Kings and Golden State talking about a pick swap? (Amick)

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

https://twitter.com/#!/whiteygleason

Thanks to @sam_amick for joining us and sharing that the Warriors and Kings are discussing a swapping of picks.

It's not hard to look at GSW's roster to notice they really don't have a lot of assets that match up with what the price would be to move up two spots.

My best guess? Dorell Wright and #7 for John Salmons and #5? If Barnes and Drummond are available at both spots I suppose I'd take that. I'd rather have Drummond over Barnes anyway, and Wright is a better player on a better contract. GSW is targetting Barnes, so it makes sense that they would send Wright back. He'd be a decent fit.

Like all other deals, largely depends on who falls to #5.

 

[Spike]

That would be pretty aggressive on the Kings' behalf. IDK that either of the two are available, but, if true, it's good to see that they're not going after leftovers in order to move down. At the least, it sets the bar for what other teams may offer.

 

[Larry David]

Based upon the tea leaves, I think GSW is after Barnes. I think the Kings are looking at taking John Henson.

At one point, they were probably looking at the Houston trade hoping that Henson might fall back to 14 and they could also take a flyer on Harkless, Leonard, Jones, or Jones III. But if Drummond goes to Portland, Henson isn't getting past the Pistons at 9.

I don't know. This team needs a SF and somebody that can shoot the ball. Worst case, Barnes is a sharp shooting Marvin Williams. He could be Dale Ellis. He has flaws, but it's a five man draft and the Kings seem like they are itching to move out of that spot and take risk in the deeper waters.

There have been a lot of years where the Kings have been just on the other side of the drop. They are in a good spot. Take the best player on the board. Worst case, trade Barnes when his value is higher next year.

 

[Mass]

I like Thompson, but do we really need him? Another scoring guard? I'd rather keep my pick and get MKG.

 

[pshn80]

Petrie says in the Bee today that he has talked with interest to 6 or 7 teams about trading the pick. We heard rumors about a couple of them but who knows who the rest are. And, most ofter I'm sure, it all depends on drops to us at 5. So it's really apt to be tomorrow night at 7:30 or 8 that Petrie learns who he trading with or not.

 

[Kingster]

https://twitter.com/#!/whiteygleason


It's not hard to look at GSW's roster to notice they really don't have a lot of assets that match up with what the price would be to move up two spots.

My best guess? Dorell Wright and #7 for John Salmons and #5? If Barnes and Drummond are available at both spots I suppose I'd take that. I'd rather have Drummond over Barnes anyway, and Wright is a better player on a better contract. GSW is targetting Barnes, so it makes sense that they would send Wright back. He'd be a decent fit.

Like all other deals, largely depends on who falls to #5.

Just another conversation to gin up interest in trading the #5. So if the Houston deal has any substance at all then they might believe that Kings are dealing with GS, which could make them nervous and up the ante.

 

[Kingster]

I like Thompson, but do we really need him? Another scoring guard? I'd rather keep my pick and get MKG.

Thompson is a big outside shooting guard who is just beginning his career. We don't have any of those. I'd love to have him.

 

[est.1999]

^^^ this

 

[Kingster]

Based upon the tea leaves, I think GSW is after Barnes. I think the Kings are looking at taking John Henson.

At one point, they were probably looking at the Houston trade hoping that Henson might fall back to 14 and they could also take a flyer on Harkless, Leonard, Jones, or Jones III. But if Drummond goes to Portland, Henson isn't getting past the Pistons at 9.

I don't know. This team needs a SF and somebody that can shoot the ball. Worst case, Barnes is a sharp shooting Marvin Williams. He could be Dale Ellis. He has flaws, but it's a five man draft and the Kings seem like they are itching to move out of that spot and take risk in the deeper waters.

There have been a lot of years where the Kings have been just on the other side of the drop. They are in a good spot. Take the best player on the board. Worst case, trade Barnes when his value is higher next year.

