But the front office and coaching must be adaptable for such stability to occur.
[Game] Kings v. Warriors - 1//9/16 - 7 PT, 10 ET
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But the front office and coaching must be adaptable for such stability to occur.
randymoss1881
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Showtime
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Be 6'5".
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Considering how we scored 116 points and still somehow lost, I don't think 2 guard point production is the main issue with our team right now.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
I don't know if that'd even work. I mean, he'd probably be stuck behind James Anderson in the rotation.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
More to the point, after several years of faster paced offenses, this season Pop went back to the Twin Tower era and is playing big, classic fundamental basketball.
Come on ... you play ancient Caron Butler in a close game when he hasn't played at all and there would be just as many fans criticizing Karl. We don't know what his adjusted rotations will be when we actually have a full roster with Casspi and WCS.
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KingMilz
Guest
We got production for the 4 spot but hey lets bench both WCS and Acy..........
Sac.Kings
All-Star
We definitely need a SG who can at least be counted on for 10 points, hitting open shots consistently, and playing solid defense. Pickings are slim, and options are even further limited.
WCS needs to play more. Simple as that. Acy as well. 20-24 min for each at the PF spot would be awesome.
WCS needs to play more. Simple as that. Acy as well. 20-24 min for each at the PF spot would be awesome.
Boogie_Fever
G-League
Yes they did. Did that in preperation of the league losing their collective minds in trying to match up with the Warriors and all go small. Even the freaking Grizzlies are doing it. Insane!
fansinceday1
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how does everyone think Vivek and the FO see these losses to the Warriors?
Are they wringing their hands at how Karl is trying to be the Warriors to beat the Warriors like we fans are?
My money is on then being happy how fast our pace is. They really don't care about our horrible defense. Just as long as we're entertaining.
Are they wringing their hands at how Karl is trying to be the Warriors to beat the Warriors like we fans are?
My money is on then being happy how fast our pace is. They really don't care about our horrible defense. Just as long as we're entertaining.
Chubbs
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Nah, you know what? Some of us can recognize an injured player vs a healthy one.I know you are being sarcastic but Boogie's recent dominance underscores the legitimate criticism that I and others levied against him. The difference in efficiency in 2016 is dramatic and legitimizes those fans who wanted and expected more.
He's delivering like a MVP not like Brook Lopez with a bad foot. And I would suggest those defending his play in the month of December were effectively defending Brook Lopez with a bad foot!
I would go further and suggest this stretch also legitimizes the system that Karl has implemented particularly early rim runs and pick and roll from middle of floor and the way Karl is using him with only about 20% of his scoring chances are out of the low post. If Boogie happens to struggle tonight it is against the 3rd best defense efficiency in the NBA (SAS > BOS > GSW) so if he struggles credit and criticism on both sides are probably fair.
The growth to Boogie's game will occur when he combats resistance by going away from resistance, i.e. The Way of the Peaceful WarriorSometimes instead of answering force with force you go away from it or instead of trying to go through a brick wall like Bogut you go around it (him).
7 assists and 12 smart reads last game against was evidence of going away from resistance.
The Warriors like most teams want someone other than Boogie to beat them. So Boogie needs to have confidence in teammates if thats what opponent is giving him, he should take it and if he does so tonight we can thump these d-league scrubs.
And some don't pick on a guy when he's clearly injured and make vast sweeping conclusions based on a guy at well below 100%. I didn't see people defending the poor play. They defended the player and his career and didn't make silly conclusions based on a low point( trade him!).
Chubbs
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Bottom five? I've been curious to get the official Slim list of announcers.
I think this was suggested last year.
Gret in better shape.
Chubbs
Starter
His desire to point out every thing Boogie does and painting it as bad gets old after awhile, huh?
Between our announcers and the sound of way way too many warriors fans in the house, I end up just muting the game.
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f we layed big, slow and defensively against the Warriors you might enjoy it more but we would lose non the less.
Kings_on_the_RiSE
G-League
Larry89
Disgruntled Kings Fan
Cousins was starting to go into super cousins mode (like against Brooklyn) in the third and then was taken out by a BOGUS foul on Harrison Barnes going straight up. Gets mugged all game, meanwhile Curry gets soft handcheck fouls at 190lbs and shoots only TWO LESS freethrows than Cousins. Give me a break and stand up for your players Karl.
Kings_on_the_RiSE
G-League
I have no idea why the NBA allows such unethical behavior from these crapty refs. I dont know. I have been a fan since 99. the 2002 WCF left a bitter taste in my mouth. I still decided to stick around because of my love for the Kings, but it's getting extremely difficult to watch when our guys are getting hammered with nothing to show for it. I'm just fed up with this nonsense. The fans deserve wayyyyyy better.
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KingsFanGER
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Nothing to complain about. We gave them our A-game. The Ref's once again took Cousins out of the game. We kept the Warriors close enough to give them a little scare in the end, when Cousins was back on the floor.
With a team that deep and skilled and with such a great ball movement like the Warriors there will be missmatches and open shots. Curry hit quiet a few 3's, that would be a bad shot for every other player of this league.
