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The Sixers will get the higher pick in the next 2 drafts e.g. if the Kings get the #3 slot and the Sixers get the #5 slot, they will switch.
Isn't there some protection on picks swap, top 10 protected? I thought there was.
The Sixers will get the higher pick in the next 2 drafts e.g. if the Kings get the #3 slot and the Sixers get the #5 slot, they will switch.
Isn't there some protection on picks swap, top 10 protected? I thought there was.
The draft pick that will be conveyed in 2018 is top 10 protected. I don't believe the pick swap is protected.
Everyone is busy applauding Sacramento for not barfing all over itself with its weekend signings, but three ho-hum deals for Rajon Rondo, Marco Belinelli, and Kosta Koufos do not justify theghastly trade that opened up the cap room for them.
None of it justifies dealing Nik Stauskas, a future first-round pick, and swap rights — lottery balls, basically — when two-thirds of this spending would have been possible using only the stretch provision. Omri Casspi is a bargain on a two-year, $6 million deal, but the Kings had the means to sign him at that amount before Philly robbed them blind.
Sacramento already had the cap room for one of these offers before gifting the Sixers a pile of draft assets.
Sacramento outbid precisely no one to overpay Rondo on a one-year deal
More completely confused reporting from a so-called "national writer"... these guys' incompetence is getting humorous.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nba-free-agency-winners-and-losers/
And...
Thing is... does Omri even take that deal without all the other pieces signing, proving that we're serious about winning, same with Rondo.
In any case, the sudden complete undervaluing of Belinelli and Koufos is mystifying, as well as the overvaluing of the "pile of draft assets"... really? I get we're the punching bag, but this is getting ridiculous. There is no mention of Koufos fantastic defense. Instead he's a "starting quality center" and "back-up should they trade DMC".
And... 9.5 mil is overpaying for a one year deal for Rondo? Seriously? Did it occur to the writer that there was a handshake deal in place long ago and that Rondo was not taking offers from other teams anyway? If it was an overpay, by how much, 1 mil? On a one year contract?
Yes and no. I think lowe's constant bashing of the kings is tiresome but he makes some valid points. I really like the signings (rondo is still a ?) but I too wonder if the Philly deal was an overpay. Based on some of the other cap clearing deals the last couple years, I would say probably.
Feels like there may have been a way to accomplish the same without giving up as much. But it's done so we'll have to hope for the best. If we win, they can all eat their words. If not, yikes.
weren't we rumored to have interest in Jeremy Evans? did he sign anywhere?
The Philly deal may have been an overpay... but look at the deal in total from only our perspective:
Consider the Rondo signing aside (although it's questionable he would have come without us making the trade)
We trade JT, Stauskas, Landry, and a first rounder in 2018 (the pick swaps will likely be irrelevant, does anyone think we're going to finish with a worse record than them in the next two years? They'll be openly tanking again next year.)
Koufos > JT, especially defensively
Belinelli >> Stauskas
AND they take Landry's crippling contract off our hands.
And all we have to give up (essentially) is a first rounder in 2018, when, with this roster, we will very likely be a playoff team. So somewhere in the 20 ish range.
So if you look closely, the deal ends up being a huge win for us, both in terms of talent, and in terms of fit.
I get there are questions about Rondo, it's not zero risk, but I'm going to assume Vlade has a feel for Rondo that we don't.
He uses a few questionable points to try to make it seem like this was some kind of blundering sideways move made by a historically inept franchise, not at all acknowledging Vlade as the brand new leader that had nothing to do with previous FO decisions, and that the move itself was done in a style that is a complete departure from 95% of moves made in the last ten years.
Ya it's also interesting that some writers seem to be acting like Stauskas was some guy w/ serious upside and value. Sure, he could put the pieces together and become a stud, but based on what we saw last season, that seemed VERY unlikely. He looked more likely to have a future in the D-League than in the NBA. It's just funny how people act like we were trading all of these awesome usable assets, when in reality, we've been trying to trade JT for a while now, Landry was barely even playing, and Stauskas looked like a scared puppy out there. The only asset i feel like we actually gave up was the first rounder. Those players meant little to us, and i assume they will also do little in Philly. We shall see though...
