roasthawg
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Awesome!! A bunch of trades leading to an instant contender that even the Celtics would envy.
Kings #5 Pick for Pau Gasol?
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Mass
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I'm sure we won't be contender if we get Pau. 0%. But the point is not becoming a contender. The point is much easier. Right now, let's face reality, this franchise is a joke. Awful owners, bad FO, no money, small market and so on. No free agent wants to come here (well, Chuck did...). Now, not even the young prospect seems to be willing to come to Sacramento for a workout. That's the reality tight now. So, we need to start getting some credibility. Adding Pau maybe is not the perfect move, but you are talking about an all star player, an NBA, World and European champion. He has great skills, and that's why he still has 4-5 good years n the league. We won't ever be able to get a player like him through free agency, and unfortunately we are not in the position to wait for another 19-year-old guy to develop.
With Pau and a decent SF, I'm sure we can fight for a playoff spot. Let Tyreke and Cousins get some post season experience. Once we are a serious team again, I'm sure we will be able to attract some more free agents, and all the franchise will benefit from it.
The point is: it's not about contending, it's about to get back in the playoffs at least, then we will be able to make some moves to take the nest steps, those steps that right now, being a perennial lottery team, we can't take.
With Pau and a decent SF, I'm sure we can fight for a playoff spot. Let Tyreke and Cousins get some post season experience. Once we are a serious team again, I'm sure we will be able to attract some more free agents, and all the franchise will benefit from it.
The point is: it's not about contending, it's about to get back in the playoffs at least, then we will be able to make some moves to take the nest steps, those steps that right now, being a perennial lottery team, we can't take.
Peter_Gibbons
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From the other thread....
"From Insider: Chad Ford
The Kings aren't in love with anyone here if this scenario plays out this way. Sources say that the Kings are still confident they'll make a deal with the Rockets (who covet Drummond). If they don't, sources say GM Geoff Petrie is now leaning toward taking Drummond over Barnes. He feels it's a more tradable chip down the road and the team needs a shot-blocker (the one thing Drummond does well now) next to DeMarcus Cousins.
Trade Scenarios: By now the whole world knows the Rockets are aggressively trying to move up and get this pick. Houston's latest offer (Kyle Lowry and the No. 16 pick) was rejected. But you can expect the Rockets to keep plugging away until they get something done. The Rockets aren't the only team trying to get here. The Lakers and Hawks have also tried to convince Sacramento to part with its pick."
So this does really have a slim chance of happening. If the lakers will take #5 + Salmons' contract, we do it.
"From Insider: Chad Ford
The Kings aren't in love with anyone here if this scenario plays out this way. Sources say that the Kings are still confident they'll make a deal with the Rockets (who covet Drummond). If they don't, sources say GM Geoff Petrie is now leaning toward taking Drummond over Barnes. He feels it's a more tradable chip down the road and the team needs a shot-blocker (the one thing Drummond does well now) next to DeMarcus Cousins.
Trade Scenarios: By now the whole world knows the Rockets are aggressively trying to move up and get this pick. Houston's latest offer (Kyle Lowry and the No. 16 pick) was rejected. But you can expect the Rockets to keep plugging away until they get something done. The Rockets aren't the only team trying to get here. The Lakers and Hawks have also tried to convince Sacramento to part with its pick."
So this does really have a slim chance of happening. If the lakers will take #5 + Salmons' contract, we do it.
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
Ummmm...when was the last time we did business with THAT team? Or ANY team within our division? Rule of thumb: You don't deal with division rivals(especially THAT team)that could potentially make them better, unless we're getting the obvious same value in return, which I don't see ANY other division foe offering in return.
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LWP777
Guest
This isn't baseball. 8 teams make the playoffs. You don't have to win the division. We are a horrible team and have been for 6-7 years. We haven't had a true rivalry with the Lakers for 10 years. It's not like we finished 2nd behind the Lakers last year. We are trying to become a winning team and get into the playoffs. This likely needs to happen this year or the Magoofs may be finished with Sacramento. If you get Gasol and sign a good SF, you will be a winning team if you stay healthy. It's a no brainer IMO.
