Kings get #4 pick

[Superman]

Its not just getting the 4th pick -- people aren't talking about what made this so very difficult to salvage -- not only did we get the 4th pick, but the 3 teams picking ahead of us could not have worked out any worse for us. Two young teams in OKC and Memphis almost sure to want to keep their picks, and then the one veteran team you could potentially try to swap picks with (the Clippers) end up with #1 which they are almost sure to keep themsleves. So not only did we end up #4, but the bounce of the balls made it virtually impossible for us to move higher. If we had been #4 and Washington, the Clippers, or one of the deeper more veteran lottery tewams had been #2 or #3, maybe we could have moved up or nabbed the pick. But as is, nothing short of offering Kevin Martin would allow us to move up, and even if you wanted to do that the draft order again screws us -- presumably you would only do that to get Rubio, and Memphis is sitting at #2 wiht Gay/Mayo. If OKC had been #2, then maybe you could have thought about that.

Just absolutely 100% could not have worked out any worse for us. Only real hope would seem to be that maybe, just maybe, OKC likes Harden enough to take him over Thabeet (or more likely offer us Thabeet for Harden and one of our 2nd rounders). But that's about it.

As most here know, I had never tied our team's future into the Draft anyways. I mean, it would be nice to pick first and be in control of who you get, but #4 isn't mince meat, and it's what I had settled on in my mind anyways. Plus we pick at #23 also, and we're going to have some tempting expiring contracts that either come off our books or possibly help us fetch a nice player in a trade. If we don't like what's there when we're on the clock at #4, we could play like it like the Browns and move down, winding up with 3 first rounders (when is the last time that happened in Sac?).

I just refuse to believe that all is lost because we got screwed in the Lottery. There's still a number of good things that can happen for us between now and the end of next season that puts us back on the map.

 

[BMiller52]

As most here know, I had never tied our team's future into the Draft anyways. I mean, it would be nice to pick first and be in control of who you get, but #4 isn't mince meat, and it's what I had settled on in my mind anyways. Plus we pick at #23 also, and we're going to have some tempting expiring contracts that either come off our books or possibly help us fetch a nice player in a trade. If we don't like what's there when we're on the clock at #4, we could play like it like the Browns and move down, winding up with 3 first rounders (when is the last time that happened in Sac?).

I just refuse to believe that all is lost because we got screwed in the Lottery. There's still a number of good things that can happen for us between now and the end of next season that puts us back on the map.

+1. The draft isn't going to work out like we hoped it would, but we aren't as screwed as we seem to believe we are either. Jennings or someone like that could turn out to be a good PG/franchise PG, and we have the flexibility to make a trade with 23, 31, Kenny's expiring, and our other young players like Greene. We have some cap room too this offseason, so we can make a trade and take back more than we give up.

 

[Superman]

+1. The draft isn't going to work out like we hoped it would, but we aren't as screwed as we seem to believe we are either. Jennings or someone like that could turn out to be a good PG/franchise PG, and we have the flexibility to make a trade with 23, 31, Kenny's expiring, and our other young players like Greene. We have some cap room too this offseason, so we can make a trade and take back more than we give up.

Yeah, I forgot that we have 31 also. There's lots we can do to improve our standings in the draft.

 

[ParniValjak]

Yeah, I forgot that we have 31 also. There's lots we can do to improve our standings in the draft.

Pick 31 in this draft has the value of a burnt apple pie!

In all honesty we should be thrilled if we get a solid bench player.

 

[kingsnation]

There will be a diamond in the rough, it's just a matter of who's willing to go find them.

 

[Andre87]

this is what I've said earlier during a season tanking only won't get you number 1 pick

 

[Vlade4GM]

this is what I've said earlier during a season tanking only won't get you number 1 pick

It might not get you the no.1 pick, I don't think anyone said it guaranteed us the no.1 pick.

 

[Bricklayer]

this is what I've said earlier during a season tanking only won't get you number 1 pick

But it will keep you close.

I said from day 1, given the pissy nature of this draft being able to fall no further than 4th was just as important as having the shot at #1. In a LeBron draft, no. Its #1 or bust (although obviously the only bust in the top 5 there was Darko). But in this draft, being worst was dfamage control -- no matter how bad our luck, it kept us in play. And that's what happened. We got screwed, but we're still right on the edge of being able to do something -- if Rubio slips, or Thabeet slips, or one of the teams ahead of us wants to make a move, we're in prime position. If we were picking 8th we would not be.

 

[thegreatest]

Not sure if posted, but maybe some hope for you guys..

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_a...rubio_will_use_leverage_to_avoid_memphis_okc/

 

[Superman]

Pick 31 in this draft has the value of a burnt apple pie!

In all honesty we should be thrilled if we get a solid bench player.

I'm always shocked to hear people say stuff like that. You can go back several seasons to find really good, sometimes great players in the second round of the NBA draft.

