I went along with it because Petrie had much more information at his diposal about Cousins than I did (Background checks and detective agencies for all I know). So, just like with Cousins, if they decide to trade Tyreke, they are going to have a lot more info to work with than anybody on this board. Unlike Petrie & Co., we can't attend every single practice, see what's behind the scenes, and keep tabs on what he's doing in the offseason. Here's hoping they make the right decision.

 

[gunks]

If we pull some kind of wacky draft day coup that has us getting both MKG and Davis via lotto luck and a Reke trade...I'm down.


Probably the best case scenario with moving Reke.

More likely that we'll fall to the lowest possible pick in the lotto, and then trade Reke for Jennings

 

[HndsmCelt]

I would HATE to see Tyreke go, but here is the problem the Maloofs have got themselves into. With a hideous record, a DOA arena deal and the move talks from last season, none of the top free agents will sign here so the only way to bring in the experience and proven talent the team needs will be through a trade. As I learned in 4th grade when all you have to trade is a sardine sandwich you just cannot expect Twinkies in return. If Cousins is off limits, then the most valuable piece for trade becomes Tyreke. I will go nuts if they trade him for anything but an elite starter but we do need somehow land, a starting SF, a talented PG and I would also love to see an upgrade in our bigs rotation. Somewhere in all that we need an experienced vet, so unless we can trade draft picks and junk our other options Thorton or Tyreke.

So am I upset about the team liteing to offers, no, I am uset about making it public, and I will loose it the trade looks like the Webber deal or even the Udrich trade.

 

[Kingster]

So many variables.

If we land a draft pick that will net us either Davis or MKG, everything changes. I firmly believe that.

One of IT/MT/Evans needs to go for us to be successful. I would trade Thomas first, Thornton second, Evans third. Now, the kicker here is that Evans is worth the most. What is his value? hard to predict, but there are a handful of players that COULD be available that I would consider moving him in a package for.... this is also under the impression that things work out for us in the draft, and we land either Davis or MKG.

I think there is some potential with Utah. Say we draft MKG, we could then swing Evans and Jimmer to Utah for Favors/Pick/Hayward ... but I'm pretty high on Favors.

I think there is a chance the Grizzlies move Rudy Gay. I still like the Rondo idea. Granger is always a possibility.... Josh Smith.

I'm not saying any of these moves would be 1 for 1, but I'm not going to get upset over a Tyreke Evans deal when we don't even know what it looks like. God knows there are plenty of other reasons to be upset with this team.

I would do the exact opposite - Tyreke, Thornton, IT. You must be my mirror image!

 

[Gary]

Can't take John Wall. If we lose Tyreke Evans its as a direct result of pandering to the Hustlin' Husky! Maybe we could bring Wall off the bench or something. Or play him at SF.

I would think you would dump Smart as you trade for Wall so that wouldn't happen. I would rather have a wait and see attitude with Evans. Try to work with him over the summer and see if he takes to a SG role and move MT/IT to the bench and draft a big, and maybe an "off the ball PG". Someone who can bring the ball up but not really control the offense more than 35% of the time. Kind of a Beno role, which Evans played better in.

 

[Mass]

I believe a lot of us are angry about the idea of trading Tyreke because we believe that we will be the losing part of the trade. The Kings have an history of bad trades that scares me. Also, I don't believe they would move Tyreke to make this team better, but just because he is up for his new contract next year and the Maloofs don't want to pay for him.

Of course, if trading tyreke would land us Davis and MKG, I could be ok with it. But I have very little faith in this management, and at this point I really believe no move is good move. Just think about how better we could be just by doing nothing last summer. Not signing Chuck and Outlaw, not trading down to get Jimmer and Salmons, keeping Beno and Dalembert and using our 7th pick on Leonard.

 

[Section 101]

I would think you would dump Smart as you trade for Wall so that wouldn't happen. I would rather have a wait and see attitude with Evans. Try to work with him over the summer and see if he takes to a SG role and move MT/IT to the bench and draft a big, and maybe an "off the ball PG". Someone who can bring the ball up but not really control the offense more than 35% of the time. Kind of a Beno role, which Evans played better in.

I think your both wrong. Smart is tied to MT more than IT. Which is the bigger issue of why he won't move him to the bench.

 

[bajaden]

That's why I had the thought about Utah, but you you shot that one down!