Worst case is Barnes could be a bigger version of Jimmer. Not all that quick, needs work on his ballhandling, has issues getting his own shot. I could see GS being interested in MKG. They already have a ton of outside shooting, so the defensive ability and slashing ability of MKG would be a nice complement to that team. If they feel like rolling the dice, they could also look at Drummond.

 

[LWP777]

There is ZERO chance the Warriors would part with Thompson or Curry just to move up 2 spots. That would be complete lunacy if they did.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Worst case is Barnes could be a bigger version of Jimmer. Not all that quick, needs work on his ballhandling, has issues getting his own shot. I could see GS being interested in MKG. They already have a ton of outside shooting, so the defensive ability and slashing ability of MKG would be a nice complement to that team. If they feel like rolling the dice, they could also look at Drummond.

Drummond is still a scary pick for me...Duane Causewell scary. If I knew for a fact MKG would fall in my lap at #5, no way I trade the pick!

 

[D13]

Interesting that so many teams would like to move up to get Barnes or MKG.... Question; Doesn't that tell you something? We will have a high potential, position of need player to choose from, and we're thinking of trading it??? Sheesh..

Please just keep the pick Petrie!!!

 

[Kingster]

There is ZERO chance the Warriors would part with Thompson or Curry just to move up 2 spots. That would be complete lunacy if they did.

Totally agree.

 

[Kingster]

Drummond is still a scary pick for me...Duane Causewell scary. If I knew for a fact MKG would fall in my lap at #5, no way I trade the pick!

If MKG is available and if the Kings make a trade at that point then the veteran that they get better be awefully good.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Interesting that so many teams would like to move up to get Barnes or MKG.... Question; Doesn't that tell you something? We will have a high potential, position of need player to choose from, and we're thinking of trading it??? Sheesh..

Please just keep the pick Petrie!!!

Barnes is kinda scary IMO, MKG in my mind is the only SURE thing...Scottie Pippen-esque, but way more of a leader.

 

[theclash4u5]

Sources said the Kings aren't as content as I'd previously thought about the idea of grabbing whichever player falls between Kidd-Gilchrist and Barnes (assuming Beal is gone and Robinson, with whom they'd likely be thrilled, is off the board as well). As discussed back in Mock 2.0, I'm now hearing once again that they may go big in an attempt to find a complement for young center DeMarcus Cousins. I still put Barnes here because he's the value pick who could be dealt to another team as part of a trade in which the Kings move back to select a big man. Sources said one of the possibilities is to swap picks with Golden State (No. 7) and pick up another asset. And it's well-chronicled that the Kings can move back in exchange for Houston's 14th and 16th picks.

As for which big man they'd opt for? That's not clear yet, though I'm told it wouldn't be Connecticut center Andre Drummond. Some of the candidates include North Carolina power forward John Henson, Kentucky power forward Terrence Jones, and, depending on how far back they went, Mississippi State power forward Arnett Moultrie. St. John's small forward Moe Harkless, who is expected to go in the mid-to-late first round, had a surprise workout in Sacramento on Monday.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20.../nba-mock-draft-2012/index.html#ixzz1z0tydsZb

No Drummond?

 

[Bricklayer]

Saw yesterday on twitter that the Kings have said including Klay Thompson or Stephen Curry plus the 7 would be enough to move the Warriors to 5 and the Warriors want MKG.

Heh, WHAT?

We get ridiculous offers around here all the time undervaluing our own assets. Now we get a ridiculous one from teh Warriors perspective undervaluing their assets. Thompsosn or Curry to move up 2 slots? That's ridiculous.

As for us moving back 2 slots and taking an asset...1) we just tried that last summer, how'd that work out?; 2) that becomes possible if this has turned into a 7 player draft for us (Davis, Barnes, TRob, MKG, Beal, Drummond, Lillard) ratehr than a 5 man draft (Davis, Barnes, TRob, MKG, Beal).

