Kings make offer to Iguodala

[Sac.Kings]

i want a legitimate NBA PG. Calderon is good too, but Vasquez is better and is improving fast

The problem with Vazquez is he isn't a good shooter. In fact, he and Tyreke shot pretty much the same percentage from downtown last season (.338 vs .342 if I recall correctly). Calderon has no such issues shooting the ball. A lineup with Iggy and a shotblocking 4 next to Cousins needs that PG to be able to hit from downtown. If McLemore is our only threat from 3, teams are just going to deny him the ball and we will sputter on offense.

 

[Glenn]

I thought we have to renounce Reke to sign Iggy to this deal due to the caphold, therefor we lose Reke's bird rights.

No. Amnesty Salmons to free up enough money and I think that is enough. If it isn't enough, trade Jimmer for a future 2nd round pick and free up more money.

 

[Section 101]

What about the MLE?

It's complicated. read number 14, 25, 26 http://cbafaq.com

 

[Entity]

Went through the math, and Captn Factorial is right (no surprises there).

Under assumption that 4.5% is max raise and we go that way:
Reke's 4/48 translates to about 11.2 mil first year and AI's 4/56 translates to about 13.1 mil first year.

If numbers change, as long as it is 4 years and 4.5% increase each year just divide total amount by 4.2782 to get amount for the first year (1+1.045+1.045^2+1.045^3)

report was 4/44 but i saw several different ones but the 4/44 seems to be used most often on the rumor boards. that starts out slightly less than 10

 

[OnYouLikeGlue]

i want a legitimate NBA PG. Calderon is good too, but Vasquez is better and is improving fast

Better how? Defense is the only think I can think of that he's better than Calderon at. Calderon is a better shooter, passer, and has less TO's.

 

[Quix]

We can sign Evans and AI. It would take work and money but it's doable. The issue is does the front office want both players, and I think that answer is no.

I disagree, but I think that is where we are.

I regrettably agree that this is the case. They're too high on Ben.

 

[andjel]

report was 4/44 but i saw several different ones but the 4/44 seems to be used most often on the rumor boards. that starts out slightly less than 10

about 10.3 mil if that is the case.

Lets not forget that we can offer Reke 5 year contract, spread things a little bit more (10.05 first year for 5/55)

 

[Big Cuz 15]

14M per for a role player who can't take over game, get his own shot or get to the rim that much? 14M for 4 years for a guy who's near 30 and likely declines in the next couple years?

That's too much even if we keep Reke. If Reke walks however that was a huge mistake and a terrible deal.

yep.. thats why i suggested corey brewer or any other defensive SF. all we need is a injury to iggy or decline in athleticism and he's going to be deadweight against the cap.

 

[DesertFox]

Vlade was certainly overpaid and over the hill when he got here.

I hate signing older stars as much as the next guy, but iggy is the kind of player who will always fit on your team. I'm iffy on it at the expense of evans, but I was much more unhappy when I found out about mt's deal.

 

[captain bill]

It would be relatively easy to sign both Iggy and Reke. An offer like this makes it likely that Iggy will verbally agree quickly, but it can't be officially signed til the 10th- and neither can Reke's offer sheet, which we would have til the 13th to match.

So a quick agreement would give the Kings as much as 10 days to clear cap room to be able to sign both, which would likely occur by amnestying Salmons and then finding a taker for Thornton's contract. Moving MT could be accomplished by pairing him with Jimmer or a protected pick.

Kings current payroll is $41.5MM per hoopshype. Tyreke has a $13MM cap hold, bringing us to $54.5MM, which means we need ~$10MM more to get Iggy. Salmons, Thornton, and Jimmer combined are due more than $18MM next year, which means with the amnesty and a trade taking back less than $8MM in salary, we can easily get Iggy and Tyreke.

 

[Section 101]

Throwing the Evans fans a bone. One option if they really want to get both is to add the 5th year to Evans contract and lower the first year salary. The average may be the same or slightly lower but the total goes up. He could also get an ETO after the 4th year.

 

[Bricklayer]

mle

once upon a time the MLE was not available to teams that began the free agency period with cap room -- i.e. you can't start with $10 mil in room, spedn it, and then get to add an MLE on top too. Have o start the period with no room.

