Kings on the market for a pass 1st PG. via Chad Ford

[Bricklayer]

I would not give up Thomas + 2 first round Picks for Rondo let alone adding Mclemore, seriously if we are going to be that idiotic may as well throw Cousins in than and completely let them annihilate us........

We are giving up way way to much in that deal, I rather draft two solid players and keep IT/Mac than have Rondo on his own coming back from a knee injury. Seriously if "The Alchemist" does this deal he losses the nickname.

the exact trade is obviously bogus. but the reason for it being so obviously bogus is because our #1 picks are encumbered. And because our #1 picks are encumbered the only major Boston-friendly assets we have are IT + Ben. Hence while we are not giving up 2 first round picks, and indeed can't, that actually means if there were any trade it would HAVE to involve Ben or IT, or more likely both.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Because you can not trade your picks in back to back years. Say we trade the pick to Boston then next year we still owe Cleveland a pick. It can only be a draft day trade that isn't completed till the leagues next fiscal year.

It could be completed on draft day. On draft day a pick is no longer considered to be a "future" pick and is no longer subject to the Stepien rule.

 

[hrdboild]

Just throwing this out there, but since trading the pick is so difficult maybe there's a deal to be made without a pick included? What if we take the Gerald Wallace contract off their hands instead? Cap space in 2015 is a lot less relevant if you already have Rondo/Gay/Cousins in your lineup. At that point you're looking for complimentary players not a max contract free agent so you can afford to eat a bad deal. What about something like this instead?

Rajon Rondo and Gerald Wallace

for

Isaiah Thomas, Ben McLemore, Marcus Thornton, and Jason Thompson

I'm not even sure the Wallace deal is all that egregious considering there's only two years left after this one. But if Boston wants to move him badly enough, this is a way for them to accomplish that and pick up a couple of young players and a rotation big in the process.

In any case, I think we've reached a point where the percieved value of a first round pick this year has probably exceeded it's actual value. If Petrie hadn't made that stupid Hickson trade, we could have had a deal already.

 

[KingMilz]

the exact trade is obviously bogus. but the reason for it being so obviously Bogus is because our #1 picks are encumbered. And because our #1 picks are encumbered the only major Boston-friendly assets we have are IT + Ben. Hence while we are not giving up 2 first round picks, and indeed can't, that actually means if there were any trade it would HAVE to involve Ben or IT, or more likely both.

O Ok, tbh I rather just wait till the offseason and see if we keep our pick or not and in the meantime just try sign/trade a solid veteran PG something like Miller/Hinrich/Jamal Tinsley one of those types, we made enough solid moves so far let it simmer for a bit than next season depending on the lottery pick work from there, I just don't see the need for Rondo right now I was all for getting Williams + Gay but I don't feel the same about this one.

 

[Bricklayer]

Just throwing this out there, but since trading the pick is so difficult maybe there's a deal to be made without a pick included? What if we take the Gerald Wallace contract off their hands instead? Cap space in 2015 is a lot less relevant if you already have Rondo/Gay/Cousins in your lineup. At that point you're looking for complimentary players not a max contract free agent so you can afford to eat a bad deal. What about something like this instead?

Rajon Rondo and Gerald Wallace

for

Isaiah Thomas, Ben McLemore, Marcus Thornton, and Jason Thompson

I'm not even sure the Wallace deal is all that egregious considering there's only two years left after this one. But if Boston wants to move him badly enough, this is a way for them to accomplish that and pick up a couple of young players and a rotation big in the process.

In any case, I think we've reached a point where the percieved value of a first round pick this year has probably exceeded it's actual value. If Petrie hadn't made that stupid Hickson trade, we could have had a deal already.

Yeah, I was looking at the same thing, but problem is that Boston would not want/need Jason's contract for the same reasons it would love to deal Wallace's. And without jaosn in there, we don't have enough contracts to match.

But that was the initial Rondo rumors back in preseason,that they wanted to use him in trade to unload some of the other fugly deals.

 

[Arkitect]

Just throwing this out there, but since trading the pick is so difficult maybe there's a deal to be made without a pick included? What if we take the Gerald Wallace contract off their hands instead? Cap space in 2015 is a lot less relevant if you already have Rondo/Gay/Cousins in your lineup. At that point you're looking for complimentary players not a max contract free agent so you can afford to eat a bad deal. What about something like this instead?

