Kings Will Listen To Trade Offers For Tyreke Evans

[LWP777]

I'll actually take this a step further. A three step process:

1) If we trade Tyreke
2) and he blows up for another franchise
3) and we eventually lose Cousins because we can't get him the wingman he needs

I am out. Done. And it will be a ****ing relief believe me. I have tolerated the fools of this franchise for a long time. But if they **** up the no brainer, if they **** up the thing that no other franchis in the league ****s up...then there is no hope, and I'm not going to waste anymore time on them. They can rot.

Wow! I can't believe that trading Reke would be the one thing that puts you over the edge! You would think that having suffered through years of the Maloofs, GP's terrible trades and signings, our horrible arena, Chris Webber's knee injury, getting screwed in the Lakers series, Robert Horry's shot, Kenny Natt, Eric Mussleman, Reggie Theus, Paul Westphal, Keith Smart, Garry St. Jean, Eddie Jordan, Dick Motta, Bill Russell, drafting Pervis Ellison, Bobby Hurley's car accident, Ricky Berry's suicide, never getting lucky in the draft lottery, and countless seasons of being one of the worst franchises in the history of sports would have been enough for you already!

 

[Mass]

I'll actually take this a step further. A three step process:

1) If we trade Tyreke
2) and he blows up for another franchise
3) and we eventually lose Cousins because we can't get him the wingman he needs

I am out. Done. And it will be a ****ing relief believe me. I have tolerated the fools of this franchise for a long time. But if they **** up the no brainer, if they **** up the thing that no other franchis in the league ****s up...then there is no hope, and I'm not going to waste anymore time on them. They can rot.

I'm with you here.

If they end up screwing up the whole thing, I'm done. I'm sure the Warriors need a new fan. Everyone in here could run this franchise much much better than the ones in charge right now. No doubt about it. I can't believe they are so stupid. Well, even a 12-year-old boy with 2k12 could do a better job.
So frustrating.

 

[hrdboild]

Wow! I can't believe that trading Reke would be the one thing that puts you over the edge! You would think that having suffered through years of the Maloofs, GP's terrible trades and signings, our horrible arena, Chris Webber's knee injury, getting screwed in the Lakers series, Robert Horry's shot, Kenny Natt, Eric Mussleman, Reggie Theus, Paul Westphal, Keith Smart, Garry St. Jean, Eddie Jordan, Dick Motta, Bill Russell, drafting Pervis Ellison, Bobby Hurley's car accident, Ricky Berry's suicide, never getting lucky in the draft lottery, and countless seasons of being one of the worst franchises in the history of sports would have been enough for you already!

It has a cumulative effect -- I know because I'm getting to that point too. What sustains you through the bad times is the hope that things can get better. If the powers that be manage to screw up drafting 2 franchise players in consecutive years, then what hope is there that you will ever get better? Some of what you mentioned is bad luck, but some of it is sheer incompetence. And the quantity of the latter is reaching critical mass.

 

[rainmaker]

Yeah, I feel pretty much the same as Brick and others and have for a little while now. Will be very telling if there's a coaching change sometime in June/July and what the direction of this franchise is.

If Reke walked, or we trade him for anything less than equal value, which in my mind means equal value to Reke in his prime, then I'll be very disappointed, will not root as much for this team, but Cuz would still keep me interested and a fan. But, if we were to then lose Cuz, because he realizes IT isn't nearly as good a wingman as Reke, then I'm pretty much done. Then I start probably become a fan of where ever Cuz ends up. At that point we would have not only been losing and an uncompetitive lottery team for close to a decade, but the foundational pieces we would have acquired during the period are now gone, because of the idiots in our FO. I would not sit around and hope for the culture to all the sudden change after screwing up the the few and only positives to come out of an atrocious decade of sucktitude.

 

[bajaden]

You don't have a clue what I meant and that's OK. Obviously you know it all but to make a comment without putting an ounce of effort into the intent of my note shows the disdain you have for my opinion.