I actually liked the idea. I just shot it down to irritate you!

 

[Kingster]

I believe a lot of us are angry about the idea of trading Tyreke because we believe that we will be the losing part of the trade. The Kings have an history of bad trades that scares me. Also, I don't believe they would move Tyreke to make this team better, but just because he is up for his new contract next year and the Maloofs don't want to pay for him.

Of course, if trading tyreke would land us Davis and MKG, I could be ok with it. But I have very little faith in this management, and at this point I really believe no move is good move. Just think about how better we could be just by doing nothing last summer. Not signing Chuck and Outlaw, not trading down to get Jimmer and Salmons, keeping Beno and Dalembert and using our 7th pick on Leonard.

This is a very sensible post. If Tyreke is traded, it's going to be all about what we get in return. The pain will subside quickly if we we really get a quality player, and the pain will be very longlasting if we don't.

 

[mac]

I would think you would dump Smart as you trade for Wall so that wouldn't happen. I would rather have a wait and see attitude with Evans. Try to work with him over the summer and see if he takes to a SG role and move MT/IT to the bench and draft a big, and maybe an "off the ball PG". Someone who can bring the ball up but not really control the offense more than 35% of the time. Kind of a Beno role, which Evans played better in.

Thank you. I agree 100%, though I'm not entirely sold on the SG role. At the end of the day I really think it's how about how he is used VS what position he is supposedly played at, because Keith Smart can have his Center playing a PG role on any given night. I also shudder to think what would happen if we used Tyreke at SG exactly the same way we do Thornton. Defensively of course he'd probably be best suited at the 2.

I posted this somewhere earlier, but I actually think IT can become that Beno-like player for us. Good shooter and playmaker, runs the break well and can get to the rim, but he'll have to give the ball up more like you said, and move without the ball more. Then we can bring Jimmer/MT/Twill off the bench so we'll still have playmakers and guys that can score.

 

[mac]

This is a very sensible post. If Tyreke is traded, it's going to be all about what we get in return. The pain will subside quickly if we we really get a quality player, and the pain will be very longlasting if we don't.

Yup, that's pretty much it. If in 3 years we find ourselves being one of the top teams in the league, then there's nothing to be angry about, even if Tyreke Evans goes on to be a superstar on another team. If Tyreke Evans goes on to lead said team to good playoff run and we are stuck where we are, with a dumb*** coach and all, then get your pitchforks ready. And start pleading with DMC not to leave. Hindsight is 20/20, but my main issue is that we shouldn't jump the gun and trade Evans. Give him some time, another season or whatever, and if he still hasn't improved then ship him out and don't look back.

 

[Bricklayer]

Would you really trade this player?

22yrs old 6'6" 229lb 16.8pts (.456) 4.4reb 4.2ast 1.2stl 0.2blk 2.0TO


YES!!:

Spoiler

Congrats on having just traded Brandon Roy after his rookie season! Contact David Kahn immediately for employment opportunities.
Reke's stats btw:
22yrs old 6'6" 225lb 16.4pts (.448) 4.6reb 4.5ast 1.3stl 0.5blk 2.7TO

NO!

Spoiler

Wise man = you get a pretty girl! If you ARE a girl...er...you still get a pretty girl. Sorry.

 

[Bballkingsrock]

Would you really trade this player?

22yrs old 6'6" 229lb 16.8pts (.456) 4.4reb 4.2ast 1.2stl 0.2blk 2.0TO

Spoiler

Congrats on having just traded Brandon Roy after his rookie season!
Reke's stats btw:
22yrs old 6'6" 225lb 16.4pts (.448) 4.6reb 4.5ast 1.3stl 0.5blk 2.7TO

This guy actually had signs of a mid-range shot while the other has had little to no progress in the last 3 years of his basketball career.

Not totally similar.

 

[Bricklayer]

This guy actually had signs of a mid-range shot while the other has had little to no progress in the last 3 years of his basketball career.

Not totally similar.

He did have signs of a midrange shot. He also was not REMOTELY as potent to the hoop, or as strong a defender. People are completely fascinated by waht Reke does NOT have, to the point they've gone completely blind to what he DOES have that the other guys don't.

 

[VF21]

The OP quoted an article in the Bee that said:

The Kings will evaluate trade proposals for Tyreke Evans this summer, according to a report.