Mehmet Okur, Monta Ellis, Rashard Lewis, Manu Ginobili, Gilbert Arenas, Mo Williams, Anderson Varejao, Carlos Boozer, Michael Redd, etc. All second rounders.

I'm not saying that we're going to draft a future all-star in the second round, but we could. We could use that pick with #23 to move up into the mid-teens (17 or so) if there's someone there that we like.

All I'm saying is that we're still in good shape. The fourth pick isn't gutter trash, neither is 23 or 31.

 

[kupman]

But it will keep you close.

I said from day 1, given the pissy nature of this draft being able to fall no further than 4th was just as important as having the shot at #1. In a LeBron draft, no. Its #1 or bust (although obviously the only bust in the top 5 there was Darko). But in this draft, being worst was dfamage control -- no matter how bad our luck, it kept us in play. And that's what happened. We got screwed, but we're still right on the edge of being able to do something -- if Rubio slips, or Thabeet slips, or one of the teams ahead of us wants to make a move, we're in prime position. If we were picking 8th we would not be.

Have you traveled to "our time" from the future? Are you actually Daniel Faraday from Lost?

I personally have no idea how this draft will pan-out. It is all just educated guesses at this point, which may or may not have anything to do with reality.

 

[Superman]

Have you traveled to "our time" from the future? Are you actually Daniel Faraday from Lost?

I personally have no idea how this draft will pan-out. It is all just educated guesses at this point, which may or may not have anything to do with reality.

I didn't see anything in Brick's post that insinuated that he was trying to predict the future. He simply said that having the 4th pick is a good thing, even if it's not the #1 pick like we were hoping for.

But it would be sweet if he was Faraday, or better yet, Desmond Hume, or better yet, Jacob. But Brick's a lawyer. He lives in the now.

 

[kupman]

I didn't see anything in Brick's post that insinuated that he was trying to predict the future. He simply said that having the 4th pick is a good thing, even if it's not the #1 pick like we were hoping for.

But it would be sweet if he was Faraday, or better yet, Desmond Hume, or better yet, Jacob. But Brick's a lawyer. He lives in the now.

This looks like a statement of what this draft is.

I said from day 1, given the pissy nature of this draft being able to fall no further than 4th was just as important as having the shot at #1.

We in fact do not know nature of this draft - they are only guesses that often turn-out to be wrong. I think that we all need to be reminded of this.

As for your second point, if Brick turns-out to be Kate, my view of him will change in very significant ways.

 

[NME]

I'm always shocked to hear people say stuff like that. You can go back several seasons to find really good, sometimes great players in the second round of the NBA draft.

Mehmet Okur, Monta Ellis, Rashard Lewis, Manu Ginobili, Gilbert Arenas, Mo Williams, Anderson Varejao, Carlos Boozer, Michael Redd, etc. All second rounders.

I'm not saying that we're going to draft a future all-star in the second round, but we could. We could use that pick with #23 to move up into the mid-teens (17 or so) if there's someone there that we like.

All I'm saying is that we're still in good shape. The fourth pick isn't gutter trash, neither is 23 or 31.

I always envy that 1st pick of the second round, and now we have it. Every year there seems to be an extremely intriguing player or two who dropped and we hope they'll continue to drop to the King's slot, and every time they're grabbed a handful of picks before us.

 

[NME]

Have you traveled to "our time" from the future? Are you actually Daniel Faraday from Lost?

Whatever happened, happened.

 

[bajaden]

I didn't see anything in Brick's post that insinuated that he was trying to predict the future. He simply said that having the 4th pick is a good thing, even if it's not the #1 pick like we were hoping for.

But it would be sweet if he was Faraday, or better yet, Desmond Hume, or better yet, Jacob. But Brick's a lawyer. He lives in the now.

I thought they were all politicians and lived in DC....

 

[Warhawk]

I thought they were all politicians and lived in DC....

And live in your wallet.

 

[fnordius]

Mehmet Okur, Monta Ellis, Rashard Lewis, Manu Ginobili, Gilbert Arenas, Mo Williams, Anderson Varejao, Carlos Boozer, Michael Redd, etc. All second rounders.

That's true, but it's also true that in that time span there have been hundreds of second rounders who were more like Alain Digbeu, DeJuan Wheat or Ed Elisma. Geoff would need to develop an interest in really researching and trying in the second round, something he is not known for. And he would need a lot of luck. You mention 9 good players out of about 325, that gives Geoff a 2.77% chance, roughly 1 in 36. And there aren't 36 guys in the second round, so even if he had flawless prophetic abilities, he might still not come up with much.

I'm not saying that it can't happen, but I'm sure not going to get my hopes up.

 

[theclash4u5]

this is what I've said earlier during a season tanking only won't get you number 1 pick

Wrong. Because the Clippers CLEARLY tanked their season (injures to Davis, Camby, Kaman, etc) and got the #1 pick. The reason why it was important that we were the worst team in the league is because given our luck, we could have dropped to #5 like the Wizards (2nd worst team) or #6 if we were the 3rd worst team. #4 is bad, but could you imagine having the 6th or 7th pick after the season we had (obviously we would have had to have a few extra wins to jump up to the 3rd worst team)?