Excuse me! If I had disdain for you I wouldn't have responded to you at all. To be honest, I thought you were just kidding.

"Let's not get picky. Let's involve in trade talks with anyone who thinks they can make use of Tyreke who also has a player we can use. The specifics aren't important."

Thats your quote! I responded to exactly what you said, and I didn't make it personal. But you are! If thats not what you mean't, then you didn't explain yourself clearly. Or, perhaps I need to brush up on my reading comprehension. Now I wasn't trying to start a fight with you, but if thats what you want, then bring it on pal!!!! I'm not in the mood for a bunch of crap. Now how's that for a fricking ounce of effort.

 

[VF21]

Um, gentlemen? If you want to continue the pissing contest, could you please do so via PMs? Thanks ever so.

 

[bajaden]

Um, gentlemen? If you want to continue the pissing contest, could you please do so via PMs? Thanks ever so.

Thank you for the compliment! And hopefully my PM box is full..

 

[BMiller52]

I wonder if we don't get the first pick, if we could combine our pick and Tyreke and move up and get Anthony Davis? Would you guys do it?

 

[hrdboild]

I wonder if we don't get the first pick, if we could combine our pick and Tyreke and move up and get Anthony Davis? Would you guys do it?

http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?44880-Would-you-Anthony-Davis-as-a-King.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

I wonder if we don't get the first pick, if we could combine our pick and Tyreke and move up and get Anthony Davis? Would you guys do it?

that could probably get it done but why?

reke is a stud. the 1st pick will be a serviceable player. too much to give up imo.

 

[BMiller52]

that could probably get it done but why?

reke is a stud. the 1st pick will be a serviceable player. too much to give up imo.

Anthony Davis is going to be way better than serviceable. A AD+DMC frontline could be the best in the NBA for the next 15 years. We have a bunch of guards already. I would say we'd atleast have to consider it.

 

[Spike]

I'll actually take this a step further. A three step process:

1) If we trade Tyreke
2) and he blows up for another franchise
3) and we eventually lose Cousins because we can't get him the wingman he needs

I am out. Done. And it will be a ****ing relief believe me. I have tolerated the fools of this franchise for a long time. But if they **** up the no brainer, if they **** up the thing that no other franchis in the league ****s up...then there is no hope, and I'm not going to waste anymore time on them. They can rot.

It's gonna get empty in here, cause this is my last straw.

 

[Anthony1]

Anthony Davis is going to be way better than serviceable. A AD+DMC frontline could be the best in the NBA for the next 15 years. We have a bunch of guards already. I would say we'd atleast have to consider it.

It's not going to happen unless we get the 2nd or 3rd pick in the draft (maybe 4th). Unfortunately, Tyreke's NBA value has taken a major nosedive this season. If one of the 5 worst teams in the NBA can't find a place to put Tyreke, why would any other team? I know that's ludicrous when you really think about it, but still, other GM's out there are going to be cognizant of this. The GM's of the league will try to lowball us like none other. But low, sell high. Unfortunately if we try to trade Tyreke now, we are buying extremely high, and selling very low. Just doesn't make good business sense.

Arn Tellem has to know what's going on right now. He has to try to convince Tyreke to start complaining about playing the SF position. Hopefully, that, along with GP coming to realize that if we are getting anything for our former #4 overall pick we need to put him back at the spot he played when he was a rookie sensation. We need to force feed Reke the ball, and run the offense threw him. The Kings, and Arn Tellem and Tyreke himself, need his statistical performances to be off the charts, regardless of wins and losses. It's like when you take a mediocre home, and you paint the walls, put in new carpet, and bake an apple pie before the Open House. I think they call it "staging". We need to do that with Tyreke next year. Need to do everything in our power to get his NBA stock back on the upswing, and then right at the trading deadline, part ways with the guy.

