Kings vs Wizards postgame talk.

[SacTownKid]

If we didn't have Thomas, Skinner, and Corliss we simply would have been beaten because the way Arenas was playing, and the huge bodies they had up front, that would have destroyed us before. Webb would have to of had one of his best games offensively, because Cat certainly did not, and I am certain the Wiz would have had a +10 rebounding night.

 

[albeitrue]

1) we actually got beat on the boards again, although only by 1. Mentioned this before, Webb and Barnes were perhaps our two best boarders -- new guys can board, but they are no better than what we traded away. The guys we moved aren't why we were a bad rebounding team, just as the guys who took their place aren't why we still aren't going to dominate the glass. The problems lie elsewhere.

2) we allowed 108pts again -- 8 over our season average. Getting good effort from the new guys, but they are restricted a bit by physical limitations. If their hustle can bleed over to the regulars, I think we can improve significantly. But we still are going to have size/quickness issues at nearly every position (undersized OG/PF, underquick PG/SF/C).

3) Thomas is not a post player (too small) but can drive. Post players are Corliss against SFs (not PFs) and Skinner who showed a surprising touch there. Problem is, once Peja gets back, where do the minutes come from? Assume Skinner gets the backup center minutes -- that's 10-12 behind Brad. And Corliss? Ony 10-12 at backup SF. We can play him at PF, but he's a terrible rebounder there and really can't post PFs because of height/no jumping. So we get two guys who can play a little in the post, but because they're behind two of our stars, we're talking 10-12 minutes a piece, and both at similar points in the game? Seems like Corliss in particular needs some more time, but I have a hard time seeing where he's going to get it.

Ba Humbugger.

Okay, I'm off to pester someone else now.

::runs along::

 

[BBallGrl15]

i did see a lot of Kings fans in the section right behind the kings bench....and i did mention in the game thread that it sounded like there was a nice amount of Kings fans there

Too bad the same couldn't be said about the game on Sat. At times I felt like I was the only one clapping for the Kings. We were definitely a minority amongst all the fans who came to see AI and Webb.

 

[KP]

If we didn't have Thomas, Skinner, and Corliss we simply would have been beaten because the way Arenas was playing, and the huge bodies they had up front, that would have destroyed us before. Webb would have to of had one of his best games offensively, because Cat certainly did not, and I am certain the Wiz would have had a +10 rebounding night.

When Webb played earlier this year against them we were +1 in rebounding, we also outscored them by 10 in the paint... we were -2 in the paint tonight... As far as defense goes they were also able to score 15 more points tonight than last time we played them(they only had 93). You guys are probably right though...

 

[SacTownKid]

When Webb played earlier this year against them we were +1 in rebounding, we also outscored them by 10 in the paint... we were -2 in the paint tonight...

The team we played tonight was way different, and much bigger with Kwame and Haywood in at the same time.

 

[KP]

The team we played tonight was way different, and much bigger with Kwame and Haywood in at the same time.

lol.

 

[love_them_kings]

If we didn't have Thomas, Skinner, and Corliss we simply would have been beaten because the way Arenas was playing, and the huge bodies they had up front, that would have destroyed us before. Webb would have to of had one of his best games offensively, because Cat certainly did not, and I am certain the Wiz would have had a +10 rebounding night.

Webb & Barnes both would have pulled down their share of rebounds. I really don't want to get into this conversation because I think comparing what our 3 new players did to what Webb and Barnes COULD have done isn't very realistic, BUT come on, our new players got 18 rebounds between the 3 of them, don't you think Webb & Barnes could have combined for that against this team? They are not a great rebounding team either. I am thrilled and excited that our 3 acquisitions are playing well, playing hard, and feel like they have something to prove. That is great for our team. But, let's not take away from what Webber and Barnes brought to this team, they both played their hearts out when they were here.

 

[skeletor8]

Good job pulling that one out of the hat....however, the Kings lose if the Wiz don't shoot...what, ~50% from the line. The difference makers on the rebounding effort were the old hats..Miller and the guards that I could see. Should have traded for another backup guard...Bibby is going to die if he has to play like that every night for the Kings to win.