That is about as big a non-story as any the Bee has ever printed and yet a few posters are convinced that Evans is on his way out the door. Since the next part of the article included a quote from Coachie on what Evans needs to do to improve, I'm far from convinced the front office is going to trade Evans away. I cannot think of the last time they actually traded away a young player with a potential anywhere in the same universe as Evans. I do not think the contract situation is anywhere near as critical as some think, and I simply cannot/will not buy into the idea that Evans will be moved.

Every team listens to offers for their top players. If I were to hazard a guess, it would be that maybe 1 in 100 offers over the course of a season is actually finalized. My math could be off but I know there are a lot of "hey, let's see what happens if we offer Player A for Player B just because..."

 

[swisshh]

Can we actually wait and see if our front office does something stupid before calling them on it? Or is that too much to ask?

I don't know. At this point, the Kings getting equal value in a trade seems to be asking too much of the front office. Actually, getting a player that finishes the season on the team as a active player in return on a trade is asking more than what the FO has been able to do.

 

[hrdboild]

The OP quoted an article in the Bee that said:



That is about as big a non-story as any the Bee has ever printed and yet a few posters are convinced that Evans is on his way out the door. Since the next part of the article included a quote from Coachie on what Evans needs to do to improve, I'm far from convinced the front office is going to trade Evans away. I cannot think of the last time they actually traded away a young player with a potential anywhere in the same universe as Evans. I do not think the contract situation is anywhere near as critical as some think, and I simply cannot/will not buy into the idea that Evans will be moved.

Every team listens to offers for their top players. If I were to hazard a guess, it would be that maybe 1 in 100 offers over the course of a season is actually finalized. My math could be off but I know there are a lot of "hey, let's see what happens if we offer Player A for Player B just because..."

It's not the article itself that bothers me, it's the sequence of events it hints at.

(1) Tyreke suffers through a mediocre season last year and Westphal responds by spending the extended off-season devising an offense which relies heavily on Salmons, Thornton, and Jimmer handling the ball.
(2) Keith Smart takes over and announces that he plans to make Tyreke the best PG he can be and Tyreke starts to play like his old self again.
(3) Salmons and Jimmer play their way out of the rotation and Isaiah Thomas is gradually given a bigger role as Tyreke is moved to SF and finds himself marginalized in the offense yet again.
(4) The MSE hype machine goes into overdrive over Isaiah Thomas' ROY credentials (or is that just Grant and Jerry?)
(5) After 6 weeks of frustration, Tyreke starts to send out feelers about his dissatisfaction with his role.

Petrie may or may not have Tyreke on the trading block, but right now the franchise as a whole is not sending a strong message that he's a valued part of their future. I've been as patient as I can be with this long rebuilding process, but after seeing so many of our former stars shipped out unceremoniously I can't escape the feeling of waiting for the other shoe to drop.

That Voison sees this as an opportunity to beat the "we need a real PG" drum for the upteenth time is in no way surprising, but it frustrates me to no end that she continues to use her privileged position as one of the few staff writers for the major Sacramento newspaper to trumpet her favorite players and take jabs at everyone else. This story is now going to get blogged and re-blogged and the message that the Kings are less than satisfied with Tyreke's performance is now out there in the public consciousness whether it has any merit or not. If the Maloofs do get run out of town, hopefully they can take Ailene with them. They deserve each other.

 

[VF21]

Petrie may or may not have Tyreke on the trading block, but right now the franchise as a whole is not sending a strong message that he's a valued part of their future. I've been as patient as I can be with this long rebuilding process, but after seeing so many of our former stars shipped out unceremoniously I can't escape the feeling of waiting for the other shoe to drop.

That Voison sees this as an opportunity to beat the "we need a real PG" drum for the upteenth time is in no way surprising, but it frustrates me to no end that she continues to use her privileged position as one of the few staff writers for the major Sacramento newspaper to trumpet her favorite players and take jabs at everyone else. This story is now going to get blogged and re-blogged and the message that the Kings are less than satisfied with Tyreke's performance is now out there in the public consciousness whether it has any merit or not. If the Maloofs do get run out of time, hopefully they can take Ailene with them. They deserve each other.

I know where you're coming from, and will admit to having some reservations/qualms myself. However, I also think it was very telling that Grant had a sit-down interview with Tyreke to discuss his plans for his summer, including the shooting coach, almost immediately after the Voisin article. And that they discussed what the team would need from Evans down the road.