But we MUST GET SOMETHING FOR HIM... Not 2 or 3 mediocre players. It has to be one VERY legit player, or if a draft pick is going to be involved, it has to be for the perfect scenario.

Assuming Charlotte get's the No.1 spot, I just can't see them passing on Anthony Davis. I think Michael Jordan just doesn't want to be known as the guy that passed on a sure thing, and instead traded out of the No.1 spot. Having said that.... if they do trade out of No.1, then I'd have to think that they would trade down just 1 or 2, maybe 3 spots. It would guarantee them their choice of Gilchrist, Drummond or Robinson. So, we would absolutely have to end up at No.2, No.3 or maybe No.4 to have a chance of working out a deal with them.

 

[Arkitect]

I have absolutely no hope that Petrie would be able to pull off a trade that actually was a net benefit for us. His worst moments as GM have been in trading star players. Not only are we going to lose a very solid young player, we aren't going to get anything of value. Spare parts anyone?

I can tolerate the losing. I can tolerate the horrible luck of this franchise. I can even tolerate the idiots who own the team. But when the entire front office and ownership are willing to ship out the 2nd best player on the team and ROTY winner before his rookie contract is up for what will no doubt be a terrible deal, I am getting to the point of being fed up. And if we lose DMC because of it, I am going to have a hard time being a Kings fans with the inmates running the asylum. There is no sure thing in this draft on the level of an LBJ. Even getting the 1st pick in this draft is not enough for Reke. Davis will most likely be a very good player, but I can't think of many defensive superstars in the NBA.

 

[Tetsujin]

I have absolutely no hope that Petrie would be able to pull off a trade that actually was a net benefit for us. His worst moments as GM have been in trading star players. Not only are we going to lose a very solid young player, we aren't going to get anything of value. Spare parts anyone?

I can tolerate the losing. I can tolerate the horrible luck of this franchise. I can even tolerate the idiots who own the team. But when the entire front office and ownership are willing to ship out the 2nd best player on the team and ROTY winner before his rookie contract is up for what will no doubt be a terrible deal, I am getting to the point of being fed up. And if we lose DMC because of it, I am going to have a hard time being a Kings fans with the inmates running the asylum. There is no sure thing in this draft on the level of an LBJ. Even getting the 1st pick in this draft is not enough for Reke. Davis will most likely be a very good player, but I can't think of many defensive superstars in the NBA.

Bill Russell? Dennis Rodman?

 

[swisshh]

To be honest, Dwight Howard has mostly been a defensive star in the league. He gets points due to athletic advantage, but his offensive game was last to develop and is still pretty weak. His worth was always about the defensive end of the game and what Orlando is built around.

 

[kennadog]

I'll actually take this a step further. A three step process:

1) If we trade Tyreke
2) and he blows up for another franchise
3) and we eventually lose Cousins because we can't get him the wingman he needs

I am out. Done. And it will be a ****ing relief believe me. I have tolerated the fools of this franchise for a long time. But if they **** up the no brainer, if they **** up the thing that no other franchise in the league ****s up...then there is no hope, and I'm not going to waste anymore time on them. They can rot.

I probably wouldn't be done, but I'm a masochist. I still think Reke is a unique player that has just been ill-used by this team. Cousins and Tyreke are two great talents. I'd probably be ready to trade the entire rest of the team before them.

Unfortunately, this team isn't going anywhere, unless the Maloofs actually spend some money and that means money on a MUCH better coach. Although as long as the Maloof clowns own this team, I can't imagine anybody any good wants to come to Sac anymore (players or coaches).

Worse, if anybody good does come here, they will probably be less good here, because of the lousy cloud of failure that is hanging over the franchise right now.

In a magical world, where I could trade anybody, I'd trade our ownership for Burkle.

 

[Sac.1989]

Theres just so much uncertainty and we can all see it going the wrong way. From the arena to evans to our lack of money to sign decent players to GPs track record to our dam coaching staff and developing this young team the right way.