 

[piksi]

When Webb played earlier this year against them we were +1 in rebounding, we also outscored them by 10 in the paint... we were -2 in the paint tonight... As far as defense goes they were also able to score 15 more points tonight than last time we played them(they only had 93). You guys are probably right though...

It was at ARCO

 

[Elise10]

Well, we're now 2-0 on the farewell Kings tour(a crazy quirk in the schedule has the Kings playing against former Kings in 4 straight games. 5 out of the last 7)

76ers(Webber, Barnes), Wizards(Anthony Peeler), Bobcats(Gerald Wallace) & Magic(Doug Christie, Hedo Turkoglu)

 

[fishgirl]

Any update on how serious Darius's injury is? Or Brad - he looked hurt last night.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Any update on how serious Darius's injury is? Or Brad - he looked hurt last night.

X-Ray is negative and he is listed as day to day. He probalby wil have no cule at all untill he gets out of bed tommorw if he even wants to try to paly on it, but if it's a light sprain he might just wrap it up and play... Darius is a tough guy.

 

[4cwebb]

we still won the game because we had 9 guys contributing instead oof 7

This point has me wondering whether Adelman will break out of his classic "play 8 guys total and 5 guys a ton" rotations with the additions of the three new guys, or whether he is just waiting to get Peja back before he can settle into a rotation of 8 guys? If he does, who gets squeezed? Darius? Corliss?

I think Brick has a point that when Corliss starts at the SF, he does an excellent job posting those smaller guys. I also think that Corliss can have pretty good success against backup PFs in this league, but he doesn't board, and if you've got Corliss (backing up PF) and Peja out there at the same time (assuming the non-boarding Peja is the one that returns), that makes it difficult on the team to grab enough boards.

 

[Twix]

76ers(Webber, Barnes), Wizards(Anthony Peeler), Bobcats(Gerald Wallace) & Magic(Doug Christie, Hedo Turkoglu)

And if you want to add the Heats...Damon Jones.

 

[WhyNotUs?]

2-0? we lost to Dallas post-trade. Adleman will quickly (I predict) go back to a 7.5 man rotation

 

[mcsluggo]

Anyone know what was going on w/Mobley at the end of the game? He had to be restrained and it looked like he was getting into it w/some fans?

Where did you see this?

I was at the game, and not paying much attention to where he went immediately after the game, but I noticed him heading off to the tunnel (personally escorted by a securtiy dude) a little after everyone else, and he was literally hopping around. At first the way he was moving it looked to me like he was pissed (just been in an argument/fight?) but then he jumped up and was talking to and schmoozing fans. At that point I just assumed he was hopping around because he had personally won the game in the last seconds and was still juiced.

Did you see something BEFORE he left the floor?

 

[Elise10]

I didn't say on the road, just against former Kings players who are now on different teams.

For some strange reason, forgot about Damon.

 

[mcsluggo]

! hopfully i can get them up by tomorrow

I had "nose bleed" tix. but after the half snuck down to about 15 rows behind you. MUCH better view!

(were you right behind the tall guy in the webber jersey? I saw someone snapping all sorts of pics, mostly during timeouts, from like the second row)

 

[HndsmCelt]

I don't think any one wnats to see Big Nasty at the 4... he is too small against even most bakc ups and at center Brad does not get that many boards beceasue he goes head long into a scrum with the closest big man which frequently leave the ball open for the PF. Not to bag on Webber but his flat footed rebounding was successfull beceause he was next to a center who plays basketball like rugby. That is also why a very modest rebounder like K9 who averages 7 boards in 30 min pull down 10 in 40 last night. I suspect that Kenny's numbers on the boards will go up in a Kings jersy in part beceause of Brad, and in part beceause the over all lack of interest in rebounds from his teammates. Of course this is great rustration with both Pedja and Big Nasty, playing with head first guys like Brad and Darius realy can clear the floor for them to pick up one or two extra boards that do not necessarly come to them, but of course that does require that they go TO the ball not run from it.