Peter_Gibbons
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Yeah, the don't deal with the lakers just because they are the lakers mentality is silly. Its business, especially when it comes to improving your team so you are no longer in the crapper again. Unless the lakers get really lucky, I don't know if the #5 pick will really yield them a future all star.
Vlade was a laker too, as mentioned already.
They aren't going to sign any good SF's. No players want to come here as free agents and our owners don't want to spend money either way. Hell, kids out of college that are looking to become millionaires don't even want to come here.
If we trade for Gasol we lose our pick, become the 10th seed, draft near mid pack and find ourselves stocked with crappy players for the next 4 years. We aren't one Gasol away from being a playoff team. We need to build a young core and it starts with drafting someone who can be a solid rock like MKG.
steelevt
All-Star
sooner or later we will have to stop depending on draft picks and get a vet. we already have a couple good/great players through the draft. now we need to add veterans to the team. the mentality of only building through draft picks is flawed. we thought this years ago and we got a great pick in evans. where did we go? ok maybe he needed another top 5 pick. so we got cousins, where did we go? there's a reason some teams are always in the lottery despite high draft picks. these draft picks dont always help the team right away, and by the time they contribute, its almost time for then to get their big contract and they can leave and you are back to square one. at some point in time you need a good vet added to the team. yes you are not a contender right away, but maybe you make the 7/8 seed at first and build from that. not a lot of free agents want to come here, we all know that. but it would be easier to entice a free agent to come to a playoff team as opposed to a continuously rebuilding team filled with 20 year olds.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I'm not an adovcate of getting Gasol because of long term implications and roster balance, but you know, we MIGHT be just 1 Gasol from being a playopff team. People are rather more down on this team than they need to be. Cousins is about to break out as a stud. With a tall saavy, championship experienced highly skilled running mate up front, it would be a dominant pairing for a few years. It wouldn't take too many stabilizing moves to have us right there in the running for the 8th seed.
I understand what you guys are saying but Pau Gasol is not the right vet. Rudy Gay would be the right vet for this team but Pau is a short term possible solution to a long term problem we have.
If this was 4 years ago, I'd be more than happy to grab Gasol. But as of right now he's getting up there in age and is going to start declining at any point now. Add to the fact that he's going to go from the Lakers to the Kings, now you've got a guy who isn't going to be nearly as motivated as he used to be.
If we were going to pull the trade, I'd much rather take a shot at Lowry. I want to get in the playoffs as much as you guys do but Gasol just isn't going to cut it and he'll set the franchise back a few years. Lets get the solid draft picks and then trade our pieces and try and upgrade.
I just don't think were as close to the playoffs as you guys think. We still have major concerns at PG (defense wise) and SF (everything wise). Grabbing Gasol means we upgrade from a B- player in JT to an A- player in Pau. Meanwhile we still have a rotation of F players at SF that's going to hold us back and we have huge defensive problems at PG that's going to keep us from winning consistantly.
If this was 4 years ago, I'd be more than happy to grab Gasol. But as of right now he's getting up there in age and is going to start declining at any point now. Add to the fact that he's going to go from the Lakers to the Kings, now you've got a guy who isn't going to be nearly as motivated as he used to be.
If we were going to pull the trade, I'd much rather take a shot at Lowry. I want to get in the playoffs as much as you guys do but Gasol just isn't going to cut it and he'll set the franchise back a few years. Lets get the solid draft picks and then trade our pieces and try and upgrade.
I just don't think were as close to the playoffs as you guys think. We still have major concerns at PG (defense wise) and SF (everything wise). Grabbing Gasol means we upgrade from a B- player in JT to an A- player in Pau. Meanwhile we still have a rotation of F players at SF that's going to hold us back and we have huge defensive problems at PG that's going to keep us from winning consistantly.
Peter_Gibbons
Starter
Exactly.
We cannot continuously hope the next 19 year old kid will be the one. I think a lot of people who are against it because they under value Gasol. This guy is probably the most skilled big man in the league right now. That includes Duncan and KG. Duncan doesn't have Gasol's shooting and FTs while KG doesn't have Gasol's post moves.
