'89 Kings Fan
Bench
I think the writing was on the wall once we signed Landry.
Jason Thompson
Year PER
10/11 13.6
11/12 16.4
12/13 14.6
13/14 10.3
Next year we will be sitting at $63 Million and no starting PG, I'll will be shocked if he makes it past the trade deadline.
Kingsfan23
All-Star
J is a solid, underrated big. Love him. Unfortunate reality is that I don't know if he alone could fetch expirings given the length of that deal. If he goes it would be in a package imho
randymoss1881
Starter
Rondo is comming back in January if he proves the knee injury has no effect like westbrook I would trade IT and ben for him. You don't pass up an all nba talent at a prime position when you have a cornerstone center.
A rondo-cousins-gay core has championship potential. Gay and rondo can be elite defenders and DMC is improving. On offense rondo is still effective without the ball cause he's an excellent cutter and DMC is a good passer. An underrated aspect of rondos game is his it factor and will to win. Remember vs the heat after wade body slammed him and he suffered a dislocated elbow I think he stayed in the game and won that game and continued to dominate the series with 1 hand.
I don't know what it is about rondo but the heat never have an answer for
A rondo-cousins-gay core has championship potential. Gay and rondo can be elite defenders and DMC is improving. On offense rondo is still effective without the ball cause he's an excellent cutter and DMC is a good passer. An underrated aspect of rondos game is his it factor and will to win. Remember vs the heat after wade body slammed him and he suffered a dislocated elbow I think he stayed in the game and won that game and continued to dominate the series with 1 hand.
I don't know what it is about rondo but the heat never have an answer for
That may yet prove to be true but, seriously... Stiemsma and Nedovic?
macadocious
Starter
IDK, I am still trying to figure out the guy above who said Gay is an elite defender.
Assuming we didn't have to send McLemore back -Rondo, an excellent shooter, a star SF and a star big that has the ability to step outside as well. Where have I seen that combination before.
K
KingMilz
Guest
Will Carl Landry be back before the trade deadline? I rather move him than JT tbh, the Williams trade means the Landry signing makes even less sense than when we made the deal all he's going to do is take playing time away from Williams or Mclemore (Rudy Gay slides to SG/D-Thrill to SF), so really I don't see the point in Landry.
I know teams like the Clippers would love him as a 3rd big maybe try get a 3rd team involved so they can give us Collison and they get a back up PG from that other team.
I know teams like the Clippers would love him as a 3rd big maybe try get a 3rd team involved so they can give us Collison and they get a back up PG from that other team.
Chubbs
Starter
Landry and JT do completely different things. I don't see Landry as a replacement for JT in any way. If anything, landrys presence means you need JT even more.
'89 Kings Fan
Bench
It's not how much I value JT, it's how much does the franchise value JT. I think the answer is an expiring contract and a prospect and that's the best I could come up with.
I was totally against the Landry signing, but I think Vivek is pretty determined to clean house. If we trade JT I think we should try Acy in the starting spot. See what he has and he has a low usage rate which the starting five needs.
'89 Kings Fan
Bench
Two problems:
1. If Rondo is for sale, I am sure someone with a pick in the next draft could outbid us.
2. If he is available for what we are offering, I would assume that means Boston thinks he won't recover from his injury.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Amick on record as saying its bogus:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231130/Celtics-Kings-Havent-Discussed-Rajon-Rondo-Trade
Amick is not infallible, especially with the new front office where I suspect most of his old contacts are gone, but Amick >> The Latino Post
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231130/Celtics-Kings-Havent-Discussed-Rajon-Rondo-Trade
Amick is not infallible, especially with the new front office where I suspect most of his old contacts are gone, but Amick >> The Latino Post
Chubbs
Starter
JT is the starter. I think that's a reasonable indication the franchise values him quite a bit, no? He started 81 of 82 last year, 16 of 22 this year.
It's not a showcase. They start him cause he's the best and only pf option opposite cuz on the roster. He will likely be our starter the rest of the season while his detractors look for literally anyone to replace him despite him being pretty much what he always is. Solid, avg, unspectacular. Numbers a bit down, but still, he's the best we have.
If acy is your only other option, you just keep JT cause he's better. A 6'7'pf? We have one of those. Carl Landry.
Celtics are tanking, or at least that's what all their moves indicated in the offseason. That's why they trade rondo. To lose now, maybe save some money. I don't think his injury would have much to do with it.
I don't really worry about Rondo recovering. Maybe I should.
You may be right in that teams with picks may outbid us. If rondo is even available.
Fear the Putin
Starter
IT, McLemore, and our pick?
GTFO
We should do everything in our power to keep IT as our super 6th man. That change of pace in having him is such a luxury and I can't believe some of you would love to get rid of him.
GTFO
We should do everything in our power to keep IT as our super 6th man. That change of pace in having him is such a luxury and I can't believe some of you would love to get rid of him.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
There's a difference between loving to get rid of him, and being willing to get rid of him to create a big three as potent as any in the league. People always get hung up on lesser players, but in the end you will contend because of your stars. you burn whatever assets, and I do mean whatever assets, to get those star in place. then you can worry about building the team around them. This is the same theory Morey switched to in Houston.
Chubbs
Starter
For rondo? A backup 6th man type and a floundering rookie? For a 4x all defensive player, nba champ, two time defending assist leader? Uh, yes please.
You take a chance mclemore goes on to stardom of course. Except than rondo is a star. Right now. No what ifs, he's there and has been there awhile.
Do we want to be average, or elite? Rondo can make a team elite.
Thankfully the pick can't be traded.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
In the NBA you win with stars. The court only holds so many people. When you get a shot at a star, grab him. In this case there may be a risk involved but maybe that's the risk a franchise like this has to take. Be aggressive.
