Kings need a few vets

The target is a third guard with experience or leadership. There are guys on the bubble of this like Duhon, then there are guys way on the vet end like Anthony Carter. Finding a guy who can help teach how to close out games, who can tell the immature kids to shape up and who would be satisfied with 10-15 mins a game is a lot tougher than I thought it would be. All the old guard guys, minus Fisher, are pretty much out of the league. Guys like Carter and Earl Watson may not have enough pull. Raja Bell might be the best option, but he seems like a guy a playoff team would be able to entice.

Out of Beno, Cisco and Dalembert, only Cisco has a real voice to keep guys in line.

I think Ray Felton could be a leader guy, but he would not settle for less than starter minutes.

One option not thrown out there yet is Trenton Hassel. More a swing, but I think he could deal with limited minutes at the two and has playoff experience.

edit: I just forgot an obvious answer and a former King. Damon Jones. He is playing over in Italy, but I am sure an NBA offer would get him to back in the states.

I agree with most of your post right up unti the "edit:" :p

Hard to imagine Damon Jones being a leader or mentor to much of anyone. He was a knucklehead.

It is tough actually to find a guy who has not only experience, but enough leadership/charisma/reputation to make a difference and not just be ignored.
 
Actually, it seems Jones is washed up according to wikipedia:

2010 - present
On March 29, 2010, Jones signed with the Piratas de Quebradillas of the Puerto Rico Basketball League. [13] However, on April 13 he was released, after averaging only 10.7 points in four games played
 
I pooh-poohed the idea in another thread. But actually, Raja Bell would make a lot of sense if he is healthy. Winner, good defender, someone who's got a name that the young guys would respect.
 
I think this really depends on how well Cisco recovers from his injury - he came in a rough spot last year but played decent off the bench. I think we really need Beno as a spark plug off the bench and a change of pace player.

IF Cisco plays the way we hoped he can, smart decisions, consistant long shot, solid defense then we will be in good shape... If not he's a great player off the bench but we will have to continue looking for that one piece that fits with Tyreke and it may just be Beno because they played so well with each other down the stretch last season. We will need that strong solid vet on the floor with our young guys though I think.
While I think Cisco can be an important piece, based on experience and leadership, I still don't like him as one of our top 3 in our guard rotation. I like a Beno/Tyreke backcourt for now, although I obviously wouldn't mind and upgrade. I would have no problem going into next season with a Tyreke/Beno backcourt, but we would definatly need to bring in a more consistent shooter to back them up, as well as someone who can push the ball.

I like Cisco, and his versatility, but have never been as high on him as many are. I know you said "IF" Cisco can play the way we all hope he can. Thing is, he never has. He has never been a consistent shooter. He doesn't attack the paint at all anymore. He's still a solid defender, and has grown, but still will make one or two terrible plays per game. Either a terrible pass at a bad time, or a horribly forced shot.

I like beno off the bench as well. I agree with anyone who think he's a great 3rd guard on a playoff team. However I don't want Beno coming off the bench in favor of Cisco starting. Clearly Cisco had a very rough season, and never got into a rythm after his surgery. But at his age, I don't see him improving. I want him on the team, and he's a great guy to have in the lockerroom. He could hit some timely shots for us. But he gets himself into trouble when he has too much responsibility.
 
I still like the idea of getting Redick as a shooter, although he doesn't really fit the whole Vet and Leadership criteria
 
I think you may be overestimating the talent/combination of talents our 3 backourt players. Will it "work" for now? It depends on what we're trying to accomplish, but I wouldn't be oppsed to adding a younger combo guard to balace things out.
Or, for my part, the vet we're talking about to fill the slot you're speaking of for the same reason you're speaking of. I think we need the vet. I think we need the talent. I think we can to good purpose have this vet contribute significant minutes - +or - 24 minutes per game. I would get those minutes from Udrih, Garcia and Greene and still play each of them in the rotation.
 
While I think Cisco can be an important piece, based on experience and leadership, I still don't like him as one of our top 3 in our guard rotation. I like a Beno/Tyreke backcourt for now, although I obviously wouldn't mind and upgrade. I would have no problem going into next season with a Tyreke/Beno backcourt, but we would definatly need to bring in a more consistent shooter to back them up, as well as someone who can push the ball.

I like Cisco, and his versatility, but have never been as high on him as many are. I know you said "IF" Cisco can play the way we all hope he can. Thing is, he never has. He has never been a consistent shooter. He doesn't attack the paint at all anymore. He's still a solid defender, and has grown, but still will make one or two terrible plays per game. Either a terrible pass at a bad time, or a horribly forced shot.

I like beno off the bench as well. I agree with anyone who think he's a great 3rd guard on a playoff team. However I don't want Beno coming off the bench in favor of Cisco starting. Clearly Cisco had a very rough season, and never got into a rythm after his surgery. But at his age, I don't see him improving. I want him on the team, and he's a great guy to have in the lockerroom. He could hit some timely shots for us. But he gets himself into trouble when he has too much responsibility.

I agree, in that I don't think Cisco is the long term answer. But I do think he will be a positive force for now.