 

[Section 101]

It would be relatively easy to sign both Iggy and Reke. An offer like this makes it likely that Iggy will verbally agree quickly, but it can't be officially signed til the 10th- and neither can Reke's offer sheet, which we would have til the 13th to match.

So a quick agreement would give the Kings as much as 10 days to clear cap room to be able to sign both, which would likely occur by amnestying Salmons and then finding a taker for Thornton's contract. Moving MT could be accomplished by pairing him with Jimmer or a protected pick.

Kings current payroll is $41.5MM per hoopshype. Tyreke has a $13MM cap hold, bringing us to $54.5MM, which means we need ~$10MM more to get Iggy. Salmons, Thornton, and Jimmer combined are due more than $18MM next year, which means with the amnesty and a trade taking back less than $8MM in salary, we can easily get Iggy and Tyreke.

We can't trade any draft picks at this point till the current protections are gone on existing trades. We can only do a pre arranged trade after we draft the player.

McLemore has a $2.4 cap hold too.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

The problem with Vazquez is he isn't a good shooter. In fact, he and Tyreke shot pretty much the same percentage from downtown last season (.338 vs .342 if I recall correctly). Calderon has no such issues shooting the ball. A lineup with Iggy and a shotblocking 4 next to Cousins needs that PG to be able to hit from downtown. If McLemore is our only threat from 3, teams are just going to deny him the ball and we will sputter on offense.

sputter on offense is the right words. a player that can get his own shot and alter the defense is needed in order to advance further in the playoffs. san antonio lost game 7 because they kept sagging off lebron because.... why? he has elite driving skills. they were too concerned with him collapsing their defense opening up 3 point shooters. we lose reke and we lose that player imo we need. indiana lacked that player who could break a defense down. the advantage they had was down low. now if miami ever gets a menacing defensive center, i'd say game over for the most of the teams out there.

 

[kingwin]

We can't trade any draft picks at this point till the current protections are gone on existing trades. We can only do a pre arranged trade after we draft the player.

McLemore has a $2.4 cap hold too.

we could trade 2nd round picks i believe

 

[Fear the Putin]

No. Amnesty Salmons to free up enough money and I think that is enough. If it isn't enough, trade Jimmer for a future 2nd round pick and free up more money.

for what it's worth, Jimmer will not be playing on the Kings summer league roster. Granted he is a 3rd yr player and they usually don't play, but just maybe something is in the works to ship him out.

Sean Cunningham: Told tonight that Jimmer Fredette will not be apart of the Sacramento Kings Summer League team.
@News10Sean

 

[The_Jamal]

Hope you like the taste of sombrero. Iggy hasn't scored 15 in 4 years. And he hasn't even been efficient in not scoring 15. He's annually a .440-.450 shooter.

Of course, if we continue down this course all it would take is McLemore not being ready -- and at his age that is possible -- for us to suddenly amazingly have scoring problems around Cuz, and Iggy might nudge up a few points out of pure necessity. Reke and McLemore could work because Reke is versatile. Thornotn and Mac can't because they are the same size and both only play the one position. So MT's scoring will likely be moved as well. Indications are that the front office is looking to replace the pizza guy too with a more passing oriented guy. You could have Iggy averaging 13, McLemore doing what Beal did and averaging 12, a new PG (Calderon?) averaging 10-11. Patterson and JT averaging 7pts a piece. And Cuz averaging 20.

53 TS% 50 eFG%. Both good enough for me. Very similar to Reke's efficiency. BTW, Iggy's PPG has dropped because he sacrificed his shots so his teammates could develop (Lawson, Gallo, and Jrue, Turner, Brand on Philly). Personally, an elite defender, unselfish, top tier passing and rebounding, big Bball IQ, would work of Cuz, is sorta what our team needs

And no, we're not going to have scoring problems. IT or Thornton off the bench as a top-tier 6th man. Jt-Ppat platoon is good for anywhere from 16-20 PPG a night. Iggy 13-17 PPG. The real kicker, having a team around DeMarcus where he can get some easy looks and improve.

 

[Section 101]

we could trade 2nd round picks i believe

Nope those are tied up too.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/sacramento-kings-team-salary

Pick Swaps:

2013 – Owe first-rounder (top-13 protected, top-12 protected in 2014, top-10 protected through 2017 otherwise it converts to a 2017 second-rounder, provided it’s higher than 56) to Cleveland Cavaliers (J.J. Hickson).