 

[Superman]

That's true, but it's also true that in that time span there have been hundreds of second rounders who were more like Alain Digbeu, DeJuan Wheat or Ed Elisma. Geoff would need to develop an interest in really researching and trying in the second round, something he is not known for. And he would need a lot of luck. You mention 9 good players out of about 325, that gives Geoff a 2.77% chance, roughly 1 in 36. And there aren't 36 guys in the second round, so even if he had flawless prophetic abilities, he might still not come up with much.

I'm not saying that it can't happen, but I'm sure not going to get my hopes up.

I'm not suggesting that we're going to get the next Carlos Boozer with the 31st pick. I'm just saying that that pick can wind up being good for us. I know Petrie doesn't have a great second round record, but he's also never had the first pick in the second round. And again, you put 23 and 31 together, and you might get 17 or 18, and now we're in a different situation.

I'm certainly not getting my hopes up, but I never had my hopes up for #1 either, which is probably why I'm not so devastated as everyone else is right now about #4. At the end of the day, it's not the NBA that screwed us: we screwed ourselves by assuming we'd be picking first. I always assumed we'd be picking fourth, and anything better than that would have been awesome.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Damnit! I'm still pissed off about this. Neither the Clippers nor Memphis deserve a top 2 pick, it's so unfair! The Clippers have blown every talent they've ever gotten, Memphis already has a franchise player, as well as OKC; and Clippers already have a PF and Memphis already has a PG. It's not fair, we should've gotten at least the 2nd pick.

It's not fair!

 

[mm16]

Damnit! I'm still pissed off about this. Neither the Clippers nor Memphis deserve a top 2 pick, it's so unfair! The Clippers have blown every talent they've ever gotten, Memphis already has a franchise player, as well as OKC; and Clippers already have a PF and Memphis already has a PG. It's not fair, we should've gotten at least the 2nd pick.

It's not fair!

Wow.

 

[kennadog]

That's true, but it's also true that in that time span there have been hundreds of second rounders who were more like Alain Digbeu, DeJuan Wheat or Ed Elisma. Geoff would need to develop an interest in really researching and trying in the second round, something he is not known for. And he would need a lot of luck. You mention 9 good players out of about 325, that gives Geoff a 2.77% chance, roughly 1 in 36. And there aren't 36 guys in the second round, so even if he had flawless prophetic abilities, he might still not come up with much.

I'm not saying that it can't happen, but I'm sure not going to get my hopes up.

Just as we've only had middling to bottom 1/3 first round drafts, most of our 2nd rounders under GP have been in the bottom half of the 2nd round. That and GP has traded our 2nd round picks quite of few times. Not much historical evidence then, as to how GP will do with the first pick of the 2nd round. And since we have #23 & #31, the possibility of trading them to move up is intriging.

 

[Rookie]

Damnit! I'm still pissed off about this. Neither the Clippers nor Memphis deserve a top 2 pick, it's so unfair! The Clippers have blown every talent they've ever gotten, Memphis already has a franchise player, as well as OKC; and Clippers already have a PF and Memphis already has a PG. It's not fair, we should've gotten at least the 2nd pick.

It's not fair!

Life is always that. Just move on and try to make a better future with what you got.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Damnit! I'm still pissed off about this. Neither the Clippers nor Memphis deserve a top 2 pick, it's so unfair! The Clippers have blown every talent they've ever gotten, Memphis already has a franchise player, as well as OKC; and Clippers already have a PF and Memphis already has a PG. It's not fair, we should've gotten at least the 2nd pick.

It's not fair!

 

[Vlade4GM]

Yeah, I still had a little bit more venting in me. Sorry if I disturbed anyone

 

[gunks]

That's true, but it's also true that in that time span there have been hundreds of second rounders who were more like Alain Digbeu, DeJuan Wheat or Ed Elisma. Geoff would need to develop an interest in really researching and trying in the second round, something he is not known for. And he would need a lot of luck. You mention 9 good players out of about 325, that gives Geoff a 2.77% chance, roughly 1 in 36. And there aren't 36 guys in the second round, so even if he had flawless prophetic abilities, he might still not come up with much.

I'm not saying that it can't happen, but I'm sure not going to get my hopes up.

We should steal away the Bucks' scouts. They always hit second round homers. Sessions, Redd, Luc Richard Mbah a Moute.

 

[rexb_kings]

when i heard kings got 4th i was really upset..then died down a little and was fine..

then i saw some work out vids of Blake Griffin and now i'm very upset again..uurrgghh..

also, with the magic in the finals, one announcer said the Magic had the worst record in nba at one time and got to the lottery and got D12 the next year, and now their in the finals. not saying if we got 1st and Griffin the Kings will be in the finals but you have a key piece in the middle that will eventually get you their...bummer.

i would have love to wear my kings jacket to work today but just decided to wear my regular black sweater...