Rajon Rondo and Gerald Wallace

for

Isaiah Thomas, Ben McLemore, Marcus Thornton, and Jason Thompson

I'm not even sure the Wallace deal is all that egregious considering there's only two years left after this one. But if Boston wants to move him badly enough, this is a way for them to accomplish that and pick up a couple of young players and a rotation big in the process.

In any case, I think we've reached a point where the percieved value of a first round pick this year has probably exceeded it's actual value. If Petrie hadn't made that stupid Hickson trade, we could have had a deal already.

Holy Luxury Tax Batman!

We aren't taking on any more salary for next season more than likely. We would could absolutely clobbered by the luxury tax.

 

[Entity]

Yeah, I was looking at the same thing, but problem is that Boston would not want/need Jason's contract for the same reasons it would love to deal Wallace's. And without jaosn in there, we don't have enough contracts to match.

But that was the initial Rondo rumors back in preseason,that they wanted to use him in trade to unload some of the other fugly deals.

Maybe they just want Mac and it. Jimmer, ndiye (Enders) plus mt. We get rondo and bogans or lee lol works for me

 

[swisshh]

Andre Miller seems the obvious option. Familiar to our GM, probably attainable, and another 2 year contract so that all the team's financial weight drops in half at the same time. However, JT is the contract that matches and so you'd be left with Gray as your lone true backup big.

Other options: Ramon Sessions, Beno, and Jameer. I guess Luke Ridnour is an outside option, but he's so bad on D that I think the team may not have interest.

 

[Bricklayer]

Maybe they just want Mac and it. Jimmer, ndiye (Enders) plus mt. We get rondo and bogans or lee lol works for me

Who knows. Be tough to field a team afterwards, but its not out of the realm of possibility. Also seem to remember some talk that we got a trade exception from the Greivis trade? If so that might give us an extra couple of million we wouldn't have to match so we could keep more of our scrubbies just to fill out the roster.

Thing is, all of this, unless we could somehow get Jordan Crawford thrown in, which would be ideal, would still leave us with no backup PG, only now the starter would be a guy coming off an ACL tear who's minutes would likely be limited for a while at least.

 

[hrdboild]

Holy Luxury Tax Batman!

We aren't taking on any more salary for next season more than likely. We would could absolutely clobbered by the luxury tax.

This deal only adds $4.5 million onto our payroll next season. It's repeat offenders that really get hammered with the luxury tax anyway, so I don't think it's a huge consideration. Getting Boston to take back an even longer contract (attached to a reasonably productive player nonetheless) would be the trick, but they're in a weird position right now of not being bad enough for a top pick and not being good enough to compete past the first round of the playoffs. Thompson at least slots into their rotation while Wallace seems to have completely lost his game.

A draft day trade still looks like a lot better fit from Boston's point of view than a mid-season trade would be. If we still have the pick and it's not top 5, we could probably trade down for one of Boston's two picks in the late teens or early twenties and throw in McLemore. Actually, other than Wiggins or Embiid and potentially Exum, I'd rather have Rondo than keep the pick anyway but that's just me.

 

[swisshh]

Of course, Lin for Thornton works straight up. So there's options out there, but it would be a matter of how the team is resolving it's other need. Basically, two biggest weaknesses are a lack of production at guard outside of IT, and a need for another defensive interior presence. So the team needs another guard to rotate in. The other need is a rim protector. Do they think JT can commit to that? His contract is going to be tough to move.

 

[Bricklayer]

Andre Miller seems the obvious option. Familiar to our GM, probably attainable, and another 2 year contract so that all the team's financial weight drops in half at the same time. However, JT is the contract that matches and so you'd be left with Gray as your lone true backup big.

Other options: Ramon Sessions, Beno, and Jameer. I guess Luke Ridnour is an outside option, but he's so bad on D that I think the team may not have interest.