Its just so hard when you've seen it unfold before

 

[BMiller52]

I have absolutely no hope that Petrie would be able to pull off a trade that actually was a net benefit for us. His worst moments as GM have been in trading star players. Not only are we going to lose a very solid young player, we aren't going to get anything of value. Spare parts anyone?

I can tolerate the losing. I can tolerate the horrible luck of this franchise. I can even tolerate the idiots who own the team. But when the entire front office and ownership are willing to ship out the 2nd best player on the team and ROTY winner before his rookie contract is up for what will no doubt be a terrible deal, I am getting to the point of being fed up. And if we lose DMC because of it, I am going to have a hard time being a Kings fans with the inmates running the asylum. There is no sure thing in this draft on the level of an LBJ. Even getting the 1st pick in this draft is not enough for Reke. Davis will most likely be a very good player, but I can't think of many defensive superstars in the NBA.

I hate to break it to you bro but anyone who isn't a Kings fan would take Anthony Davis over Tyreke. I like Tyreke, I was the only person yelling his name at the draft party(everyone else wanted Rubio), but if we can trade him all I can hope for is that we get a good player back.

btw I'm not sure why people are saying Cousins will leave if Reke leaves? We still have some other young players who can turn out well, and we still have a pick this year that could be MKG or Harrison Barnes. Either of those guys have the talent to be better than Tyreke. Both of those guys were the #1 ranked HS player in the country I believe(MKG might've been 2nd to Davis actually, but I'm not sure) in their senior years of HS. Both of them have superstar potential. Both of them might fit better on our team than Tyreke. It's not like Cousins and Tyreke are overly close anyway.

I don't HOPE we trade Tyreke, but I'm not going to be slashing my wrists if it happens. The FO will do what they do and hopefully it turns out for the best(although with our luck and Petrie's track record we'll get "moveable pieces" and it really WILL be a horrible trade).

edit: I'd like to add that I don't understand why the Maloofs committed to Smart when they didn't know how Tyreke(the team's 2nd best player) fit into his plans or if he had any plan for Tyreke(or any player for that matter) at all. But hey, the Maloofs do dumb crap all the time so I suppose it doesn't have to make sense.

 

[Gilles]

Kidd-Gilchrist was 3rd behind Davis and Rivers. He became #4 when Drummond reclassified back.

 

[Gilles]

...I don't HOPE we trade Tyreke, but I'm not going to be slashing my wrists if it happens...

And you shouldn't. It's simply entertainment after all but when you have every guy who gets out of Sacramento criticise team's decision-making culture...This might just be the most obvious blunder of them all. Who would want to come to this situation? Probably not even the few that still would right now.

 

[Sac.1989]

trading tyreke should still be the dam last thing we do. Considering his talent level you absolutely do not ship him off unless all avenues have been exhasted and that is the issue here. This small ball rubbish isnt helping the cause one bit nor is the coaching.

He will do well elsewhere and thats the problem. Its clearly an issue of the environment hes playing in. That environment isnt winning us games and it has to be changed

 

[ParniValjak]

I'll actually take this a step further. A three step process:

1) If we trade Tyreke
2) and he blows up for another franchise
3) and we eventually lose Cousins because we can't get him the wingman he needs

I am out. Done. And it will be a ****ing relief believe me. I have tolerated the fools of this franchise for a long time. But if they **** up the no brainer, if they **** up the thing that no other franchis in the league ****s up...then there is no hope, and I'm not going to waste anymore time on them. They can rot.

Pretty much how I feel!

I am one crappy move away from being done!

 

[LWP777]

trading tyreke should still be the dam last thing we do. Considering his talent level you absolutely do not ship him off unless all avenues have been exhasted and that is the issue here. This small ball rubbish isnt helping the cause one bit nor is the coaching.

