Kings make offer to Iguodala
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That is the clear worry. Did they just gamble away the upside and talent of a 23 yr old who's one of the most efficient SG's in this league and has the potential to be one of the elite two way players in this league, which he's not far from at this point, in order to make a quick splash on an aging, near 30 role player who does little on the offensive end to help win games?
And how about two years from now when Reke is 25 and likely closing in on being a top 5 SG if not already there and really coming into his own, still a year or two from entering his prime while Iggy is putting up 10/5/5 as a 32 yr old while on a near max salary?
This trade might look ok for a year to some, but most likely looks worse and worse each coming season and at a certain point I see all Kings fans pretty much asking WTF were we doing offering Iggy 14M per a few years ago.
Here's a comparison. Last season:
Player A) 12.4 pts .507FG% 5.7 rebs 2.8 asts 1.5 stls 17.67PER
Player B) 13.0 pts .451FG% 5.3 rebs 5.4 asts 1.7stls 15.27PER
One of these players made 9.8M last year, the other we just offered a 4/56M contract. Both are top role players, both play SF. See that much of a difference in production?
Player A is AK47, available right now, player B is Iggy.
And how about two years from now when Reke is 25 and likely closing in on being a top 5 SG if not already there and really coming into his own, still a year or two from entering his prime while Iggy is putting up 10/5/5 as a 32 yr old while on a near max salary?
This trade might look ok for a year to some, but most likely looks worse and worse each coming season and at a certain point I see all Kings fans pretty much asking WTF were we doing offering Iggy 14M per a few years ago.
Here's a comparison. Last season:
Player A) 12.4 pts .507FG% 5.7 rebs 2.8 asts 1.5 stls 17.67PER
Player B) 13.0 pts .451FG% 5.3 rebs 5.4 asts 1.7stls 15.27PER
One of these players made 9.8M last year, the other we just offered a 4/56M contract. Both are top role players, both play SF. See that much of a difference in production?
Player A is AK47, available right now, player B is Iggy.
I've mentioned before, the dream scenario IMO would be to match Reke and then S&T Iggy for Thornton and Salmons. We know what Thornton offers to them, while Salmons would be a stopgap backup SF with a decent sized expiring contract. Contract numbers seem relatively close for such a deal to go through.
I don't think they are incompetent, I just really hope PDA is incredibly good with numbers and that he has something up his sleeve to get both. If we get Iggy AND Tyreke... talk about a roster overhaul. 4/5 starting positions would be set for the next 5 years, and we aren't even that terrible at the final roster spot. One can dream I suppose. I'll hope for the best and dream of both until the final verdict comes out. They stated already that Tyreke fits with McLemore, I just hope that counts for something.
Possibly, but that would be seriously endangering us. To end up with a big long term deal still on the roster in front of our #1 pick...or behind our #1 pick so the big longterm contract would put up anemic numbers for the second year in a row and become completely unmoveable? And the real rub is unlike Reke and Thornton, there is no reasonable way to play McLemore and Thornotn together. Neither is big enough to play SF, neither has the handle nor mentality of a PG. So pure platoon at SG, with one platoon guy earning $8+mil.
I have figured out how it can be done and if a few more million are needed to get Iggy, trade Jimmer for a future draft pick. Just get rid of him. People are in full hysteria mode which reminds me of the Maloof/Petrie era.
My point is that instead of getting all morose, we should assume that PDA knows how to sign Iggy and Tyreke as both players were very happy with their meeting with management. If PDA knows how to do it, let's try to think what he has in mind. I've got it figured out if anyone cares. The numbers are big but they make sense. Perhaps people don't like numbers. Let's wait until Capt. gets back and he can check over what I have come up with. I can understand people might have no confidence in me.
As a hint, Capt was on the same path as I before he had to sign off for the night and he could see how we could sign Iggy AND Tyreke. A clue is that the first year on Iggy's contract is significantly less than $14 mil as $14 mil is the AVERAGE over 4 years.
My point is that instead of getting all morose, we should assume that PDA knows how to sign Iggy and Tyreke as both players were very happy with their meeting with management. If PDA knows how to do it, let's try to think what he has in mind. I've got it figured out if anyone cares. The numbers are big but they make sense. Perhaps people don't like numbers. Let's wait until Capt. gets back and he can check over what I have come up with. I can understand people might have no confidence in me.
As a hint, Capt was on the same path as I before he had to sign off for the night and he could see how we could sign Iggy AND Tyreke. A clue is that the first year on Iggy's contract is significantly less than $14 mil as $14 mil is the AVERAGE over 4 years.
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Maybe they think Reke will actually hinder Ben and the rest of the roster's development, because he can't play the 1? That's not necessarily my viewpoint, that just might be what it is. Of course management is going to come out and say Reke and Ben will complement each other, what else are they supposed to say?
Your numbers are wrong.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/SAC.html
Current cap at $44.5 without Evans cap hold. His cap hold is $13.1 mil. So our current cap with just Evans cap hold is $57.6 mil. Amenesting Salmons frees up $7.5 mil. So basically we would have around $8 mil to sign a free agent with Evans cap hold. If we sign Evans first then we free up the difference from under $13.1 mil to the first year salary.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/SAC.html
Current cap at $44.5 without Evans cap hold. His cap hold is $13.1 mil. So our current cap with just Evans cap hold is $57.6 mil. Amenesting Salmons frees up $7.5 mil. So basically we would have around $8 mil to sign a free agent with Evans cap hold. If we sign Evans first then we free up the difference from under $13.1 mil to the first year salary.
Went through the math, and Captn Factorial is right (no surprises there).
Under assumption that 4.5% is max raise and we go that way:
Reke's 4/48 translates to about 11.2 mil first year and AI's 4/56 translates to about 13.1 mil first year.
If numbers change, as long as it is 4 years and 4.5% increase each year just divide total amount by 4.2782 to get amount for the first year (1+1.045+1.045^2+1.045^3)
Under assumption that 4.5% is max raise and we go that way:
Reke's 4/48 translates to about 11.2 mil first year and AI's 4/56 translates to about 13.1 mil first year.
If numbers change, as long as it is 4 years and 4.5% increase each year just divide total amount by 4.2782 to get amount for the first year (1+1.045+1.045^2+1.045^3)
Truth is that we just don't know. This FO has done a great job at sending out mixed signals and maintaining a strong poker face, which has clearly driven everyone in this forum (including myself) crazy.
I think we've just been trained over the course of several years now to assume that the powers-that-be in Kingsland will more likely than not make the bonehead move that sends us in the wrong direction. Vivek & Co will get the benefit of the doubt from me until they prove me wrong here. We'll know soon enough.
I think we've just been trained over the course of several years now to assume that the powers-that-be in Kingsland will more likely than not make the bonehead move that sends us in the wrong direction. Vivek & Co will get the benefit of the doubt from me until they prove me wrong here. We'll know soon enough.
