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I got ya. We could get a player of 2.1 mil or less while not having to send any player back. Basically we can take a salary dump from somebody for nothing
Section 101
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Second round picks can be traded in consecutive years.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Granger's knee issues are of a different kind.
I loved all the handwringing over Rose's knee, but fact is that ACL's haven't been career enders since back in the 80s, when they were the great boogeyman of knee injuries. Now cartilage deterioration is a scarier problem, because its progressive and does not come back. Al Jefferson, Jamal Crawford, David West, Iman Shunpert, Kyle Lowry & Baron Davis before they even reached the NBA have all had them and come back pretty much full strength. Even Rose if you watched him early this season looked good physically. He was fast and explosive. Whatever the problem was there seemed to be neck up.
You tell me he's coming off microfracture surgery and my response is entirely different. As science advances that particular piece of barbarism is destined to go down with leeches and bleeding as a WTF I can't believe they used to do that historical footnote.
jcwkings
All-Star
Isaiah and McLemore plus picks is way too much for a PG that relied on quickness coming off of ACL surgery. I like Rondo but if he lost a step(already 27) his bad shooting would make him easy to guard, Isaiah is a legit 20 ppg 7-8 ast PG that fits the mold of the modern NBA PG, Rondo and Rubio are really the last of their kind(at least for the time being, maybe trends change in 10 years). Isaiah is what you want in a modern NBA PG and is still 2 or 3 years away from his prime, Rondo age wise is in his prime but injuries tend to cut them short.
I'd trade IT for rondo any day of the week but its the total number of other assets in the fake trade that are a problem.
The bench PG crop out there is pretty sad. Andre Miller would be my first choice, but who knows if Denver wants to trade him, and we don't have anything to trade them either unless they want Travis Outlaw and Hamady NDiaye.
I would love Beno just as much. The team can just take his contract for free with GV's traded player exception.
I would love Beno just as much. The team can just take his contract for free with GV's traded player exception.
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I like jack. Mostly for his ability to defend at both guard spots.
He did play for Malone and has a tradeable contract from Cleveland's point of view. He would make sense if Rondo was the lead guard rather than Isaiah, I think.
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Entity
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At this point I got him slated for backup pg and sg. Not because of passing ability but defensive ability. I'm thinking Thornton and outlaw or jimmer. Prob jimmer since he is an ender
Hadlowe
Starter
You could do worse than Jameer Nelson for a bench guard, even though he has lost a step (or three). He is awfully expensive for his production.
Hadlowe
Starter
I'm ten times more confident in Rondo making a comeback than I am with Rose. Rondo is the type of player who dislocates an elbow and comes back the same game. If there is a way to play at the same level he was at, he will get there.
Chubbs
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MassachusettsKingsFan
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I will likely over value Rondo here. I know I've been hit with that from posters here in the past. I've had the luxury of watching about ... 80% of his entire NBA career.
I want him on this team. He's the target. He's the only guy that makes sense. He is the only passing point guard who is remotely available that I have any interest in. Some will point to Dragic. That guy is Isaiah Thomas. Slightly more pass first. Slightly. Still a scorer and a OK defender at best. Everyone was quick to jump on Thomas for getting torched by Dragic a few nights ago .. do they realize Thomas did the same thing to him on the other end? Whatever Dragic's price tag is, I'm not paying it.
I'm paying for Rondo.
One more thing - We are slowly turning Derrick Williams into an asset again. We can flip him over to Boston in any of these deals. Just another asset to consider. I'd do just about anything to get the Cousins / Gay / Rondo trio and figure the rest out from there.
one more thing x2 - Not concerned with the ACL thing. I mean, I'm as not concerned as you can be about someone with a torn ACL. Rondo is a hard worker. He's light (less stress on knee) he isn't a reckless rim attacker like Rose. He'll be fine.
I want him on this team. He's the target. He's the only guy that makes sense. He is the only passing point guard who is remotely available that I have any interest in. Some will point to Dragic. That guy is Isaiah Thomas. Slightly more pass first. Slightly. Still a scorer and a OK defender at best. Everyone was quick to jump on Thomas for getting torched by Dragic a few nights ago .. do they realize Thomas did the same thing to him on the other end? Whatever Dragic's price tag is, I'm not paying it.
I'm paying for Rondo.
One more thing - We are slowly turning Derrick Williams into an asset again. We can flip him over to Boston in any of these deals. Just another asset to consider. I'd do just about anything to get the Cousins / Gay / Rondo trio and figure the rest out from there.
one more thing x2 - Not concerned with the ACL thing. I mean, I'm as not concerned as you can be about someone with a torn ACL. Rondo is a hard worker. He's light (less stress on knee) he isn't a reckless rim attacker like Rose. He'll be fine.