The 98-99 Kings started Abdul-Wahad at SG. The next year it was Nick Anderson. The year after that it was Doug Christie.

That I think is really Petrie's strength. Builing and upgrading around a solid core. I'd say our core is Tyreke and Cousins now...these other very solid, telented pieces we have like Casspi, Greene, JT, Landry, Dalembert, and even Whiteside. They may or may not be a part of the team that really contends. In the same way that solid talented young pieces like Corliss and J-Will were moved for Christie and Bibby.
 
He's not a vet, but what do you guys think about going after Kyle Lowry? He is going into his 5th season, so he has some decent experience, as well as the fact he's been to the playoffs.

He would be a very good pickup as a backup pg for us. He a RFA, but I'm not sure Houston will match. He's not a 3pt threat, but can hit the open jumper. Shooting isn't why I want him though. He attacks the basket, often. He loves contact. He's a pretty good defender, quick feet on defense, physical. Good passer, and looks to create. Also pushes the ball in transition, likes to play uptempo.

I've watched him play a fair amount, and have always oved his game. With the direction this team is going, I think he'd be a perfect fit. His defense and physicality fit in perfectly, and his ablilty to push the ball and create for others is exactly what we need in a backup point.
 
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He's not a vet, but what do you guys think about going after Kyle Lowry? He is going into his 5th season, so he has some decent experience, as well as the fact he's been to the playoffs.

He would be a very good pickup as a backup pg for us. He a RFA, but I'm not sure Houston will match. He's not a 3pt threat, but can hit the open jumper. Shooting isn't why I want him though. He attacks the basket, often. He loves contact. He's a pretty good defender, quick feet on defense, physical. Good passer, and look to create. Also pushes the ball in transition, like to play uptempt.

I've watched him play a fair amount, and have always oved his game. With the direction this team is going, I think he'd be a perfect fit. His defense and physicality fit in perfectly, and his ablilty to push the ball and create for others is exactly what we need in a backup point.

I agree. When you have a team with a 6'6" 220 lb guy as your primary PG I think its wise to have a smaller defensive stopper type too. As he is right now, he'd make a really good fit, for the reasons you pointed out.

The thing that really pushes him over the top in my mind is that he's just 24. He's got a couple elite level NBA tools already, but he's got a lot of upside left in the tank. If he can develop his jump shot a la Bobby Jackson he could be...well...Bobby Jackson.
 
Whoever we get, needs to be able to play off the ball, and not need the ball in his hands much, and needs to be able to shoot the lights out from 3-ball range. Needs to be able to receive a pass from the double team (Cousins down low), and be able to hit that 3 ball.

Ray Allen would be absolutely ideal, but obviously, the chances are EXTREMELY slim. Who else out there can hit 3's with wreckless abandon, and doesn't need to have the ball in their hands very much to be effective?
 
I think alot of people are leaning too heavily towards shooting and not enough towards ball handling ability. Tyreke is currently the only guy in the starting lineup that is an above average ball handler. We need another guy to take a little of that pressure off of him.
 
I like Earl Watson too but what about the other Earl, Earl Boykins as a PG mentor kinda role? And maybe Theo Ratliff or Ben Wallace for the big guy mentor?

I think it's quite important that the vet is a proven winner, knuckleheads respect winners more than just a veteran.
 
Roger Mason

Roger Mason would be good fit... sign him to a 2 year 3.5 mil per year contract.... a younger version of raja bell, if we don't get raja bell.... he comes from popivich defense in san antonio... he can shot the 3, plays good defense.... i'm not so sure about his ball handling though...

he would be able to guard the other teams best 1, 2, or 3 on defense, which will help tyreke conserve energy for offense
 
Roger Mason would be good fit... sign him to a 2 year 3.5 mil per year contract.... a younger version of raja bell, if we don't get raja bell.... he comes from popivich defense in san antonio... he can shot the 3, plays good defense.... i'm not so sure about his ball handling though...

he would be able to guard the other teams best 1, 2, or 3 on defense, which will help tyreke conserve energy for offense

Mason would be good. Though I don't know if he's that good a defender. He can handle the ball and shoot a little though.
 
Roger Mason would be good fit... sign him to a 2 year 3.5 mil per year contract.... a younger version of raja bell, if we don't get raja bell.... he comes from popivich defense in san antonio... he can shot the 3, plays good defense.... i'm not so sure about his ball handling though...

he would be able to guard the other teams best 1, 2, or 3 on defense, which will help tyreke conserve energy for offense

In the last play-off series against the Suns where the Spurs lost 4 straight, Mason only played in two of the games. One game for 12 minutes, the last game for 5 minutes, and he didn't play in the game 6 against Dallas to close that series out.

If Pop wasn't even going to play Mason much in the playoffs, then I'm not sure I want to bring him in for the Kings.

Mason is just really, really inconsistent.
 
Avery Johnson if he still played.. I don't like him much as a coach, but as a player he was pretty good at seeing the floor and quarterbacking.
 
Am I the only one who thinks having Garcia and Beno as our vets is enough?