The Jameer thing was something else I almost posted about today, not just because of Jameer, but because right next to Jameer is Afflalo, who PDA had in Denver I think (unless he was traded before PDA arrived there? Not sure of timeline). Thing is Jameer consistently shoots sub-40% anymore, and he's really not a pass first guy. He's experienced though, and experienced at getting the ball to a dominant big, no matter his size. He can also be a good, if little, defender. And then there's Afflalo, with a contract nobody wanted, but now actually threatening Eastern Conference All Star status. What would happen if we offered them a chance to create an Oladipo/McLemore backcourt of the future, while losing tons of games this year to get them another star in the draft? Would they jump at that?

Jameer is an ender though, so might have extra value to them.

 

[kingjatt]

Apparently Rondo and Rudy Gay have a great friendship and Rondo has expressed wanting to playing with him in the past, granted it was an entirely different situation(in Boston) but he would still get his wish.

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2013/01/rajon-rondo-wants-rudy-gay-to-play-in-boston/

 

[Bricklayer]

Apparently Rondo and Rudy Gay have a great friendship and Rondo has expressed wanting to playing with him in the past, granted it was an entirely different situation(in Boston) but he would still get his wish.

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2013/01/rajon-rondo-wants-rudy-gay-to-play-in-boston/

And so the plot thickens.

 

[Entity]

Who knows. Be tough to field a team afterwards, but its not out of the realm of possibility. Also seem to remember some talk that we got a trade exception from the Greivis trade? If so that might give us an extra couple of million we wouldn't have to match so we could keep more of our scrubbies just to fill out the roster.

Thing is, all of this, unless we could somehow get Jordan Crawford thrown in, which would be ideal, would still leave us with no backup PG, only now the starter would be a guy coming off an ACL tear who's minutes would likely be limited for a while at least.

Yeah we got 2.1 mil exception for Vasquez. We would definitely have to get a pg like beno or pooh jeter or something.

Our biggest problem would be no sg. Pretty much have to be Thornton, Thomas, and outlaw for us to field a complete team if it just rondo. If they want Ben they have to give us lee or no deal inmo

 

[Entity]

And so the plot thickens.

So jack is close friend also. Hmmmm

 

[Bricklayer]

Yeah we got 2.1 mil exception for Vasquez. We would definitely have to get a pg like beno or pooh jeter or something.

Our biggest problem would be no sg. Pretty much have to be Thornton, Thomas, and outlaw for us to field a complete team if it just rondo. If they want Ben they have to give us lee or no deal inmo

Oh they'd give us Lee. With that contract they'd PAY us to take Lee.

The real deal would be:

Thornton/McLemore/IT/Trade exception or Jimmer

for

Rondo/Crawford

Because as Crawford has been showing, he can actually run backup PG as well as SG. Of course then unless we retained Jimmer we'd still have only 1 SG. Penalty of packaging piles of lesser assets trying to consolidate it into stars -- gotta love the exact 180 degree opposite of Petrie's approach.

 

[Entity]

Oh they'd give us Lee. With that contract they'd PAY us to take Lee.

The real deal would be:

Thornton/McLemore/IT/Trade exception or Jimmer

for

Rondo/Crawford

Because as Crawford has been showing, he can actually run backup PG as well as SG. Of course then unless we retained Jimmer we'd still have only 1 SG. Penalty of packaging piles of lesser assets trying to consolidate it into stars -- gotta love the exact 180 degree opposite of Petrie's approach.

Which is why you see contending teams not using 12 man rotations. Our last few years our # 12 is just as good as #5 lol. I relish the thought of having 8-9 man rotation mostly 8. Then when the other get in its exciting and energy and they chant their name ala Gerald Wallace back in the day.

Cousins
Gay
Rondo
Thompson
Lee/Crawford
Williams
.??
Gray
.??

 

[Bricklayer]

Which is why you see contending teams not using 12 man rotations. Our last few years our # 12 is just as good as #5 lol. I relish the thought of having 8-9 man rotation mostly 8. Then when the other get in its exciting and energy and they chant their name ala Gerald Wallace back in the day.

Cousins
Gay
Rondo
Thompson
Lee/Crawford
Williams
.??
Gray
.??

Well having an 8-9 man rotation is great...however normally you actually do physically have players #10-#13 on the roster, for practice if nothing else.