Remember that Ricky Rubio was Voisin's choice and she was not happy that he wasn't drafted by the Kings. I don't think she's ever totally forgiven Evans for taking Rubio's spot. I've been frustrated with Voisin's columns for years but take a bit of solace in the fact that few seem to buy into her opinions without a huge grain of salt.

 

[bajaden]

Would you really trade this player?

22yrs old 6'6" 229lb 16.8pts (.456) 4.4reb 4.2ast 1.2stl 0.2blk 2.0TO


YES!!:

Spoiler

Congrats on having just traded Brandon Roy after his rookie season! Contact David Kahn immediately for employment opportunities.
Reke's stats btw:
22yrs old 6'6" 225lb 16.4pts (.448) 4.6reb 4.5ast 1.3stl 0.5blk 2.7TO

NO!

Spoiler

Wise man = you get a pretty girl! If you ARE a girl...er...you still get a pretty girl. Sorry.

Well, I don't want to, but never say never. I think it would depend on what the offer is. So, without knowing that, I can't really answer that question. Let me ask you this. What if the Thunder offered Ibaka for Tryeke. Tempting no? What would you do?

 

[VF21]

Well, I don't want to, but never say never. I think it would depend on what the offer is. So, without knowing that, I can't really answer that question. Let me ask you this. What if the Thunder offered Ibaka for Tryeke. Tempting no? What would you do?

I wouldn't trade Evans to a Western Conference team.

 

[mac]

Well, I don't want to, but never say never. I think it would depend on what the offer is. So, without knowing that, I can't really answer that question. Let me ask you this. What if the Thunder offered Ibaka for Tryeke. Tempting no? What would you do?

Well they wouldn't of course. But let's say they did, it'd be after we knew our draft position whereby we'd be better able to see the need for Ibaka on the team. Personally, I wouldn't this offseason. If Tyreke stays the same player and it was an offer at the next deadline then I'd do it (assuming we don't have Davis). But again, the Thunder simply wouldn't, because they have no need for Tyreke.

 

[Sac.1989]

It would take alot for GP to turn his form around and land us the better end if this blockbuster would go down. People around here done joke about the whole moveable pieces saga for no reason.

I very much fear, like many on this board, that trading tyreke means we get the short end of the deal.

 

[LWP777]

You guys act like Tyreke has the killer instinct of a Kobe Bryant and if we traded him a Western Conf team he would go off on us every time we played against him. But see, that's the thing about Tyreke, he doesn't have a killer instinct. That's why he disappears every 3rd game. I love the kid and he's a nice player but if we were to get some decent assets in return for him it wouldn't be a big deal to trade him IMO.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

You guys act like Tyreke has the killer instinct of a Kobe Bryant and if we traded him a Western Conf team he would go off on us every time we played against him. But see, that's the thing about Tyreke, he doesn't have a killer instinct. That's why he disappears every 3rd game. I love the kid and he's a nice player but if we were to get some decent assets in return for him it wouldn't be a big deal to trade him IMO.

The frustrating thing is that there are times when he looks like a top 5 talent... games where he just looks like an unstoppable train. The crazy comeback game in Chicago during his rookie year comes to mind. The problem, like you said, is that it doesn't happen enough. Not only that, but it is happening LESS. We can blame that on the '3 guard lineup' but it wasn't happening earlier in the year either. To be fair, I think he has looked better lately .. better than he was a month ago.

Which is why we are in such a tough spot. Does he get better and start to take over more often or does he stay the same? That by default lowers his value (each year older he gets without progression is devaluing him as an asset). The question you start asking is "Will he ever be worth as much as he is worth right now?" It sure seems like we would be selling LOW at this point, which is obviously bad that his value has already dropped since his rookie year, were you could make the case that he was the #1 asset (in terms of age + potential) in the entire league when he won ROY.

Tough.

 

[mac]

The frustrating thing is that there are times when he looks like a top 5 talent... games where he just looks like an unstoppable train. The crazy comeback game in Chicago during his rookie year comes to mind. The problem, like you said, is that it doesn't happen enough. Not only that, but it is happening LESS. We can blame that on the '3 guard lineup' but it wasn't happening earlier in the year either. To be fair, I think he has looked better lately .. better than he was a month ago.