A long time ago I learned that other peoples opinion was not my business. Likewise the opinion of sports writers who primarily live in NY and LA is of no interest to me.
He's not. He resigned with BostonHow is Jae Crowder still on the market?
Ya it's also interesting that some writers seem to be acting like Stauskas was some guy w/ serious upside and value. Sure, he could put the pieces together and become a stud, but based on what we saw last season, that seemed VERY unlikely. He looked more likely to have a future in the D-League than in the NBA. It's just funny how people act like we were trading all of these awesome usable assets, when in reality, we've been trying to trade JT for a while now, Landry was barely even playing, and Stauskas looked like a scared puppy out there. The only asset i feel like we actually gave up was the first rounder. Those players meant little to us, and i assume they will also do little in Philly. We shall see though...
I'd never stand between a man and his passionSurely you can let me have my fun ripping them to shreds, no?
So who is still left as options for the Kings to round out their roster?
I think the Kings need three players - one more SF, one more big and then either another wing or another big depending on how much time Gay is really going to spend at the PF spot
The flashiest name is Josh Smith. He's still a horribly inefficient chucker on a team that lacks outside shooting but he's a good passer, a decent rebounder and can still be a good weakside defender who can thrive in transition. Does he want to join his buddies Rondo and Rudy? We'll see.
Available Bigs
- Josh Smith - I'm not sure he fits, but then I'm not sure Rondo fits. The most talent of anyone left on the market though.
- Jordan Hill - a bit redundant with Cauley-Stein and Moreland but obviously he has a lot more experience
- Mirza Teletovic - a solid stretch four but he's restricted and the Nets will likely match
- Kevin Seraphin - similar to Hill but younger with more potential and cheaper. Might be a good idea.
- Darrell Arthur - Athletic but inconsistent. Offense consists primarily of long 2's that he hits at an only decent clip something that may not fly with George Karl.
- Glen Davis - Championship Experience and familiarity with Rondo but definitely on the decline and inconsistent
- Tyler Hansbrough - Not very skilled but a good energy guy for 12-15 mpg
- Reggie Evans - Terrible offensive player and poor defender but a great rebounder who Boogie likes. Could do worse for the minimum
- Quincy Acy - Not all that effective in Sacramento but tons of fun to watch. Could be somewhat better in Karl's offense.
- Andrea Bargnani - Was vastly overpaid on his last deal but not a bad player on a cheap contract. Shooting and skill, not much defense or toughness
- Cole Aldrich - A guy I'd really like as a minimum contract third C
- Amare Stoudamire - A veteran presence who can still play a bit. I'm not sure he'd come and I'm not sure we'd want him to
- Luis Scola - Not sure why I didn't think of him before. Crafty defender and decent (if inefficient) scorer, good rebounder and not a bad passer
- Drew Gooden - Learned to shoot the three. Forgot how to score inside the arc. Wouldn't be awful as a stopgap for the vet minimum
- Carlos Boozer - Better than most people believe. Another stopgap vet but I don't know if he's suited for a George Karl team
- Ryan Hollins - Meh. Not terrible as an emergency C
- Chuck Hayes - NO MORE TWIN DUPLEXES
Charlie Villanueva - Signed a minimum deal with Dallas- Matt Bonner - Also doesn't do much else but shoot 3's. But he's done it on championship teams
- Ekpe Udoh - I really liked him coming out of college. But he's redundant with this roster. Might not even beat out Moreland for PT
- Jeff Withey - Another guy I like if Vlade/Karl want an emergency 3rd C for the minimum.
- Joel Anthony - A guy I liked before Cuz became a good defender and before Koufos, WCS and Moreland
Available Wings
- Dorell Wright - A guy I've wanted for a while. Really solid shooter that got lost in Portland
- K.J. McDaniels - Really like him as a bench defender but Rockets say they'll match all offers
- Luc Richard Mbah a Moute - James Ham put him on blast as not wanting to play but he looked good in a Kings uni to me. I think we need a wing defender
- James Jones - For the minimum I think he'd be a great signing. Career 40% 3Pt shooter. Championship experience.