He will do well elsewhere and thats the problem. Its clearly an issue of the environment hes playing in. That environment isnt winning us games and it has to be changed

So he's going to start hitting his outside shot with another team? He's going to develop a killer instinct with another team? He's going to be consistent every night and not have a horrible game every third game? Is another team going to let him be the full time PG so he can go 20/5/5 again, only to lose 70% of the time? I understand that the Kings might not be getting the best out of him right now but his limitations and deficiencies will be evident on other teams as well. In my opinion, it really all depends on who we get back if we trade him. If we ended up with the 6-8 pick and we could trade him and the pick to get Davis I'd do it and not even blink an eye. The problem is I don't think there would be a GM in the league except for maybe Michael Jordan who would accept that deal.

 

[Jose]

Let's run this thru trade checker:

Incoming:

- Cheap, movable pieces with long contracts that will hamper us for years to come

Outgoing:

- Tyereke Evans
- Whatever little dignity and respect remains for the Kings in the league

TRADE ACCEPTED

Go Geoff!!!

 

[hrdboild]

Let's run this thru trade checker:

Incoming:

- Cheap, movable pieces with long contracts that will hamper us for years to come

Outgoing:

- Tyereke Evans
- Whatever little dignity and respect remains for the Kings in the league

TRADE ACCEPTED

Go Geoff!!!

You sir are a King* among men.

*The good kind, not to be confused with our crumbling basketball franchise or a certain much-maligned superstar.

 

[mac]

So he's going to start hitting his outside shot with another team? He's going to develop a killer instinct with another team? He's going to be consistent every night and not have a horrible game every third game? Is another team going to let him be the full time PG so he can go 20/5/5 again, only to lose 70% of the time? I understand that the Kings might not be getting the best out of him right now but his limitations and deficiencies will be evident on other teams as well. In my opinion, it really all depends on who we get back if we trade him. If we ended up with the 6-8 pick and we could trade him and the pick to get Davis I'd do it and not even blink an eye. The problem is I don't think there would be a GM in the league except for maybe Michael Jordan who would accept that deal.

Mm. Problem is ... we let IT be our full time PG and we lose what % of the time? So perhaps the problem is not Tyreke at PG, or IT at PG, but something else. Like coaching ...

I think Tyreke's progress is like this:

- Splendid rookie season
- Disappointing sophomore season, injury as valid excuse.
- Expectation to come into 3rd season healthy and playing well with a jumpshot (consistency was never a question prior to this season). Reports of a much improved jumpshot during the offseason.
- Started 3rd season poorly under Westphal. Started playing very well under Smart who was developing at PG but jumper seemed to get worse as season progressed.
- Moved to SF when we annointed IT the new savior of the franchise. Expected to play off the ball.
- Is rarely given the ball in a half court offense, with Thomas preferring to swing the ball to the other side or pass to bigs.
- Results in Tyreke looking lost, games where he only takes 5 or 6 shots

So I guess the point is you really don't know that he won't start hitting his outside shot with another team, that he won't become a consistent player. It doesn't have to be at the PG position mind you, but he needs to be given the ball. Oscar Robertson called him unguardable, yet Smart wants him to play off the ball, stand in the corner on offense, and focus on defense, like some sort of Bruce Bowen or Shane Battier. No one calls those guys unguardable. Why in the world his improved jumpshot doesn't seem to carry on throughout the season is beyond me, but now he's shown that he's going to work on it in the offseason. The main thing is that we cannot give up on him just yet. Let him have another offseason with a clearly defined role in mind, ensure that he is getting enough touches on the offensive end in areas where he can put his skills to work. Don't just throw the guy into the fire and say ok now you have to play off the ball or you won't score at all.

I have long said that if by the trade deadline next season he still isn't the player we want him to be then we should by all means trade him and not look back.

