[Game] Kings @ Heat - 11/19/15 - 4:30 PST, 7:30 EST

I don't think it's Rudy so much as it's something in the air at times that just sucks the enthusiasm and focus out of our players. Someone mentioned somewhere today (I've read way too many different things to remember where) that it seemed like Boogie was off from the very beginning. And, I've noticed more than once that if Boogie is off, then Rudy seems to try harder to fill the gap. And, when that happens, the malaise spreads to Omri and some of the others.

My opinion is that "something in the air" is what happens when your designated "leader" continues to make bonehead decisions. It drags the team down.

It brings a group of solid guys down, when they have to watch the team "leader" cuss out the coach...and then throw cheap shot elbows. It simply hurts the team as a whole, including the coaching staff. Can't imagine how difficult it is for Nancy to sit there and have to watch this behavior
 
My opinion is that "something in the air" is what happens when your designated "leader" continues to make bonehead decisions. It drags the team down.

It brings a group of solid guys down, when they have to watch the team "leader" cuss out the coach...and then throw cheap shot elbows. It simply hurts the team as a whole, including the coaching staff. Can't imagine how difficult it is for Nancy to sit there and have to watch this behavior

And my opinion is that I've already stated I'm not going to debate putting all the blame on DMC. Have a nice day.
 
I'm not going to make any further comment for the simple reason I think all KF regulars know where each other stand on the whole Cousins issue. .

The only issue is Boogie has a bad temper that gets him into trouble and it is getting old. He is unlikely to change without sports psychologist or therapist or practicing Zen or something that includes taking responsibility instead of portraying himself as victim of circumstances or "being scapegoat" as he said following locker room rant.

I think the league was unfair and showed a double standard but that does excuse him. He got shoved. He should have shoved back instead of flashing the elbow. Then he's playing tonight instead of putting his whole team at disadvantage.

None of this makes him a bad guy since he's not but interferes with responsibility as franchise player and teammate and leader. As a parent of which I am not but I can imagine you can love your child without condoning impetuous behavior. I think that's where 90% of Kings fans are at with Boogie. They love the guy but tired of these periodic antics.

The hope was that if you put a structure in place around Boogie these episodes would subside and go away. But Karl is NOT the coach to facilitate that. Boogie doesn't respect him enough and Karl does not have a force of personality or apparently the strategic mind based on early returns to illicit that cooperation. Malone was this guy and Thibodeau could be that guy. This is why Karl is a placeholder IMHO who probably lasts season but not beyond.
 
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My opinion is that "something in the air" is what happens when your designated "leader" continues to make bonehead decisions. It drags the team down.

It brings a group of solid guys down, when they have to watch the team "leader" cuss out the coach...and then throw cheap shot elbows. It simply hurts the team as a whole, including the coaching staff. Can't imagine how difficult it is for Nancy to sit there and have to watch this behavior

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What other players have done who don't have the same history as Cuz doesn't matter. I as much as anyone laments the pansy league the NBA has become but Cuz is more than aware of it, aware the NBA has eyes on him, aware that he has less leeway than many across the league.

Can complain all you like but don't throw the f'ing elbow and he's playing tonight.
 
I'm a huuuuuuuuuge fan of Cuz. He's the franchise.

That being said, I draw the line at defending him for blatantly throwing an elbow at another dude's head. That is bush league, and the resulting suspension is probably going to land us an L in what was otherwise a winnable game tonight (Cuz owns Whiteside).

Yes, other greats have gotten in fights. And I myself have used the "other greats have been hot heads" argument when defending Cuz in other threads. But what he did last night was straight up cheap.

As great as he is, Cuz still needs to get his head on straight before he can live up to his seemingly unlimited potential. Defenders game plan is to get under his skin. Because the best way to take Cuz out of the game is to let him do it to himself. Hell, that's the only way to take Cuz out.

Moving forward, I hope Cousins uses this as a learning experience. I have no doubt in my mind that he is angry with himself for getting baited. Just remains to be seen if he can toughen up and stay cool when he's getting hammered out there. Otherwise this is just going to keep happening.
 
I question whether his style of play is valuable for a playoff contender...and then actually in the playoffs. He certainly has very good talent. Wish he would find new ways to use it

I'm sick of this whole blame Rudy thing. The bottom line to me is this - we have a legit team this year, and Rudy is a legit player. There is no reason we shouldn't be playing good ball as a team. The reason we are a losing team right now is not b/c Rudy doesn't have fire or grit or whatever, it's an entire team effort. That said, it's not Ben's or Marco's fault either. You can't look at one guy and say, he's the reason we're losing right now. Again, we have LEGIT players on this squad, and if we put them in a position to succeed, i think we can win a lot of games. Rudy Gay is one of, if not the most skilled player at his position that was willing to sign on with us. I'm not saying he's a championship caliber player, but he's darn good, and if we can't be a .500 ball club with players as talented as Rudy, then we have some major problems.

P.S. Not trying to single you out or take anything out of proportion ShastaKingsFan, just not digging people pointing to one specific player and saying "this is the reason why we're losing."
 
