Agent23
Starter
Honestly, it’s a bit premature to say he’s gonna be a bust or be a star. I just get annoyed with Kings “fans” more invested in Luka Doncic than Marvin Bagley.
Kings/Lakers Preseason Game Thread
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Honestly, it’s a bit premature to say he’s gonna be a bust or be a star. I just get annoyed with Kings “fans” more invested in Luka Doncic than Marvin Bagley.
63royals
Bench
See Joshoua, you think the Doncic vs. Bagley debate has already been settled, and that Bagley is a definite bust. You're wrong about that, it's too early to tell. And if you think a player's entire career path can be determined after a couple of preseason games, you don't know enough about basketball to be worth talking to. If you want to admit you were premature in declaring him an obvious bust, there might be hope for you yet. If you want to just move the target like you just did, then you're just a troll who has nothing useful to offer here.
SLAB
Hall of Famer
That actually kind of what made me more excited. If he can look to just be out there and still do 19/10, maybe he can be pretty good once he figures the NBA thing out.
Agent23
Starter
It was so obvious how much “clunkier” the offense got when Fox wasn’t playing. I’m not trying to get too excited but seems like Fox will make a big leap this year.
If you are happy to prematurely throw mud, then men up and be ready to accept people to throw it right back at you when your views are disputed.
I am if I’m wrog y’all can shame me, my issues is saying you can’t judge call the person judging a clown then judge off 1 game as well.
But I hope I was wrong about Bagley and I never called him a bust either
I never once said Bagley was a bust never I said taking him over Doncic was a mistake
SLAB
Hall of Famer
Same boat as you, my friend. I really hope the kid proves me wrong and makes me forget about that other guy.
twslam07
All-Star
At this point, I'd be willing to use Cauley-Stien, Labissiere, Jackson as assets to get my hands on Porter Jr.
Pros would be:
Pros would be:
- Allows us to cash in on these guys so we don't bleed value
- Prevents us from paying someone like Cauley-Stein big money when we're not even close to competing. We need our stars established before we start locking up our cap space in mediocre players.
- It also frees up time for a big man rotation of Bagley, Giles, Koufos, & Bjelica. That will allow us to give plenty of minutes to Bagley & Giles for development while also showcasing Koufos & Bjelica to other competitive teams that may want to give up something of value to get one.
- Moving Jackson would (hopefully) result in Gabriel getting a shot at SF.
- We'd treat Porter Jr. as our 2019 draft pick considering he's redshirting and the fact that we don't own our 2019 pick.
Hoovtrain
All-Star
That would be great but why would DEN do that? Wait I’m thinking you mean Otto. I think that’s more feasible, but would require is taking on a bad contract....which I wouldn’t be opposed to
63royals
Bench
Then what's this?:
Danny Angie and Jerry West tried trading up for Doncic, case closed!
That’s me saying Doncic was the better pick and proven GMs with success agreed, and I stand by it.
Still didn’t say Bagley was a bust
Telemachus
Starter
Stat of the night:
FTs attempted - Kings - 28, Lakers - 55
Fouls - Kings - 44, Lakers - 24
I think someone forgot to tell the refs that it is only preseason.
FTs attempted - Kings - 28, Lakers - 55
Fouls - Kings - 44, Lakers - 24
I think someone forgot to tell the refs that it is only preseason.
Dongoodboy
Bench
Watching the game it doesn’t feel the ref is totally unfair, except the Kuzma tip in over the back of Gabriel. The D-leaguer of 4th quarter lineup did give up a lot of unnecessary fouls and got blown by every single time, neither Giles and Bagley did a good job in helping from the weak side.
kingsfan1984
Starter
Id like to confirm what you saying as true, that you never called bagley a bust. this "63" fellow is trolling you here.
There is a lot of anxiety revolving around the Bagley pick for very obvious reasons. I persoally think that it is an interesting topic. This pick (bagley) was and will be monumentally important to the future success of the kings for next 5 plus years.
There is no reason why it should be taboo to "weigh in" with your thoughts on if its working out or not and why you think that. I for one enjoy reading those posts and want to encourage you to continue to speak your mind and other like you not be shouted down by ppl that dont like to read anythung they view negative.
Bagley regardless of if he will ever be good enough seems to always put himself in a position to succeed with effort and good natural instincts, does not seem afraid of the moment if he ever develops the skills that kind of mind set is lethal. There were a couple times he had good seals but no one saw and I really think Bjelica will help in this regard with his ability to see over people on the wing and his high IQ will help Bagley. Loved what I saw from Fox/Giles
Well we all saw that we have a star in the making in Fox.