2014 – Owe second-rounder (provided it’s higher than 56) to Toronto Raptors (James Johnson).

2014 – Owed second-rounder (top-55 protected) to New York Knicks (Patrick O’Bryant, Nate Robinson).

2015 – Owe second-rounder (top-55 protected) to Boston Celtics (Sam Cassell).

2016 – Owe second-rounder (top-55 protected) to New Orleans Hornets (Hilton Armstrong).

2017 – Owe second-rounder (top-55 protected) to Boston Celtics (Marquis Daniels).

So basically until one of these is lifted we can't trade picks up to 2018. Thank you Maloofs.

 

[Dr. Spaceman]

Ziller doing God's work and laying the Reke + Iggy scenario out nice and clean for us: http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2013/7/2/4489044/kings-rumors-free-agency-andre-iguodala-tyreke-evans

 

[kingwin]

Nope those are tied up too.

all of our future 2nd round picks are tied up? well damn

 

[The_Jamal]

yep.. thats why i suggested corey brewer or any other defensive SF. all we need is a injury to iggy or decline in athleticism and he's going to be deadweight against the cap.

Reke doesn't have this same concern? The guy who's been hurt 3 of his 4 years in the NBA?

 

[Sac.Kings]

Just read that Jimmer is not going to be part of the summer league team. Now I don't know if thats an indication of something or simply nothing at all, but it could be telling!

http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html

 

[rainmaker]

It would be relatively easy to sign both Iggy and Reke. An offer like this makes it likely that Iggy will verbally agree quickly, but it can't be officially signed til the 10th- and neither can Reke's offer sheet, which we would have til the 13th to match.

So a quick agreement would give the Kings as much as 10 days to clear cap room to be able to sign both, which would likely occur by amnestying Salmons and then finding a taker for Thornton's contract. Moving MT could be accomplished by pairing him with Jimmer or a protected pick.

Kings current payroll is $41.5MM per hoopshype. Tyreke has a $13MM cap hold, bringing us to $54.5MM, which means we need ~$10MM more to get Iggy. Salmons, Thornton, and Jimmer combined are due more than $18MM next year, which means with the amnesty and a trade taking back less than $8MM in salary, we can easily get Iggy and Tyreke.

Amnesty Salmons and move Jimmer for a 2nd rounder and we can sign both.

Not sure anyone wants Jimmer though. We reportedly tried moving him for a pick leading up to the draft.

 

[Glenn]

It would be relatively easy to sign both Iggy and Reke. An offer like this makes it likely that Iggy will verbally agree quickly, but it can't be officially signed til the 10th- and neither can Reke's offer sheet, which we would have til the 13th to match.

So a quick agreement would give the Kings as much as 10 days to clear cap room to be able to sign both, which would likely occur by amnestying Salmons and then finding a taker for Thornton's contract. Moving MT could be accomplished by pairing him with Jimmer or a protected pick.

Kings current payroll is $41.5MM per hoopshype. Tyreke has a $13MM cap hold, bringing us to $54.5MM, which means we need ~$10MM more to get Iggy. Salmons, Thornton, and Jimmer combined are due more than $18MM next year, which means with the amnesty and a trade taking back less than $8MM in salary, we can easily get Iggy and Tyreke.

I have a pleasant correction to make. HoopsHype's salaries show the Kings salaries at $41,500,000 but that includes roughly $7 mil for Tyreke. That means to account for his cap hold, you add $6 mil instead of $13 mil.

 

[Sac.Kings]

Reke doesn't have this same concern? The guy who's been hurt 3 of his 4 years in the NBA?

3/4 years? What do you mean? He had one serious injury from what I remember and a couple he collected during the season, but I wouldn't begin to enter Steph Curry territory in terms of injury status.

 

[rainmaker]

Ziller doing God's work and laying the Reke + Iggy scenario out nice and clean for us: http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2013/7/2/4489044/kings-rumors-free-agency-andre-iguodala-tyreke-evans

Yup. Here:

But what about a scenario in which the Kings sign Iguodala and retain Evans? Is that even possible?