We battled, we hustled, we competed. Just keep it up guys.
With a team that deep and skilled and with such a great ball movement like the Warriors there will be missmatches and open shots. Curry hit quiet a few 3's, that would be a bad shot for every other player of this league.
We battled, we hustled, we competed. Just keep it up guys.
KingsFanSince85
All-Star
This game showed me, yet again, that the Warriors style of play is susceptible to a team with a top tier big man. Most teams don't have one, but the Kings do. If they can ever surround Cuz with the right mix of players that can consistently make open shots and, most importantly, defend just a little bit ---- small ball will not beat the Kings.
lawlman91
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The Warriors have big-ass guards/wings, a small 4 spot, and one big man.
We have the big man advantage: WCS + Cousins means that we can guard the stretch 4 while still maintaining our size advantage on the offensive end. WCS needs to develop a post game and a mid range jumper in order to be effective. In my opinion, post game development is more urgent in order to punish the opponent with size advantage. On a Cousins post-up, WCS can stay on the block for a rebound -- no big deal if he doesn't have a mid range jumper. But it would be better if he were a little outside, though, and a mid-range jumper would give Cousins a bit more space. But still, the post game is more urgent.
We are crippled by our small wings and guards. When the Warriors play three 6'7 guys on the wings, and maybe even Livingston (6'7) at the point, and when we play one 6'0 guard and two 6'5 wings, or two 6'0 guards and one 6'5 wing, or two 6'0 guards and one 6'2 wing, we are only reaffirming something that all people that have played at least a minute of basketball know about: size matters A LOT. Do you really think a 6'0 midget running at a 6'7 3pt shooter would distract the shooter? Maybe for a 6'3 shooter, but not a 6'7 shooter for sure. On top of that, they can post us up, and we tend to double more than we should. At least let them prove to us that they can post up, before we double. When we double, we give them open 3pt shots all day.
So a *true* small ball lineup will: 1) not affect tall shooters, 2) open up post-up situations, and finally 3) kill us with switches. Guess why we double a lot? 6'0 guard on Dirk. 6'0 guard on Draymond Green. Guess why, after a switch, it is just *sometimes* difficult to defend a 3pt shooter? We have Koufos and Cousins on the floor at once. We need another big man like WCS: 6'10, a bit mobile. Preferably with a post game, and a mid-range jumper is would only be a cherry on top. Even a 6'9 guy would satisfy me. Can't have too many Casspi's on a team, can we? You know, counter their 6'7 guys with mobile 6'9 guys?
We need bigger people.
upinsmoke
All-Star
WCS just needs the PT. I would like to see him and Acy get more time.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
It's subjective. Everyone has their own opinion. You have your opinion, and I have my opinion. My opinion is that your opinion is wrong, but then that's just my opinion!
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Well your right! The Warriors did the same thing to us that Dallas did. They immediately went at our undersized backcourt with switches, or by simply playing a 6'7" wing. Every team is going to do it to us until we change. If we had a, lets see, hmmm, a Tyreke Evans out there instead of Collison, it would be a lot tougher for teams to get good matchups. The problem could be solved by obtaining a 6'5" good ballhandling, defensive minded guard, who can spot up successfully. I know they don't grow on trees, but there are some out there. Personally I hate this type of switching (almost a zone) defense. It's an admission that were incapable of playing man to man defense, which maybe we are. Hell, in a zone defense, your guarding an area instead of an individual player. We can't even do that successfully. One would think that when Draymond Green is standing outside the three point line wide open, he must be in someone's area, or is that a no fly zone?
Larry89
Disgruntled Kings Fan
Karl really needs to play Butler More. You cannot play a 3 guard lineup where all the guards are barely 6'2. In Denver he did not have "small ball" he just had a bunch of players that could handle the ball and defend that weren't PF or C's, Iguodala, Wilson Chanlder, Foye, Afllalo, Brewer. What we are doing is literally playing "smallball" where all of our back court guards are truly undersized. Acy brings energy but he does not fit Karl's system because he cannot dribble drive/shoot, WCS is in the Doghouse. Rudy seems perfect for Karl's system but playing him at the 4 nullifies the size advantage he has over most 3's, also he is not great at ball handling. I say give Caron some run at the 3, he is a good post up player and can sometimes draw double teams.
The problem is not the switching defense but rather the size of the mismatch given by switching. You just can't play Collison/Rondo/Curry/Bellinelli at the same time like he does.. all the time. If Coach wants his system to work then he needs to play the players that can actually guard decently on switches. Players like, WCS, Acy, Casspi. The offense will come with better defense.
The problem is not the switching defense but rather the size of the mismatch given by switching. You just can't play Collison/Rondo/Curry/Bellinelli at the same time like he does.. all the time. If Coach wants his system to work then he needs to play the players that can actually guard decently on switches. Players like, WCS, Acy, Casspi. The offense will come with better defense.
This is just silly.
All opinions are not equally valid. Whoever told you otherwise was selling you something.It's subjective. Everyone has their own opinion. You have your opinion, and I have my opinion. My opinion is that your opinion is wrong, but then that's just my opinion!
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