The other thing I loved was that they let Bagley play something like 31 minutes last night. He had a chance to just play and take what came to him.
What I saw with Bagley are things that he will amaze us with after he works on things in the long term.
He took a couple of long jump shots that looked good but just did not fall and that will come with work.
He stood around a lot on teammates shots when he was just a few feet away from contesting for offensive rebounds. at least he did not foul out and when he gets more confidence he will be very good down low.
And lastly as he gains strength and some moves to the right I see a player who has a very high ceiling.
The other thing I loved was that they let Bagley play something like 31 minutes last night. He had a chance to just play and take what came to him.
What I saw with Bagley are things that he will amaze us with after he works on things in the long term.
He took a couple of long jump shots that looked good but just did not fall and that will come with work.
He stood around a lot on teammates shots when he was just a few feet away from contesting for offensive rebounds. at least he did not foul out and when he gets more confidence he will be very good down low.
And lastly as he gains strength and some moves to the right I see a player who has a very high ceiling.
Livinthedream
All-Star
Bagley won't get 19/10 every night his rookie year and that is ok. The important takeaway for me is that his stats came easy just like in college. He didn't need to take a ton of tough shots. He just seems to have a knack for being in the right place and then takes a quick spin, step or jump and he's at the rim for the score. When/if he develops a more sophisticated offensive game, then you really have the makings of something special.
Entity
Hall of Famer
we have shooting. over 40% from 3pt through 2 games
sactowndog
All-Star
Going to be hard to keep Giles on the bench when he is hands down already our best big and it isn’t close. WCS doesn’t have Giles passing or shooting ability (which extends to 3). Skal can’t defend or rebound like Giles.
sactowndog
All-Star
Being critical is fine. Lord knows I can be but it should be someone balanced or your point is lost. Those certain Doncic will be better than Bagley have no basis for such certainty. Does Bagley have a lot to work on offensively? Absolutely! But he also has immense physical gifts that could (and I stress could) carry him far. We just won’t know for a couple years.
sactowndog
All-Star
Yeah 19/10 isn’t bad for a kid that has his offensive limitations: no range, one hand. Lots to work on but the potential is there.
sactowndog
All-Star
Some one said this earlier but how do you get we need shooting when we shot over 40% from 3 two games in a row. And that 40% was without Yogi, Bogi or Beli getting any minutes.
Sometimes I have no clue how you form your opinions.
It’s 2 games, we only have Bogdan, Buddy, Ben (somewhat), Yogi, and Bjlecia as shooters.
k_dubb90
Bench
They’re not playing rondo or Lonzo
What was the coaches plan with Fox off the floor?
It seemed many times we had all our players out there and just waited for someone to try and drive and that’s kinda ok if you can pass out of it instead of that player driving into a double or triple team.
And about Ben’s play? To me at least last night he seems to me that I noticed he was involved while he was on the floor and I liked that.
If he can accept a backup role and come off the bench and give us a little offense and solid defense we may have to keep him. But I need to see that constantly in more than one game.
It seemed many times we had all our players out there and just waited for someone to try and drive and that’s kinda ok if you can pass out of it instead of that player driving into a double or triple team.
And about Ben’s play? To me at least last night he seems to me that I noticed he was involved while he was on the floor and I liked that.
If he can accept a backup role and come off the bench and give us a little offense and solid defense we may have to keep him. But I need to see that constantly in more than one game.
Folsomkingsfan
Starter
He would’ve had 30 tonight if he could use his right hand.
What's scary to me is the announcers keep talking about how the NBA refs are cracking down on this and that this year so expect to see more whistles.
Seriously? As if that makes a better experience for the fans? We had Bagley, Giles and Gabriel in there in the 4th and I could not wait for the game to end because it was unwatchable at that point thanks to the refs. They made for a horrible viewing experience at the end there. No idea what the NBA is thinking. Lakers with 55 free throws??? We want less free throws, not more.
Seriously? As if that makes a better experience for the fans? We had Bagley, Giles and Gabriel in there in the 4th and I could not wait for the game to end because it was unwatchable at that point thanks to the refs. They made for a horrible viewing experience at the end there. No idea what the NBA is thinking. Lakers with 55 free throws??? We want less free throws, not more.
burekijogurt
Starter
they are trying to alter behaviour I believe. They are saying we are going to call these certain types of contact as fouls and to show you how serious we are we are going to call it every single time. The hope, I'm assuming, is that everyone gets a message and alters their behaviour to not include those particular types of contact, which then results in a more free flowing game and a better viewer experience
The Philadelphia Dallas game I just watched was exactly the same can’t breathe on players off the ball. All in the sake of eliminating defense for video game scoring numbers, smh.