Which is why we are in such a tough spot. Does he get better and start to take over more often or does he stay the same? That by default lowers his value (each year older he gets without progression is devaluing him as an asset). The question you start asking is "Will he ever be worth as much as he is worth right now?" It sure seems like we would be selling LOW at this point, which is obviously bad that his value has already dropped since his rookie year, were you could make the case that he was the #1 asset (in terms of age + potential) in the entire league when he won ROY.

Tough.

He's also in a tough position because right now, there is NO way in hell Keith Smart would even let him try to take over. He gets benched even when he plays well, and sits out for long periods of time. So to be aggressive he needs the ball - which Smart does not allow. And to please the coach and fans, he needs to be aggressive. And this is before we even talk about confidence, rhythm etc.

 

[Bricklayer]

You guys act like Tyreke has the killer instinct of a Kobe Bryant and if we traded him a Western Conf team he would go off on us every time we played against him. But see, that's the thing about Tyreke, he doesn't have a killer instinct. That's why he disappears every 3rd game. I love the kid and he's a nice player but if we were to get some decent assets in return for him it wouldn't be a big deal to trade him IMO.

People really have no idea I think. Its kind of frightening really. Tyreke Evans is the 2nd most talented rookie ever to pass through this franchise in its 27 years in Sacto. And 2nd only because we drafted a real doozy the next year. You don't worry about Tyreke coming back to beat on us especially, although given our guards and defense he would annihilate us on any given night. But you worry about him getting it together and beating on EVERYBODY while we putz around whining about what could have been. You don't worry about a Mike Bibby or Kevin Martin going to other teams because they are already maxed out, and at a level below turn it on take on all comers stars. They are limited players having to work hard just to maintain their position in the league let alone beat up on you. There are no such limits on Tyreke Evans. Add a jumper, get the right coaching, and there is nobody in the league he would have to fear. He becomes one of the big dogs everybody ELSE fears, and for a pathetic little franchise sitting around with its broke owners in its decrepit old building named after a defunct scam company, that would be just about the most devastating development in franchise history. There is no greater mistake you can make.

Then of course the potential double doozy comes when your volatile young center sees it happen, hears about it from other players and hangers on, and begins to get frustrated with your incompetence. Then you've killed everything and lost a whole generation. Then you've become the Clippers while the real Clippes go on to contention, finally becoming THE laughingstock of the league with no challengers. And, I think, finally gutted your fanbase of a large chunk of its most dedicated long term fans as well.

 

[Bricklayer]

The frustrating thing is that there are times when he looks like a top 5 talent... games where he just looks like an unstoppable train. The crazy comeback game in Chicago during his rookie year comes to mind. The problem, like you said, is that it doesn't happen enough. Not only that, but it is happening LESS. We can blame that on the '3 guard lineup' but it wasn't happening earlier in the year either. To be fair, I think he has looked better lately .. better than he was a month ago.

Which is why we are in such a tough spot. Does he get better and start to take over more often or does he stay the same? That by default lowers his value (each year older he gets without progression is devaluing him as an asset). The question you start asking is "Will he ever be worth as much as he is worth right now?" It sure seems like we would be selling LOW at this point, which is obviously bad that his value has already dropped since his rookie year, were you could make the case that he was the #1 asset (in terms of age + potential) in the entire league when he won ROY.

Tough.

I sometimes think I was the only guy watching the Kings the first half of this year. Reke's problem this year was NOT that he was not having a lot of big games. It was that he was mixing in real bad ones with the big games. During that 22 game stretch as a PG under Smart he averaged 18.3pts 5.6reb 5.9ast and 1.7stls, but on only .411 shooting. Almost half of those 22 games were big games:

01/05 MIL 26pts 10reb 5ast
01/08 ORL 28pts 3reb 8ast
01/11 @TOR 29pts 7reb 3ast
01/13 @HOU 27pts 6reb 5ast
01/20 @SAS 23pts 11reb 7ast
01/28 @UTH 31pts 6reb 9ast
01/31 @GSW 22pts 10reb 9ast
02/04 GSW 26pts 4reb 9ast
02/14 CHI 27pts 8reb 8ast

His inconsistency was maddening, but the big game player hadn't gone anywhere. He's just been sent to the corner now and told to stay out of the way of the great things we are doing by his own coach. We have gone 11-24 since that brilliant decision. Chances are good it will be 11-25 after tongiht. So you can see it was a worthwhile move to make.