 

[kupman]

I'll actually take this a step further. A three step process:

1) If we trade Tyreke
2) and he blows up for another franchise
3) and we eventually lose Cousins because we can't get him the wingman he needs

I am out. Done. And it will be a ****ing relief believe me. I have tolerated the fools of this franchise for a long time. But if they **** up the no brainer, if they **** up the thing that no other franchis in the league ****s up...then there is no hope, and I'm not going to waste anymore time on them. They can rot.

As already supported by other posts in this thread, I think this is the sentiment of some of the most loyal fans to the franchise. Heck, anyone who still watches the games and visits this forum (or other forums like it) are very loyal fans. The average fan left a long time ago.

Things have gotten so bad in the last month that even the most loyal fans are wondering if they are wasting their time and energy.

 

[Kingster]

I agree as well, but the irony of the situation is, if Tyreke was the player we all wanted him to be, we wouldn't be trading him. So it stands to reason that if your willing to trade him, the other team is going to assume he's not lived up to your expectations, and therefore his value has decreased.

Exactly. But isn't that how the Kings do things? When is the last time that this team traded when a player had high value? People think I want to trade Tyreke. That's a laugh. What I want is for Tyreke to have a freaking jump shot. It pains me to see this situation. I hate it that the guy hasn't developed a jump shot at this stage of his career. He isn't even close. He had a EXTENDED offseason to get a semblance of a jump shot and it's like it never occurred. And this is exactly the predicament he puts the entire franchise in, all because he doesn't have a jump shot. They don't know if he ever will develop a jump shot. As Reynolds said last night, "We'll see what happens." Not exactly an optimistic tone if you are gung ho about Tyreke. I tell you, it's obvious that they are less tantalized by the "potential" than they used to be.

This thing about "nutrition" is also telling. And frankly, I don't know what it's telling me. Is it telling that part of part of the internal criticism of him is not having the motor that they want from him? We've heard this nutrition bit for a couple of years now and I thought Tyreke was going to have a nutritionist way back when. So what happened with that? I've seen Tyreke for three years now and I've always seen an inconsistent motor, especially on the defensive end, so maybe this nutritionist is supposed to be the be all end all for that problem, but again, too little, too late?

 

[bajaden]

And you shouldn't. It's simply entertainment after all but when you have every guy who gets out of Sacramento criticise team's decision-making culture...This might just be the most obvious blunder of them all. Who would want to come to this situation? Probably not even the few that still would right now.

Barring an unforseen event, I'll still be here. I have no feelings about trading Tyreke one way or the other, until I see who or what he was traded for. To take the position that he's so good, he can't be traded and the world will end if he is, is just nuts. I was one of the first that suggested we draft him when we lost out in the lottery. I thought he could be a star in the league, and I still do. But the onnus is on him!!!!!! Does the team have a hand in the responsibility? Damm right they do! But no one made Lebron a star but Lebron. Ditto Jordan, Bird, etc.

Great stars work their butts off to become as good as they can be. I seriously doubt that Tyreke has done that. Yes, he's made progress since he's been here, but nothing to make you stand up and take notice. He's essentially the same player. Thats still a good player, a solid NBA player. Great right? No, because he walks around with the mantle of great player hanging on him. Let me put it this way. If Jimmer ended up being as good as Tyreke is right now, most of us, except for the idiots out there, would be estatic. But thats not good enough for Tyreke.

So it all comes down to expectations and fit. A player, rightly or wrongly is stuck with our expectations of him. He's stuck with the teams expectations of him. And unfortunately, anything less than those expectations, adds up to failure in many eyes. I think the team has already had offers for Tyreke, and may have already accepted one. No crystal ball here! Just a feeling. Because when rumblings like were hearing start coming out of the head office, it usually means the front office is laying the ground work in advance. Sort of flying trial balloons if you will.

So for those of you that love Tryeke, and didn't even know who he was when we drafted him, that scenario could repeat itself again. Here's a thought for you. Last night we played the team that has the best chance for the first pick in the draft. And do you know who had the biggest hand in destroying them? Tyreke! Something to think about..