- Gerald Green - Athletic but not really good at anything. Poor rebounder, low Bball IQ
- Jeff Taylor - Liked him as a 3&D wing coming out but offcourt stuff tells me to pass. Plus he's restricted
- Richard Jefferson - Not much left and almost certain to resign in Dallas. Still, would be a nice vet presence
- Chase Budinger - Decent shooter and energy guy but terrible defender. Meh
- Rasual Butler - Is he going to play another season? 20 mpg in WAS last year was too much but a decent emergency option
- Gigi Datome - One dimensional shooter who hasn't shown he can shoot consistently
- Landry Fields - Welcome to the land of meh. Not excited by Fields or anybody below him on this list
Wesley Johnson - Doesn't really do anything well but Cuz could razz him incessantly about the draft. Signed with the Clippers- Alonzo Gee - Meh. I think Wesley Johnson is a better option and that's saying something.
- Hedo Turkoglu - Would be a nostalgia signing only at this point.
Guys on our Summer League Team
- DeAndre Liggins - Could be a very good wing defender and not much else. Offcourt allegations trouble me.
- Sim Bhullar - I'm not sure he'll ever be an NBA quality big, but you can't teach height
- Corey Hawkins - Could be a poor man's Eddie House in time - will likely need seasoning.
- David Wear - Not bad in SL/training camp but if he didn't crack last year's roster why would he this year?
- Julyan Stone - Karl coached him before so there's that.
Ya it's also interesting that some writers seem to be acting like Stauskas was some guy w/ serious upside and value. Sure, he could put the pieces together and become a stud, but based on what we saw last season, that seemed VERY unlikely. He looked more likely to have a future in the D-League than in the NBA. It's just funny how people act like we were trading all of these awesome usable assets, when in reality, we've been trying to trade JT for a while now, Landry was barely even playing, and Stauskas looked like a scared puppy out there. The only asset i feel like we actually gave up was the first rounder. Those players meant little to us, and i assume they will also do little in Philly. We shall see though...
Hey I don't see Salmons in there.
Those same writers would have listed Stauskas as a bust and another example of Vivek's goofy incompetence only a few weeks ago. Nik is the true "flexible piece" of 'sports journalism", coming or going he can be used equally as evidence of Kings incompetence.
Until the Kings win the narrative won't change and writers will continue to pile on. It's the same reason why the Spurs always get the benefit of the doubt in those worthless "draft grades" a day after the draft. Because they are the Spurs and they've done so many things right that writers (most of whom don't really know the prospects as well as they claim to) hedge their bets since the Spurs have done well in the draft more often than not. If the Kings were to take the same player in the same draft slot the pick would generally be viewed with more criticism. Because the Kings (at least the last decade or so) have made a mess of things more often than not.
In part it's just playing the odds. And in part it's lazy journalism. How many writers and fans still think Cousins is a subpar defender? Way too many. How many still think Sam Presti is a good GM despite only really being successful with the draft and having a poor track record with trades and signings? Too many.
Same thing with Hinkie. Everyone is marveling at how he's stockpiled picks and caproom but two years in and Embiid has yet to see the floor, their ROY was traded with nothing really to show for it and with the Lakers taking Russell I'm guessing they hope Okafor is good enough at scoring in the post to flip for other assets next offseason. They have Noel and what else? Stauskas will likely start for them. And while they'll likely have four draft picks next year (theirs, the Lakers (top 3 protected), the Heat's (top 10 protected) and the Thunder's.
Guess what - the Kings had four first rounders once too. Lionel Simmons, Travis Mays, Anthony Bonner, and Duane Causewell.
Maybe the Sixers will do better. But despite two tanktacular seasons they haven't drafted higher than #3. And while they have a bunch of 2nd rounders owed, the 1st from the Kings is the only other 1st rounder they've accumulated. Hinkie's entire plan revolves around drafting one or more star players. If that doesn't happen next year, then what?
I was a big proponent of Sam Hinkie as a GM and have at times (especially the post Malone firing times) thought we'd be better off being where the Sixers are. But I think the Kings have a shot at the playoffs. The sixers are still gambling on drafting players good enough to take them to the playoffs in four years.
Time for the Kings to win some games and have people change their narrative regarding our team.