Here's how:

* Amnesty John Salmons. The Kings' existing salaries then add up to $34.4 million.

* Match that Evans offer sheet, if he signs it. Otherwise, sign him to that four-year, $44 million contract. Starting salary on the cap would be $10.3 million. (Under the Pelicans' rumored offer, the actual payment to Evans would be higher than that in 2013-14 because of a $6.6 million signing bonus. But the cap doesn't care about that, and we're concerned with the cap here.) We're up to $44.7 million.

* Add in McLemore at $2.4 million. That's $47.1 million. Note that Ray McCallum doesn't count against the cap until he actually signs a deal, so the Kings can hold off on that until free agency settles down in a week or 10 days.

* To fit that $13.1 million starting salary for Iguodala under the cap, the Kings would need to free an additional $1.7 million in cap space. Jimmer Fredette is due $2.4 million in 2013-14. You'd be able to trade him for a future second-round pick at the very least, possibly a 2015 or beyond protected first. Trading Chuck Hayes or Marcus Thornton would free up even more room.

* The Kings would then be allowed to use the room exception, which maxes out at two years, $5.4 million. Cole Aldrich?

* The Kings could then sign McCallum and any minimum contract players needed/desired. Not including a player signed with the room exception or other minimum contracts, the Kings would have 11 players on the roster. And the depth chart would look like this ...

 

[Glenn]

Amnesty Salmons and move Jimmer for a 2nd rounder and we can sign both.

Not sure anyone wants Jimmer though. We reportedly tried moving him for a pick leading up to the draft.

Nobody wanted Jimmer but that's when we were trying to get something. Trading him for a future 2nd rounder is an offer no team can refuse. The idea is to dump him (sorry, Jimmer) and not get a player for him.

 

[kingwin]

I have a pleasant correction to make. HoopsHype's salaries show the Kings salaries at $41,500,000 but that includes roughly $7 mil for Tyreke. That means to account for his cap hold, you add $6 mil instead of $13 mil.

so thaat would get us to 47.5 mil...amnesty salmons gets us to 40mil...giving us what 18mil? what is everyone worried about then? jus sign iggy and and sign reke easy peazy

 

[NewArena]

Regardless of what happens, our front office thinks so highly of McLemore that they literally are about to gut our roster, get rid of Tyreke, sign Iggy to a terrible deal, and 100% bank on McLemore becoming the teams 2nd star. Thats a lot of pressure, and a lot of risk, along with some bad decision making.

Where did you read that this was going to happen? lol

 

[Glenn]

Yup. Here:

But what about a scenario in which the Kings sign Iguodala and retain Evans? Is that even possible?

Here's how:

* Amnesty John Salmons. The Kings' existing salaries then add up to $34.4 million.

* Match that Evans offer sheet, if he signs it. Otherwise, sign him to that four-year, $44 million contract. Starting salary on the cap would be $10.3 million. (Under the Pelicans' rumored offer, the actual payment to Evans would be higher than that in 2013-14 because of a $6.6 million signing bonus. But the cap doesn't care about that, and we're concerned with the cap here.) We're up to $44.7 million.

* Add in McLemore at $2.4 million. That's $47.1 million. Note that Ray McCallum doesn't count against the cap until he actually signs a deal, so the Kings can hold off on that until free agency settles down in a week or 10 days.

* To fit that $13.1 million starting salary for Iguodala under the cap, the Kings would need to free an additional $1.7 million in cap space. Jimmer Fredette is due $2.4 million in 2013-14. You'd be able to trade him for a future second-round pick at the very least, possibly a 2015 or beyond protected first. Trading Chuck Hayes or Marcus Thornton would free up even more room.

* The Kings would then be allowed to use the room exception, which maxes out at two years, $5.4 million. Cole Aldrich?

* The Kings could then sign McCallum and any minimum contract players needed/desired. Not including a player signed with the room exception or other minimum contracts, the Kings would have 11 players on the roster. And the depth chart would look like this ...

Now you are getting the idea. We have to be willing to dump people even on bad trades to do this. I think we all would be willing to dump a few guys for future 2nd round picks if all that was necessary. Actually on a 4 year contract averaging $14 mil, the first year is more like 12 mil or so and not $14 mil.