When you consider the fact that Bobby Jackson and SAR are on our staff, and only retired recently... I'm sure they act as veteran leaders aswell. I mean, if were looking to sign vets to sit on the bench, we alreay have 2 who won't take up roster spots.

Our Chemistry last year was good, adding any big time personalitys could kill that.


I for the most part agree. Unless the opportunity of adding a heavy hitter comes along keeping the moves very strategic seems to be the best direction. Nice summer work so far GP.
 
How much do you guys suppose Morrow is worth? How much do you feel he will get? What would it take to get him to come here? He wouldn't have to move if he came here :D


Morrow would be interesting. Great shooter. But a much worse defender than I think most people realize. He doesn't have very good lateral quickness, so he probably won't be worth the money we'd have to throw at him for Golden State to not match.
 
I think the best strategy going forward is to continue to stockpile young talent through the draft and free agency, if the opportunity presents itself.

Adding veterans could make sense to me if we are contending in the Western Conference, but I believe we are a year away at best from accomplishing that. Adding veterans in the interim would just tie up salary and take away minutes from young players.

I would also point out that veterans are not a necessity by any means. The Thunder played a very competitive series with the Lakers this year despite only having two players playing significant minutes that had been in the league more than 3 years.
 
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I think the best strategy going forward is to continue to stockpile young talent through the draft and free agency, if the opportunity presents itself.
We have been stockpiling the young. We also need talent even if that talent is "old". You can stockpile for the future. For me the future is now. So, if talent is available at a reasonable price, get it. And I think there is such a beast as established or budding talent available. While everyone is hassling for LeBron, Wade, etc., etc., etc. let us sneak in a get one without all the press agents and cost. I think it can be done. Do it now.
 
Miller,
Brad

People won't like the name but I thought he would've been more beneficial for the teams development last season than Hawes. Even more so now knowing what we know.

He was a part our last hurrah, knows the city and front office. He's been around the league and knows players, systems, quirks, and just overall league chatter. He can help the bigs and the guards. He doesn't even have to play.
 
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Miller,
Brad

People won't like the name but I thought he would've been more beneficial for the teams development last season than Hawes. Even more so now knowing what we know.

He was a part our last hurrah, knows the city and front office. He's been around the league and knows players, systems, quirks, and just overall league chatter. He can help the bigs and the guards. He doesn't even have to play.

I don't want Brad Miller near any of our young bigs. Look what he did to Spencer :mad:
 
Yes, if Brad Miller even sets foot in Sacramento somebody should call the cops to give him an armed escort to the edge of town. He is the anti of everything we want these young guys to be. I'd pay good money to keep him AWAY, let alone go out and try to bring him in. Those days are dead, and completely unlamented.
 
two more names that petrie might be interested in is Steve Blake and Mike Miller....

Blake would give them a solid backup point guard that's able to shot the three.... he doesn't need to shoot to be effective...

Mike Miller is a big shooting guard that can shoot the long ball... he can also handle the ball pretty well... he would give the kings a very big back court of 6'6" tyreke and 6'8" mike miller..... the size would be very hard to guard....
 
two more names that petrie might be interested in is Steve Blake and Mike Miller....

Blake would give them a solid backup point guard that's able to shot the three.... he doesn't need to shoot to be effective...

Mike Miller is a big shooting guard that can shoot the long ball... he can also handle the ball pretty well... he would give the kings a very big back court of 6'6" tyreke and 6'8" mike miller..... the size would be very hard to guard....

I have to admit the Mike Miller idea has grown on me. In some ways exactly wrong, until you do consider that size.shooting combo. Very rare. Then your throw in passing, rebounding, and you begin to realize that if you had Miller, and Tyreke, and Donte, and at times a 6'11"/6'11" frontcourt, backed up by all kinds of other size -- 6'3" PG (Beno) 6'7" SG (Cisco) 6'9" SF (Casspi) two more 6'11"/7'0" bigs...as well as little Landry + Brock :)

We would not only be the biggest team in the league, but I ma not exaggerating when I say that we might be one of the biggest teams EVER in the league. And with guys who can create shots and defend their positions too -- Miller is a legit 2, Tyreke a legit 1, Donte/Casspi legit 3s etc. It would be legit size, and it would be a matchup nightmare for opposing teams.
 
I have to admit the Mike Miller idea has grown on me. In some ways exactly wrong, until you do consider that size.shooting combo. Very rare. Then your throw in passing, rebounding, and you begin to realize that if you had Miller, and Tyreke, and Donte, and at times a 6'11"/6'11" frontcourt, backed up by all kinds of other size -- 6'3" PG (Beno) 6'7" SG (Cisco) 6'9" SF (Casspi) two more 6'11"/7'0" bigs...as well as little Landry + Brock :)

We would not only be the biggest team in the league, but I ma not exaggerating when I say that we might be one of the biggest teams EVER in the league. And with guys who can create shots and defend their positions too -- Miller is a legit 2, Tyreke a legit 1, Donte/Casspi legit 3s etc. It would be legit size, and it would be a matchup nightmare for opposing teams.

But his hair!!
 
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