 

[Entity]

Well having an 8-9 man rotation is great...however normally you actually do physically have players #10-#13 on the roster, for practice if nothing else.

 

[Section 101]

Yeah we got 2.1 mil exception for Vasquez. We would definitely have to get a pg like beno or pooh jeter or something.

Our biggest problem would be no sg. Pretty much have to be Thornton, Thomas, and outlaw for us to field a complete team if it just rondo. If they want Ben they have to give us lee or no deal inmo

You can't add the $2.1 to a player. You can only trade for players into the slot.

 

[Entity]

We would have outlaw and acy and ray oh and that Landry guy lol. Btw am I the only one nervous about Landry coming back and how that will hurt us?

 

[Entity]

You can't add the $2.1 to a player. You can only trade for players into the slot.

Yeah I know. I wasn't saying that. I was saying we could take back 2.1 mil more than we give

 

[Section 101]

Yeah I know. I wasn't saying that. I was saying we could take back 2.1 mil more than we give

no we can't. A player or players salary has to fit with in the $2.1 exception. You can get multiple players in the exception, but you cannot add it as extra salary in a trade.

 

[Siranthony]

I'm not familiar with Rondo. But I can't see giving up so much for just about anyone. I think Thomas and McLemore are our future.
I really think Thomas is a keeper for years to come. It is hard to tell how McLemore will turn out but I could see trading him with Jimmer , Thompson, Thornton and/or future draft considerations in any combination if the FO really likes the trade.

Really we just need to sign a mediocre PG to back up Thomas. Thornton has been playing better D but he is a bit overpaid for what he does. He is a good backup a guard right now. I would say trade Thornton and Thompson for a decent PG and let Jimmer back up McLemore. Something like that.

 

[swisshh]

Hypothetically, the Kings could trade for Beno or Shumpert without giving New York anything if NY just wanted the cap relief. The excpetion acts as an extension of the previous trade.

 

[bajaden]

Never heard of a team being allowed to promise a pick between 2 teams. Just seems odd and doubt its legal. You could get extra weird with trade scenarios.

"Ok, Our pick is promised from 1-14 , 17-20, 23-26. But we do have the 15-16 slot open. Does that entice you?"

I guess it could be talking about a 2018 pick? Because Cleveland gets our by 2017, no matter what correct?

Anyway, I hope we don't give both IT and Ben in the deal. Just way too much for an injured, overrated (in my humble opinion) star PG.

Actually having two teams involved in one pick is not only possible, but we've done it with one of our second round picks. One of our second round picks, don't remember which one, but possibly our 2015 pick, is promised to one team, but protected picks 31 through 45, and promised to a different team, protected 46 through 60. Obviously, were going to lose that pick no matter where we end up drafting. Its just a matter of who the lucky team is.

 

[Bricklayer]

I'm not familiar with Rondo. But I can't see giving up so much for just about anyone.

Meet Rajon Rondo:

1x NBA champion (2008)
4x NBA All Star (2010, 2011, 2012, 2013)
1x All NBA 3rd Team (2012)
2x All NBA Defense 1st Team (2010, 2011)
2x All NBA Defense 2nd Team (2009, 2012)
2x NBA Assist Leader (2012, 2013)
1x NBA Steals Leader (2010)

 

[Entity]

Meet Rajon Rondo:

1x NBA champion (2008)
4x NBA All Star (2010, 2011, 2012, 2013)
1x All NBA 3rd Team (2012)
2x All NBA Defense 1st Team (2010, 2011)
2x All NBA Defense 2nd Team (2009, 2012)
2x NBA Assist Leader (2012, 2013)
1x NBA Steals Leader (2010)

Brick you're teasing again

 

[Kingsfan23]

Meet Rajon Rondo:

1x NBA champion (2008)
4x NBA All Star (2010, 2011, 2012, 2013)
1x All NBA 3rd Team (2012)
2x All NBA Defense 1st Team (2010, 2011)
2x All NBA Defense 2nd Team (2009, 2012)
2x NBA Assist Leader (2012, 2013)
1x NBA Steals Leader (2010)

We don't know if that player still exists, same as granger or rose. I can only imagine this trade is predicated on rondo coming back and oveR a stretch of time proving he is still the same player