[Game] Kings @ Suns, 11/11/2024, 5pm PST/ 8 pm EST

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SacTownKid

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hrdboild said:
It's a reasonable theory but I'm not sure it holds up to scrutiny. I remember teams outshooting their season averages significantly at Golden 1 Center even before The Beam.
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I think it's the entertainment aspect. The Kings want to play up tempo and get into a shooting match with the other team especially in front of the home fans. Rather than throwing bombs at one another, the Kings might be better at controlling tempo and bobbing and weaving instead of looking to return knockout blows. The Kings will get going but right now their best "pace" has been controlled offense through their best players.
 
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hrdboild said:
Are they seriously ruling that Lyles touching the ball while flying through the air out of bounds counts as a change of possession?
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That's not a shot clock violation. Lyles clearly had control of the ball and threw it back on the court. It wasn't a tap. He controlled it and threw it. Kind of embarrassing our announcers are too ignorant to point that out.
 
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New Era said:
That's not a shot clock violation. Lyles clearly had control of the ball and threw it back on the court. It wasn't a tap. He controlled it and threw it. Kind of embarrassing our announcers are too ignorant to point that out.
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Can you control the ball when you're not even on the ground or within the boundary of the court? I don't know the rule but it seems odd to say that anyone has secured the ball when they first touch it while out of bounds.
 
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hrdboild said:
Can you control the ball when you're not even on the ground or within the boundary of the court?
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Yes, absolutely. Here is the rule taken right out of the NBA rule book:

Section XVI—Team Control

A team is in control when a player is holding, dribbling or passing the ball. Team
control ends when the defensive team deflects the ball or there is a field goal attempt.
 
Capt. Factorial

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New Era said:
Yes, absolutely. Here is the rule taken right out of the NBA rule book:

Section XVI—Team Control

A team is in control when a player is holding, dribbling or passing the ball. Team
control ends when the defensive team deflects the ball or there is a field goal attempt.
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This may be in the rule book, but a shot clock reset on a defensive deflection is 100% not a thing. Never seen it, ever. Ever.
 
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iowamcnabb said:
Imagine blocking a shot and then they reset the clock because the ball was deflected by the defense.
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A deflection doesn't reset the clock. It just means there is no team control, so no shot clock reset on what you're describing. It reset on the Lyles play because he actually grabbed the ball and threw it back on the court. Not so sure why this is so hard to understand.
 
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New Era said:
That's not a shot clock violation. Lyles clearly had control of the ball and threw it back on the court. It wasn't a tap. He controlled it and threw it. Kind of embarrassing our announcers are too ignorant to point that out.
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But I don’t think he had full control. His body was going out of bounds when he got the ball, jumped, and threw it back in bounds. By definition, I don’t think he had possession
 
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New Era said:
A deflection doesn't reset the clock. It just means there is no team control, so no shot clock reset on what you're describing. It reset on the Lyles play because he actually grabbed the ball and threw it back on the court. Not so sure why this is so hard to understand.[/QUOTE

I just don’t think jumping and falling out of bounds is concrete possession. Even if it is it shouldn’t be
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Tizzy Flip said:
But I don’t think he had full control. His body was going out of bounds when he got the ball, jumped, and threw it back in bounds. By definition, I don’t think he had possession
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What part of that makes him not have possession? The rule book literally says "holding" the ball and "passing" the ball. He did both here. The fact that he was in the air is irrelevant.
 
Capt. Factorial

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New Era said:
Yes, I believe so. I know college a few years back made it a rule to not allow that but now they can again.
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Hmm. Well, according to Rule 5, Section VII part e:

A player shall not be granted any timeout if both of his feet are in the air and any part of his body has broken the vertical plane of the boundary line.
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Seems like what Lyles did may not be considered possession.

(Edit: added "Rule 5" which I accidentally omitted at first)
 
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New Era said:
What part of that makes him not have possession? The rule book literally says "holding" the ball and "passing" the ball. He did both here. The fact that he was in the air is irrelevant.
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Do you honestly know what is fully meant by holding the ball in the rulebook? I can ask a professional ref if you need me to
 
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Tizzy Flip said:
Do you honestly know what is fully meant by holding the ball in the rulebook? I can ask a professional ref if you need me to
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Tell you what buddy....I'll give you 100-1 odds that the 2 min report tomorrow will say he had possession of the ball. We can escrow the bet with somebody here. You have to bet $100 minimum though. It will pay you $10k if you're right.
 
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