 

[DesertFox]

If the move is 5 + Salmons or Outlaw for 7 + Wright, I'd take it every time unless you know for a fact MKG will be there.
Henson+Wright>>>Salmons+Drummond/Barnes.
Wright is a poor man's Batum, and I'll take that.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Let's say we make this move (5 + Salmons/Outlaw for 7 + asset), if MKG is on the board at 5, there's still a good chance he'll be there at 7, IF the Warriors are truly targeting Barnes. Now maybe they'd prefer MKG, but if it's Barnes they want, he'll still be there, because Portland are likely taking Lillard or Drummond. Interesting thought.

 

[rhythmless]

If MKG is available and if the Kings make a trade at that point then the veteran that they get better be awefully good.

Yea, like John salmons good.

 

[Dime Dropper]

It was tweeted by Marcus Thompson--the Warriors beat writer for the San Jose Mercury News and retweeted by James Ham.

Marcus Thompson‏@gswscribe
Including either Klay or Curry with No. 7 gets the Warriors into the top 5, I'm told. Is MKG worth that?

Ah, so it's MKG that they'd be targeting. Make more sense, although I wouldn't do the deal in that case. I'd prefer MKG over 7 and whatever they'd offer (ie. not Curry or Thompson). But from what Amick is reporting, the Kings probably aren't just going to take whoever falls from Barnes and MKG. Doesn't surprise me since we haven't worked either out. I think it would be a big mistake to pass on MKG, but I'm preparing myself for the possibility.

 

[beb0p]

The Warriors are absolutely, definitely, sleeplessly, crushingly in love with MKG. That's because he is a perfect fit next to their backcourt.

Now, if they remove Klay or Curry from the equation, MKG becomes less of a good fit. So why would they trade either Klay/Curry? This deal is dead if that's what the Kings are insisting. (I know for sure the Warriors do not want to trade either of their starting backcourt).

 

[Kingster]

Yea, like John salmons good.

You know, when I wrote that post I was going to say something like: "...for example, two steps above John Salmons." But I didn't want to go there....

 

[Dime Dropper]

Yeah, it's madness if they give up either of those two. I just can't see it happening. I will be very p****d off if we pass on MKG or trade the pick if he's there.

 

[gatoradeSD]

FORD: And don't get me started on the Kings. They have five guys on their roster that care nothing for defense or chemistry and want to jack up 20 shots a night. They finally get a chance at a guy who can make a huge impact on the floor without the ball in his hands and their response is to trade the pick.

....sadly I agree

 

[Gilles]

The Warriors are absolutely, definitely, sleeplessly, crushingly in love with MKG. That's because he is a perfect fit next to their backcourt.

Now, if they remove Klay or Curry from the equation, MKG becomes less of a good fit. So why would they trade either Klay/Curry? This deal is dead if that's what the Kings are insisting. (I know for sure the Warriors do not want to trade either of their starting backcourt).

That tweet make it sound like Warriors called about #5 and got short answer "#7 and Curry or Klay". It gets the job done, and now Warriors are thinking if it's worth it.
P.S. ND.net changed their top-5, moving Beal to #2, MKG - to #3 and Robinson to #4, so for now they believe Cavs trade up for Beal, Wiz react by taking MKG and Cats still get their guy in Robinson.

 

[upinsmoke]

I don't trust GP to get this right. Stay AWAY from GS GP.

 

[sterö]

Let's say we make this move (5 + Salmons/Outlaw for 7 + asset), if MKG is on the board at 5, there's still a good chance he'll be there at 7, IF the Warriors are truly targeting Barnes. Now maybe they'd prefer MKG, but if it's Barnes they want, he'll still be there, because Portland are likely taking Lillard or Drummond. Interesting thought.

Barnes won't be there, if MKG is there at #5

 

[upinsmoke]

GP needs to have PHI & ATL on the speed dial

#5 + Garcia for IGGY

#5 + Garcia for Al Horford

 

[Dime Dropper]

Barnes won't be there, if MKG is there at #5

Bah! You're right. Must think things through more before posting!