I'm sick of this whole blame Rudy thing. The bottom line to me is this - we have a legit team this year, and Rudy is a legit player. There is no reason we shouldn't be playing good ball as a team. The reason we are a losing team right now is not b/c Rudy doesn't have fire or grit or whatever, it's an entire team effort. That said, it's not Ben's or Marco's fault either. You can't look at one guy and say, he's the reason we're losing right now. Again, we have LEGIT players on this squad, and if we put them in a position to succeed, i think we can win a lot of games. Rudy Gay is one of, if not the most skilled player at his position that was willing to sign on with us. I'm not saying he's a championship caliber player, but he's darn good, and if we can't be a .500 ball club with players as talented as Rudy, then we have some major problems.

P.S. Not trying to single you out or take anything out of proportion ShastaKingsFan, just not digging people pointing to one specific player and saying "this is the reason why we're losing."

I'm looking a bit more "down the line", with the thought of do we have the type of players who could actually maintain their level of play in a playoff series? Rudy makes me wonder with his style of play.

He's certainly not the reason we couldn't be a .500 team
 
Besides history not being on their side in regards to Boogie playing or not....I can't remember the last time Kings won in South Beach. I can't seem to find it anywhere though. Karl gets to play small ball now and watch Whiteside go for 20/20.
 
Yet another example of DMC being mentally weak and letting his emotions hurt the team.

The moment there is a player that can stop Boogie and make him miss so many shots is the moment where he decides he wants to lash out at the player. It's happened time and time again. Some things never change. Got to move on and take the loss and get ready for Orlando.
 
L.

As much as I want to see a bunch of horrible Rudy isos, and as keen as I am to watch Hassan destroy us, and as thrilled as I would be to observe another night of 6+ TOs from Rondo as we desperately try to push the pace to full retard levels (never go full retard)....I think I'm going to pass on watching this one.
I don't care what anyone says.. Tropic Thunder is hilarious.
 
On the play in question Al Horford is standing on DeMarcus' foot while shoving him in the throat. Now I like Al Horford, nothing personal against him but that kind of BS is a foul two times over (wasn't called) and deserving of an elbow to the head. Yes DeMarcus needs to learn to control his temper better but this has always been the way basketball is played. There is going to be contact under the basket and you're not always going to get the call. An elbow to the head is no more egregious in my opinion than a shove to the throat. The only thing I blame DeMarcus for in this case is being overly demonstrative about it. You can send the same message without daring the refs to eject you. Fair or not, the second guy is always going to attract the most attention and smart veteran players know that.
 
The moment there is a player that can stop Boogie and make him miss so many shots is the moment where he decides he wants to lash out at the player. It's happened time and time again. Some things never change. Got to move on and take the loss and get ready for Orlando.

If he ever learns to meet an adverse challenge, without negative response,....it will be a very good thing
 
I'm debating watching this game. It is actually on at a good time for me here in the eastern time zone but Boogie is no playing.
 
On the play in question Al Horford is standing on DeMarcus' foot while shoving him in the throat. Now I like Al Horford, nothing personal against him but that kind of BS is a foul two times over (wasn't called) and deserving of an elbow to the head. Yes DeMarcus needs to learn to control his temper better but this has always been the way basketball is played. There is going to be contact under the basket and you're not always going to get the call. An elbow to the head is no more egregious in my opinion than a shove to the throat. The only thing I blame DeMarcus for in this case is being overly demonstrative about it. You can send the same message without daring the refs to eject you. Fair or not, the second guy is always going to attract the most attention and smart veteran players know that.
It's basketball, there's ample opportunity to retaliate in a manner throughout the game without being so blatantly obvious.

As to the examples of past players, I'd agree, I wish we had more of that in the modern NBA. I loved that stuff. But I'd also say those guys would have adapted to whatever landscape they were in. It's not the 80s/90s anymore. Have to adapt.

Lebron gets cheap shots all the time. He also doesn't react with elbows to the head. Actually, have seen him throw an elbow once or twice but he does it in the flow of the game, intelligently, when attacking the basket. This is also where a guy like Acy is supposed to come into play. Tell your enforcer and have him retaliate. If Acy can't do that I don't know what he's good for.

If stepping on Cuz's foot and a high elbow when boxing out is all it takes for Cuz to react and get suspended, expect more teams to try to get under his skin.
 
For me it wasn't the stupid move by Boogie with the elbow. First of all, a lot of the fights that Bird/Charles/Mourning put up was because the game was physical and they weren't going to be bullied. Boogie just elbowed out of pure frustration.

Secondly, it's the body language. Complaining to the ref and not getting back on D. Slowly trotting back down the court because he didn't get a call. Can people just admit that Boogie's constant whining is a detriment to the team? Boogie is a HELL of a player. He's by FAR the best player on the team. But I'd take a Boogie 10% less talented that hustles on every play and doesn't complain, over the Boogie that's sulking all the time. The guy acts like a twelve year old out there, and apologists are only making it worse. The guy needs to get his act together if this team is to ever be taken seriously.
 
I'm not a mind reader so I don't know why DeMarcus threw the elbow.

From the video I do know Horford did a nice job of slipping that elbow.
 