MassachusettsKingsFan
All-Star
As far as I know, Williams can be dealt without restriction (aside from back to the Wolves) by the trade deadline, so that was my line of thinking there. Not sure if Rondo is going anywhere between now and then anyway.
If the difference between getting Rondo and not getting Rondo is Williams, I'm pulling the trigger on that one. I don't trust Williams yet, especially when he's going to be in line for a much bigger deal after next season. I don't know if we are paying him with Rondo, Gay, and Cousins here anyway. I don't know if we'll even have the room, especially if we are going to continue to pursue that rim protector. I mean, if we do acquire Rondo and keep Williams all 3 guys (Rondo / Williams / Gay ) are going to be free agents after next season. It'll be tough if not impossible to retain all of them without going deep into the luxury tax.
Fear the Putin
Starter
I'm all for getting Rondo. That's not what I'm against. But, he's coming off an ACL tear and we have yet to see him play a minute since the injury. Isaiah isn't some 6th man back type. He's arguably the best 6th man in the league and can start on the majority of teams in the league that don't have other All-Star PG's on their teams.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
POR (Lillard): No
GSW (Curry): No
LAC (Paul): No
LAL (Nash): Yes
PHX (Dragic/Bledsoe): No
UTH (Burke): Yes
DEN (Lawson): No
MIN (Rubio): No
OKC (Westbrook): No
MEM (Conley): No
NOH (Holiday): No
SAS (Parker): No
DAL (Calderon): Yes
HOU (Lin/Beverly): Maybe
That's basically 3, maybe 4 other teams in the West.
CHI (Rose): No
CLE (Irving): No
MIL (Knight/whoever): Yes
IND (Hill): Yes (well, on talent, maybe not on fit, be the 6th man again)
DET (Jennings): maybe
PHI (Carter-Wiliams): No
NJN (Wiliams): No
BOS (Rondo): No
NYK (Felton): maybe
WSH (Wall): No
ATL (Teague): No
CHA (Walker): No
ORL (Nelson): Yes (although they might prefer Oladipo for development)
MIA (Chalmers): Yes on talent, no on fit -- be 6th man for both East powers
So maybe 2-5 East teams. Definitely only on two, others might depend on fit.
Now back on Nov 21st when I first mentioned hey, why don't we go get Gay & Rondo, I suggested finding a way to do it that kept IT as well as 6th man. That would be the ideal. But if you can't, you can't. And let's not pretend we can't upgrade the position, in PARTICULAR due to fit now that we have 2 20pt scorers in the starting lineup. And that is the key point here. Its a perfect fit if we could actually make it happen.
GSW (Curry): No
LAC (Paul): No
LAL (Nash): Yes
PHX (Dragic/Bledsoe): No
UTH (Burke): Yes
DEN (Lawson): No
MIN (Rubio): No
OKC (Westbrook): No
MEM (Conley): No
NOH (Holiday): No
SAS (Parker): No
DAL (Calderon): Yes
HOU (Lin/Beverly): Maybe
That's basically 3, maybe 4 other teams in the West.
CHI (Rose): No
CLE (Irving): No
MIL (Knight/whoever): Yes
IND (Hill): Yes (well, on talent, maybe not on fit, be the 6th man again)
DET (Jennings): maybe
PHI (Carter-Wiliams): No
NJN (Wiliams): No
BOS (Rondo): No
NYK (Felton): maybe
WSH (Wall): No
ATL (Teague): No
CHA (Walker): No
ORL (Nelson): Yes (although they might prefer Oladipo for development)
MIA (Chalmers): Yes on talent, no on fit -- be 6th man for both East powers
So maybe 2-5 East teams. Definitely only on two, others might depend on fit.
Now back on Nov 21st when I first mentioned hey, why don't we go get Gay & Rondo, I suggested finding a way to do it that kept IT as well as 6th man. That would be the ideal. But if you can't, you can't. And let's not pretend we can't upgrade the position, in PARTICULAR due to fit now that we have 2 20pt scorers in the starting lineup. And that is the key point here. Its a perfect fit if we could actually make it happen.
Chubbs
Starter
6th man for an all star? It's pretty simple really.
IT is exactly a 6th man backup type. Would I rather pay IT 6-8 million or 11 for rondo or whatever it is. Rondo every time. Rondo can put a team on his back on the largest stage. IT hasn't even shown he can lead a team to regular season wins.
Sure, it's a risk coming off an injury. The payout though is tremendous.
You can't get something for nothing. They're not going to take jimmer and Thornton for rondo.
Edit:thanks brick, didn't think for a second IT would start on most teams.
Kingsfan23
All-Star
Even if PDA has an interest I doubt serious talk would take place until rondo comes back and demonstrates where he is at for some games
Uncia03
Starter
I just want to note that because Williams was the 2nd pick in the draft he's getting paid very well.
5.2m this season and 6.7m in final season.
So my guess is that if he continues to play at this level as a 3/4 combo-forward off the bench that when it comes to contract time he'll probably cost us a less than what he'll cost us for his final season if we end up giving him a 3-4 year deal.
Williams can't be dealt in conjunction with anyone else until January 26. We could trade him right now, but he can't be packaged with any other King, going out.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
ParniValjak
All-Star
Precisely! When you are building a house, you do not put a roof on first before you get the foundation.
6th man is a nice to have asset but a star is a necessity. Jamal Crawford is a heck of a 6th man and he is an MLE type player. Good 6th man is much easier to find and get than a star. I would trade anyone not named Cousins or Gay from this team for Rondo. If McLemore can rediscover his shot, he would be a very nice SG to have next to Rondo but I would still trade him if I am getting Rondo at an All-star level. No reason why he should not be as knee reconstructions are not career ending injuries these days.
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