How do other teams defend and inside out attack with Pau + DMC and Tyreke + IT or MT slashing? Both bigs can hit the 17 foot jumper in this scenario. Both of them rebound and both are good and willing passers. If Jimmer just hit open shots and we add a couple shooters, we are in the playoffs. Maybe even the 5th to 6th spot if Smart coaches well.
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
I actually could care LESS about it being the Lakers, was just pointing out the fact that its VERY rare teams in the same division do business together...how many players have exchanged teams within our Pacific Division recently...very few. PHX, LAL, LAC, Sac and GS haven't made any meaningful trades between each other in a LONG time.
Peter_Gibbons
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I know, I was more referring to the other posts earlier with so many people against Pau because he plays for the lakers. To each his own, but for me, if you can get an all star 7 footer who still has 3-4 good years at least, you do it.
I'm not oppose to us keeping the pick and get a player like Robinson if he falls to us. But IF we HAD TO trade the pick, I much rather it be for an all star big man instead of the BS Lowry + 16th pick like we are offered. Those trades does nothing.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
The Kings got Mitch Richmond from GS. It can be done, and sometimes very profitably.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
That was also twenty years ago and a Don Nelson team.
IfAt1st
Starter
I will never cease to be amazed at the cluelessness of many Kingsfans.
No matter how many years it is proven and waved in their face, they will still fall for the carrot-on-the-stick of draft picks and unproven rookies over talented, experienced vets.
If the Kings were lucky enough to be able to acquire Pao for #5+nothingimportant they should IMMEDIATELY do it and get ready to be in the playoffs. This is a no-brainer, the exact same way it was a no-brainer last year and how they should have picked up Tony Parker (if they could have). And people here actually called Tony Parker too old and not enough quality years left, if you remember.
Repeating a newsflash from others:
This team does NOT have much time left to form a solid team.
Time has run out on the Kings after last year's debacle of a summer.
If they do not trade for a quality vet (actually vets) , they will fail.
They can not expect rookies to pull their franchise out of the gutter.
The amazing thing is - even on this Kings team, some fans still are distracted by the shiny possible future of a draft pick.
Haven't we, as Kings fans, become immune to that shiny bauble?
Let other teams overvalue untested promise and under-rate clutch, veteran skill.
Pao was demonized in LA, by a blase petulant spoiled fanbase that only expects championships. When their precious plans go awry, they collectively need someone to take the blame, and they are joined at the hip to Kobe so that's not going to happen.
Pao has plenty of game left, and is exactly the kind of savvy vet player the Kings need.
Other teams need this #5 draft pick - the Kings don't. They need an untested rookie like they need another hole in the head.
This is EXACTLY like what happened last year with the Tony Parker rumor/trade - the fanbase was too ***** to jump at opportunity and made up irrational excuses to justify their obsession with the promise of a draft pick. And last year was #7, and they STILL didn't want to trade it for battle-tested and proven vets.
When will Kingsfans get it?
No matter how many years it is proven and waved in their face, they will still fall for the carrot-on-the-stick of draft picks and unproven rookies over talented, experienced vets.
If the Kings were lucky enough to be able to acquire Pao for #5+nothingimportant they should IMMEDIATELY do it and get ready to be in the playoffs. This is a no-brainer, the exact same way it was a no-brainer last year and how they should have picked up Tony Parker (if they could have). And people here actually called Tony Parker too old and not enough quality years left, if you remember.
Repeating a newsflash from others:
This team does NOT have much time left to form a solid team.
Time has run out on the Kings after last year's debacle of a summer.
If they do not trade for a quality vet (actually vets) , they will fail.
They can not expect rookies to pull their franchise out of the gutter.
The amazing thing is - even on this Kings team, some fans still are distracted by the shiny possible future of a draft pick.
Haven't we, as Kings fans, become immune to that shiny bauble?
Let other teams overvalue untested promise and under-rate clutch, veteran skill.
Pao was demonized in LA, by a blase petulant spoiled fanbase that only expects championships. When their precious plans go awry, they collectively need someone to take the blame, and they are joined at the hip to Kobe so that's not going to happen.