It's basketball, there's ample opportunity to retaliate in a manner throughout the game without being so blatantly obvious.

As to the examples of past players, I'd agree, I wish we had more of that in the modern NBA. I loved that stuff. But I'd also say those guys would have adapted to whatever landscape they were in. It's not the 80s/90s anymore. Have to adapt.

Lebron gets cheap shots all the time. He also doesn't react with elbows to the head. Actually, have seen him throw an elbow once or twice but he does it in the flow of the game, intelligently, when attacking the basket. This is also where a guy like Acy is supposed to come into play. Tell your enforcer and have him retaliate. If Acy can't do that I don't know what he's good for.

If stepping on Cuz's foot and a high elbow when boxing out is all it takes for Cuz to react and get suspended, expect more teams to try to get under his skin.

That was exactly my point. I have no problem with the retaliation on principle. Just don't be so blatantly obvious about it.

For me it wasn't the stupid move by Boogie with the elbow. First of all, a lot of the fights that Bird/Charles/Mourning put up was because the game was physical and they weren't going to be bullied. Boogie just elbowed out of pure frustration.

Secondly, it's the body language. Complaining to the ref and not getting back on D. Slowly trotting back down the court because he didn't get a call. Can people just admit that Boogie's constant whining is a detriment to the team? Boogie is a HELL of a player. He's by FAR the best player on the team. But I'd take a Boogie 10% less talented that hustles on every play and doesn't complain, over the Boogie that's sulking all the time. The guy acts like a twelve year old out there, and apologists are only making it worse. The guy needs to get his act together if this team is to ever be taken seriously.

Oh, I fully agree with this. I think the overreaction (one game suspension) to what was a pretty typical basketball play is a little uncalled for, but that's the age we live in. But it's true that DeMarcus has a real problem with taking himself out of the game mentally when he feels like he's not getting calls.

I was at the Clippers game at Staples earlier this year when he injured himself and sat out the second half. There was a point in the second quarter when it became obvious that DeMarcus was frustrated at how much contact he was absorbing under the basket because he started flinging himself around like a bowling ball and basically just running people over. That was the play he got injured on and we had to play without him for 4 games because of it. He's still his own worst enemy at times and I sure hope somebody on the team is forcing him to watch tape of his occasional temper tantrums so he can see how much it hurts the team. Just telling him to knock it off isn't going to work -- he needs to understand why and then he needs to make the decision on his own.
 
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My opinion is that "something in the air" is what happens when your designated "leader" continues to make bonehead decisions. It drags the team down.

It brings a group of solid guys down, when they have to watch the team "leader" cuss out the coach...and then throw cheap shot elbows. It simply hurts the team as a whole, including the coaching staff. Can't imagine how difficult it is for Nancy to sit there and have to watch this behavior

It would also help if Rudy could play with energy, Marco could hit a shot consistently, Rondo could keep the ball out of the 2nd row, etc. Blaming this on Cuz is silly. If these vet pros are dependent on one man to play an adequate game, perhaps they should switch jobs.
 
There is definitely no doubt that his tendency to complain to the ref really comes back to bite us in the *** at times. In close games, 1-2 possessions can be the difference between winning and losing. Don't teams look at game film, doesn't anyone talk to him about this? We go as far as Cousins goes, it's just frustrating to watch him take himself (and us) out of the game. He plays with a huge chip on his shoulder, and while that is one of his greatest strengths, it also contributes to his largest weakness, his focus. Last night, there were several possessions where I had to wait 5+ seconds (the rest of the team was already on the other side of the court) for Cousins to come into the frame, which is just ridiculous.

For example, let us say that he was late getting up the court 5 times last night (random number, but wouldn't surprise me if it was somewhat accurate). Let's say they scored on 4/5 of those possessions due to Cousins not being on time. Now, let us say he wasn't late for any of them, and he forced them to miss 2 additional shots, scoring only 2/5 possessions. Had everything else played out like it did last night and he made it back in time to play defense, those two additional missed shots would have meant that when Collison hit the three to bring us within two, it actually would have given us the lead, and potentially the game.

I know those numbers are random and the entire scenario is hypothetical, but there were certainly at least two or three possessions in which he was nowhere to be found on the correct side of the court, and playing defense 4 on 5 is obviously not to our advantage. I am not trying to hate on Cousins, as he is a beast and unstoppable when focused and on his game. My point is is that we are a new team and already have issues in regards to lack of chemistry and turnovers, we really don't need to give up even more points by playing poor defense. Cousins-Rondo-Rudy-Karl were our biggest problems last night, as one couldn't focus and tried to elbow someone, one throwing the ball everywhere, the other taking stupid shots and not playing defense, and finally our coach, who doesn't play the players that play well (or if you're a rookie, just because).

He is the face of the franchise and his behavior, whether he accepts this or not, is reflected on the entire organization and directly affects the play of his teammates. He has to elevate his leadership skills in order to take this franchise to higher levels. This may not seem fair, but tough. You call yourself the leader, so it's on you to lead. Gotta practice what you preach Cousins!
 
Are people allowed to have "off" nights?

I want our outside shooters to earn their pay tonight.
 
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