[Game] Kings @ Suns, 11/11/2024, 5pm PST/ 8 pm EST

[SacTownKid]

It's a reasonable theory but I'm not sure it holds up to scrutiny. I remember teams outshooting their season averages significantly at Golden 1 Center even before The Beam.

I think it's the entertainment aspect. The Kings want to play up tempo and get into a shooting match with the other team especially in front of the home fans. Rather than throwing bombs at one another, the Kings might be better at controlling tempo and bobbing and weaving instead of looking to return knockout blows. The Kings will get going but right now their best "pace" has been controlled offense through their best players.

 

[New Era]

Are they seriously ruling that Lyles touching the ball while flying through the air out of bounds counts as a change of possession?

That's not a shot clock violation. Lyles clearly had control of the ball and threw it back on the court. It wasn't a tap. He controlled it and threw it. Kind of embarrassing our announcers are too ignorant to point that out.

 

[hrdboild]

That's not a shot clock violation. Lyles clearly had control of the ball and threw it back on the court. It wasn't a tap. He controlled it and threw it. Kind of embarrassing our announcers are too ignorant to point that out.

Can you control the ball when you're not even on the ground or within the boundary of the court? I don't know the rule but it seems odd to say that anyone has secured the ball when they first touch it while out of bounds.

 

[New Era]

Can you control the ball when you're not even on the ground or within the boundary of the court?

Yes, absolutely. Here is the rule taken right out of the NBA rule book:

Section XVI—Team Control

A team is in control when a player is holding, dribbling or passing the ball. Team
control ends when the defensive team deflects the ball or there is a field goal attempt.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Can you control the ball when you're not even on the ground or within the boundary of the court?

I was under the very strong impression that a player flying through the air out of bounds was not considered "in control of the ball" - particularly if it was a one-hand heave.

 

[Makaveli]

Is there a how to defend pick and roll manual we can send coach brown?

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Yes, absolutely. Here is the rule taken right out of the NBA rule book:

Section XVI—Team Control

A team is in control when a player is holding, dribbling or passing the ball. Team
control ends when the defensive team deflects the ball or there is a field goal attempt.

This may be in the rule book, but a shot clock reset on a defensive deflection is 100% not a thing. Never seen it, ever. Ever.

 

[Tetsujin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1855821555160531118

 

[New Era]

This may be in the rule book, but a shot clock reset on a defensive deflection is 100% not a thing. Never seen it, ever. Ever.

It wasn't a defensive deflection. The ball was going OOB and Lyles saved it and passed it back on the court. It's not even debatable. You'll see in the 2 minute report tomorrow.

 

[Gtronic]

Watching on delay… just finished!!! Rewatching OT now. 2 assassins at work!!!

 

[coolhandluke]

Kings proving 2 > 3.

 

[iowamcnabb]

This may be in the rule book, but a shot clock reset on a defensive deflection is 100% not a thing. Never seen it, ever. Ever.

Imagine blocking a shot and then they reset the clock because the ball was deflected by the defense.

 

[New Era]

Imagine blocking a shot and then they reset the clock because the ball was deflected by the defense.

A deflection doesn't reset the clock. It just means there is no team control, so no shot clock reset on what you're describing. It reset on the Lyles play because he actually grabbed the ball and threw it back on the court. Not so sure why this is so hard to understand.

 

[Tizzy Flip]

That's not a shot clock violation. Lyles clearly had control of the ball and threw it back on the court. It wasn't a tap. He controlled it and threw it. Kind of embarrassing our announcers are too ignorant to point that out.

But I don’t think he had full control. His body was going out of bounds when he got the ball, jumped, and threw it back in bounds. By definition, I don’t think he had possession

 

[Caccia]

Whatever. We all know how this OT is going to go.

Yes, indeed. The Fox and DeRozan show goes on the road.

 

[iowamcnabb]

A deflection doesn't reset the clock. It just means there is no team control, so no shot clock reset on what you're describing. It reset on the Lyles play because he actually grabbed the ball and threw it back on the court. Not so sure why this is so hard to understand.[/QUOTE

I just don’t think jumping and falling out of bounds is concrete possession. Even if it is it shouldn’t be

 

[New Era]

But I don’t think he had full control. His body was going out of bounds when he got the ball, jumped, and threw it back in bounds. By definition, I don’t think he had possession

What part of that makes him not have possession? The rule book literally says "holding" the ball and "passing" the ball. He did both here. The fact that he was in the air is irrelevant.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

What part of that makes him not have possession? The rule book literally says "holding" the ball and "passing" the ball. He did both here. The back that he was in the air is irrelevant.

Would they have granted Lyles a timeout if he had called for one instead of throwing the ball?

 

[New Era]

Would they have granted Lyles a timeout if he had called for one instead of throwing the ball?

Yes, I believe so. I know college a few years back made it a rule to not allow that but now they can again.

 

[The_Jamal]

Yes, I believe so. I know college a few years back made it a rule to not allow that but now they can again.

Absolutely no shot they give Lyles a TO if he's yelling that as he jumps out of bounds. What are you talking about?

 

[MizzouKing]

impressive, impressive victory tonight… we beat the Phoenix Suns AND the refs!

 

[SacTownKid]

Is there a how to defend pick and roll manual we can send coach brown?

Yeah, it's called "Switch". Written by Switch Switcherton. It's one page long and on the first page is says, "Do it and deal with it." haha.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Yes, I believe so. I know college a few years back made it a rule to not allow that but now they can again.

Hmm. Well, according to Rule 5, Section VII part e:

A player shall not be granted any timeout if both of his feet are in the air and any part of his body has broken the vertical plane of the boundary line.

Seems like what Lyles did may not be considered possession.

(Edit: added "Rule 5" which I accidentally omitted at first)

 

[NewArena]

Huge credit for Huerter finally giving our team some much needed 3’s early on and Keegan for being clutch enough to get us into that wild overtime period in the first place. Light it!

 

[Caccia]

Word is that Monk's ankle will be evaluated in the morning. I presume that will be in Phoenix. No one knows the severity of the injury yet.

 

[New Era]

Hmm. Well, according to Section VII part e:



Seems like what Lyles did may not be considered possession.

Good find....yes, looks like the NBA won't allow that, but it still doesn't have anything to do with possession. Lyles 1000000% had possession.

 

[New Era]

BTW, official Bill Kennedy, a PHOENIX RESIDENT.

And?

 

[Tizzy Flip]

What part of that makes him not have possession? The rule book literally says "holding" the ball and "passing" the ball. He did both here. The fact that he was in the air is irrelevant.

Do you honestly know what is fully meant by holding the ball in the rulebook? I can ask a professional ref if you need me to

 

[New Era]

Do you honestly know what is fully meant by holding the ball in the rulebook? I can ask a professional ref if you need me to

Tell you what buddy....I'll give you 100-1 odds that the 2 min report tomorrow will say he had possession of the ball. We can escrow the bet with somebody here. You have to bet $100 minimum though. It will pay you $10k if you're right.

 

[New Era]

Do you honestly know what is fully meant by holding the ball in the rulebook? I can ask a professional ref if you need me to

Do you really think can throw the ball all the way to halfcourt almost if you don't have control of the ball??????