Pao has plenty of game left, and is exactly the kind of savvy vet player the Kings need.
Other teams need this #5 draft pick - the Kings don't. They need an untested rookie like they need another hole in the head.
This is EXACTLY like what happened last year with the Tony Parker rumor/trade - the fanbase was too ***** to jump at opportunity and made up irrational excuses to justify their obsession with the promise of a draft pick. And last year was #7, and they STILL didn't want to trade it for battle-tested and proven vets.
When will Kingsfans get it?
Pau Gasol is heading for the wrong side of 30. He's got maybe 2 years left at a high level, then it's going to be a steep decline.
If we trade for him, yah, we might sneak in as a 7th or 8th seed only to be swept.
Remember, this is the same guy who went 0-12 in his playoff career as a #1 option prior to joining the Lakers.
If we trade for him, yah, we might sneak in as a 7th or 8th seed only to be swept.
Remember, this is the same guy who went 0-12 in his playoff career as a #1 option prior to joining the Lakers.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Gasol will be 32 years old in few days, but he' played in 796 games in his NBA career, and thats not counting the games he played in europe. Using the 1000 game rule, he's probably only good for a couple of more years at his current level, and there's no guarantee of that. If you believe he's good for two more years, then the good news is that his current contract is only for two more years, but at an unsavory 19 mil a year. Do I think he could be the difference in making the playoffs next season? Yep! He would be that veteran experience we need. But its a high price to pay.
Mass
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Sorry, I disagree. First of all, I'm pretty sure Pau has at least 4 very good years left. He is a guy with a lot of skills, who relies on them and not on his body. This will make his career longer. Just remember Vlade.
Then, you are right, in Memphis he was the 1st option and they went 0-12 in the post season. But, he was younger and didn't have any experience, and, most important, he won't be the 1st option on this team. Cuz would remain the go to guy, and Pau and Evans would be the 2nd and 3rd, depending on the game.
If it was for me, if Pau was there for the 5th and a bad contract, I'd do it.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
Agent23
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Even though I agree with, Lol at you for thinking we as fans have any control over the personnel decisions this team makes. I remember you going ballistic about Beno being traded and blaming everyone here for that. Good times.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
So instead of drafting possible Kobe's or Parkers, we should trade for a quick fix like Derek Smith, or Ralph Sampson.. Yeah, both are extremes, but you can make a mistake either way. The problem is, that when you make the mistake with a veteran player, its ususally a bigger mistake. Its just not as clear cut as you try to make it. Don't get me wrong, I love Gasol. But not at that price.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
Btw, I'm not opposed to trading for a veteran with a sizeable contract. I just want one who I feel can grow w/ our core.
I.E Rudy Gay, Josh Smith, etc.
roasthawg
Starter
What about Boston trading for Garnett? Similar players, similar ages, similar price tag.
steelevt
All-Star
i would risk it especially if we add on salmons or hayes to soften the blow. both have contributed very little so it would basically be gasol for 12-14 mil when you take any of those two off the salary
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
I remember Vlade's body completely breaking down his last year with us (hell, I'd go as far to say that he was starting to break down the year before that). No matter how skilled you are, if you aren't able to move up and down the court, you aren't going to be too much of an asset. Vlade was also, among other things, a once in a generation leader. To expect Pau to give us what Vlade did is simply unrealistic.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
The Boston situation isn't comparable. They had a near HOF in waiting, and for all intents and purposes they traded fro two others simultaneously.
Gaosl actually has become considerably overrated, to the point Lakers fans took to trying to claim HE was HOf. He's not. But just for argument's sake, find me two other available HOF/near HOF players, and sure, we can trash our entire team to acquire the whole group and go try to make some noise. I wouldn't. But we could. At least then its the same situation.
roasthawg
Starter
We might not have Pierce/Allen but we do have Tyreke/Cousins. Gotta run with what you have sometimes... Gasol might turn a 20 something win team into a 40 something win team with some upside to get better if Tyreke or Cousins or both can make a leap.
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