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Sac.Kings
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Rose waited too long. He may have recovered physically, but mentally he was never the same. Before the injury, he was attacking the basket like a man possessed. Afterwards, he just wasn't nearly as effective as his confidence wasn't at the same level and I attribute that to simply being off the court for far too long. His recovery process was almost twice as long as your typical ACL rehabilitation process and considering there weren't any setbacks from a surgical point of view, he should have returned earlier. He did himself a disservice. Rondo is a warrior, I just love him as a player. You stick him on this team and you will have a very tough team. We would be extremely dangerous for years to come. Someone said he is already 27 .. to that I have to say he just entered his prime. We have Cousins as the young guy and we can build around him for the next decade. Rondo is fine age wise.
Sac.Kings
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I have been asking for Rondo for the longest time around here. It makes sense now more than ever. I can't help but think and hope he is going to be headed over here. PDA is probably waiting for Rondo to play a few games, which means several things:
1) He wants to make sure he is still the player he was
2) It will get us a better draft pick the longer we wait to trade for him and develop some chemistry
3) Longer time period to showcase the players we do not want
Chubbs
Starter
Reading some of these posts, I have to wonder if some of you have ever actually seen rondo play. He might be the best ball handler in the league, incredibly skilled passer. Even losing half a step, if that's the case, he'd get it done. He's just a baller. If they want IT, we give them IT. Pretty simple.
He's the prototype, the pg at the very top of the mountain.
So take a look.
He's the prototype, the pg at the very top of the mountain.
So take a look.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
can't trade Williams again as part of a package until February or so, and frankly he's looking very much like part of the solution here, not the problem.
Sluggah
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for whatever...I really dislike Rondo. Always struck me as kind of shady...maybe playing a little dirty. I dunno. That being said, he's exactly what we need. Great talent, and fits a lot of needs. Which makes me feel icky.
If we land him, I'm gonna have some serious cognitive dissonance issues.
If we land him, I'm gonna have some serious cognitive dissonance issues.
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Hall of Famer
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I don't think you're wrong. I think he's a bit of a jerk. Nonetheless, when you put together a frontline with 2 20pt scorers on it, he's the guy you want/need to run the show.
Kingsfan23
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Is there enough space of time between the time he comes back (in a month?) and the trade deadline in mid February to be comfortable with where he's at?
Chubbs
Starter
Is that a joke?
There are reasons to be for or against the trade, but the argument that IT is better than rondo is a non starter.
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Entity
Hall of Famer
He is practicing now. I am guessing first week of January
'89 Kings Fan
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The only reason for Boston to trade Rondo is for Cousins, we aren't trading Cousins so this is a non-starter.
I actually think the Boston-Sac trade will be:
Thornton + Outlaw -> Wallace + Bradley + 2016 Pick (Lesser of the Celtics/Nets Pick).
There is really no basketball related reason for a team to want Thornton these days. So if we want to move him we have to trade for a worse contract, hence Gerald Wallace. I think Avery Bradley would be the ideal backup PG for this team. Boston of course does it for a big 2016 offseason, with only Jeff Green, Courtney Lee and Rookiee contracts.
Oh and my Jason Thompson prediction:
Sac
In: Stiemsma, Nedovic Out: Thompson
GS
In: Thompson Out: Nedovic, Speights
NO
In: Speights Out: Stiemsma
I love JT, but he is posting Career lows and he is a lot easier to move than Landry. I they want to retain Thomas (and I think they do) then they are going to have move Thompson for an expiring deal.
I actually think the Boston-Sac trade will be:
Thornton + Outlaw -> Wallace + Bradley + 2016 Pick (Lesser of the Celtics/Nets Pick).
There is really no basketball related reason for a team to want Thornton these days. So if we want to move him we have to trade for a worse contract, hence Gerald Wallace. I think Avery Bradley would be the ideal backup PG for this team. Boston of course does it for a big 2016 offseason, with only Jeff Green, Courtney Lee and Rookiee contracts.
Oh and my Jason Thompson prediction:
Sac
In: Stiemsma, Nedovic Out: Thompson
GS
In: Thompson Out: Nedovic, Speights
NO
In: Speights Out: Stiemsma
I love JT, but he is posting Career lows and he is a lot easier to move than Landry. I they want to retain Thomas (and I think they do) then they are going to have move Thompson for an expiring deal.
Stiemsma? Nedovic? Man, some people around here will do anything to get rid of Jason Thompson!
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