Bottom line is Corless is realy a one trick poney and with DArius, K9 and Skinner available to play the 4 there is no real reason to play him. Unlike some posters on this board I am not convinced that Skinner is as limited a player as his stats show. His early years he languished on the pine with no real coach in the Clippers eh... well for lack of a better word system. The one year he played for a good coach and saw real court time he gave the Bucks a good showing at the 4 putting up 10 points and 7 boards in less than 30 min... not bad at all. Ok he is small for a5 and can't pass or hit free throws (seems to get worse every year, honest) But with good coaching he is the kind of guy like to have come off the bench and add instant gristle. If the little hook he displayed was an indicator he also has some indie game in him... jury is still out on that.

 

[Elise10]

Where did you see this?

I was at the game, and not paying much attention to where he went immediately after the game, but I noticed him heading off to the tunnel (personally escorted by a securtiy dude) a little after everyone else, and he was literally hopping around. At first the way he was moving it looked to me like he was pissed (just been in an argument/fight?) but then he jumped up and was talking to and schmoozing fans. At that point I just assumed he was hopping around because he had personally won the game in the last seconds and was still juiced.

Did you see something BEFORE he left the floor?

From the Bee today:

Kings notes: Mobley might have visited the stands earlier in career



By Martin McNeal -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 am PST Monday, February 28, 2005

WASHINGTON - The Kings had just rallied for a hard-fought 110-108 victory over the Washington Wizards on Sunday night when it appeared guard Cuttino Mobley was ready to go into the stands near halfcourt.



Mobley said he might have reacted more aggressively earlier in his career after listening to a big-mouthed Wizards fan for the entire game about how Washington's Gilbert Arenas, who tied his career high with 43 points, was scoring against the Kings' guard.

But Mobley wasn't about to let the fan go home without a dose of high-powered verbiage after scoring the game's final four points, including two free throws with 1.5 seconds left.

"He was riding with the Wizards and talking specifically to me about how Gilbert kept hitting shots," said Mobley, who scored 18 points and shot 6 of 17 from the field. "I can't really say what I said to him, but it's a good thing I'm a lot more conservative than I was earlier in my career."

 

[iheartBrad]

wasn't there somebody he knew sitting right at midcourt? i could of sworn that i seen him go to midcourt right before the ball was jumped and hug/high-5 somone that was sitting right there...i figured it was his mom or something again...cuz he often does go find her at the end of the games to say hi/bye or whatever....so i just figured that he went to do the same thing...and somebody said something to him then and couldn't let it go anymore

i dunno...

 

[Bricklayer]

Ok he is small for a5 and can't pass or hit free throws (seems to get worse every year, honest)

Oh damn -- I had almost forgotten about Skinner's FTs.

Is it too late to knok him down half a grade? Those things made Tag's stroke look pure as Peja's. Just UGLY.

 

[Fillmoe]

Oh damn -- I had almost forgotten about Skinner's FTs.

Is it too late to knok him down half a grade? Those things made Tag's stroke look pure as Peja's. Just UGLY.

yah he is a really bad free throw shooter! but the kings are a pretty good FT shooting team i would expect him to get a little bit better come playoff time.

 

[ReinadelosReys]

yah he is a really bad free throw shooter! but the kings are a pretty good FT shooting team i would expect him to get a little bit better come playoff time.

If Coachie Pete Carill has anything to do with it. I still won't be able to get over his expression after Tag hit one a couple of weeks back...(Re: coachie)Man, it has to be great to able to do something you really love for such a long time and still have the same effect if not more than when you first started out

 

[mcsluggo]

Oh damn -- I had almost forgotten about Skinner's FTs.

Is it too late to knok him down half a grade? Those things made Tag's stroke look pure as Peja's. Just UGLY.

they put his stats on the jumbotron when he was at the line. His ft% is in the twenties

I'd be willing to bet that Ruth Bader Ginsberg can hit FTs in the 20% range