Kevin Love?

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Just a thought, would anyone like to see Kevin Love in a Kings uniform? Only reason why I bring this up is because I'm from the L.A. area and Kevin Love is pretty good player, can shoot the outside shot, bring in the boards, the occasional block.
 
Just a thought, would anyone like to see Kevin Love in a Kings uniform? Only reason why I bring this up is because I'm from the L.A. area and Kevin Love is pretty good player, can shoot the outside shot, bring in the boards, the occasional block.

There's a lot of discussion going on about potential players in the Personnel Moves forum. We try and keep talk about draft picks, etc. separate from our actual current Kings discussions as they can go on and on forever and are totally hypothetical.

:)

I'm going to move this question to that forum...
 
Opinions on Kevin Love are fairly mixed here. Some people (like myself) think that he will be a good NBA player. Others are concerned about his height and lack of athleticism and believe that his skills will not transfer well to the next level.

In either case, it is likely (though not certain) that Love will not be available by the time the Kings pick in what is expected to be the #12 slot.

If you care to read through it all, the very long "Kings Select in the 2008 NBA DRAFT??" thread contains months of discussion on Love and other draft prospects.
 
His height shouldn't really be an issue because he's listed at 6'9 w/o shoes supposedly from a 6'8.25 at the start of the year. Well I guess his lack of "hops" might make him seem shorter.

Bottom line is I would love the Kid to play for the Kings, but I don't think he will be available because you have Indiana picking before us and I believe they will draft him based on pure need (if he is still available when they pick). So Look for Love to go anywhere from about 9-11.
 
He probably won't be available. He may have an attitude problem and be the kind of guy that only wants to play in a glamour city, as he is from outside Portland and referred to the University of Oregon in a very negative light and then went for a division rival. Rubbed quite a few people the wrong way in the state, so it could just be bitterness on their parts. But its generally bad form to publically diss your home state. I worry about a guy like that coming to a smaller NBA city.
 
Yeah, but....it's Oregon.










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I didn't know that, but I think he'll be happy in the NBA regardless of where he goes.
 
I love Sacramento, but it's a bit of the blind love for one's hometown. But if Love thinks the Portland area is bad, he sure as heck wouldn't like Sacramento. Probably hate it in fact.
 
Love does not have any attitude problems. He's a hard worker and I hear he's a very nice kid.

Now that that's out of the way, I don't want Love. I like him alot, but not for us. He has great fundamentals and is an excellent passer. His outlet passes are something to marvel at. He has range and a nice jumper. But he's not athletic and can't defend. Very poor lateral agility for sliding.
I can't see how some of his skills translate. Right now he just bullys people. In the NBA he won't have a chance at doing that, not where everyone is bigger and as strong as him. His rebounds come off putbacks alot of the time, and again, with his bad jumping ability and lack of height (Gary, despite what "they" say, I really don't think he's 6'9'' in shoes, let alone without them) I think he maxes out at around 8rpg (not bad). He'll always have his jumper, his skills and passing abilities but he does not have star potential. He doesn't have "it".
Love would be a great fit on a team like Portland (imagine having a big 3 rotation of Aldridge, Oden and Love :eek:), Chicago (low post) or Indiana. We're building for the future and I don't see how he fits in next to Hawes. We need to be able to defend and have a shotblocker in there. People have cried the last few years over our extreme need for a shotblocker (and rightly so) but now some want Love. I don't see how it fits.

For Love lovers (:D), I really think Love fits the perfect mould of what Geoff likes. If he's there at 12 (and I think he probably will be) then I can't see Geoff passing on him. Undoubtedly it won't be my favourite pick, but I do like Love so I'll look forward to seeing him progress.
 
It was the Stanford game they were talking about how he has grown.. Think it was the Pac-10 tourney... There was a mention of it online on CBS Sportsline after one of the Pac-10 tourney games too.. Not sure how accurate it was but I tend to think he's taller than people think. Has to do with the whole optical illusion (him being so wide). Like when someone wears horizontal stripes it makes them look fat ect ect. Watching the TX A&M game he was next to Jordan and they were pretty close, and the Cal game he was as tall as Anderson.

As for Love having star power? I think he could put up 20/10/4/1 and still not be considered a NBA superstar. Not unless his passing ability vaults him. Reason is because of his blue collar approach. Nothing is really that pretty except for his passing. If he is going to be considered a star it will be for his passes (coming from a big man like Vlade).

Think of it this way.. You put Chris Kaman's stats on Greg Oden and Oden would be an all-star/superstar. Oden would look a lot prettier grabbing 13 boards, and 16pts with 3 blocks and a couple assists per game. A lot of it has to do with hype..

You say a lot of things that aren't true.. At least not yet. the kid is 18-19 years old, and hasn't even played a game. You are making a lot of assumptions based on how he has looked in college. I will give you this much, he isn't the prettiest player or the most athletic but he won pac-10 POY, and ROY which counts for something. I would say his chances in the NBA are a lot greater than those guys with that "raw/potential" tag. Five guys like Love succeed for every one with that potential/raw tag. It's just a proven fact. I will wait to hold judgment until he plays in the NBA rathe than labeling him as having no chance at doing anything other than grabbing a couple rebounds.
 
I think we should wait until the pre-draft camp and see just how tall everyone is. That way we'll have the facts and we can argue over something else. I personaly don't think that its that much of an issue. There was a lot of talk that Elton Brand was too short to play the PF position, but He's seems to have done OK. Same could be said of Boozer. Hell, Barkley was probably only 6'4". Dantley was short for the position.
I'm not saying that Love will be as good as any of them, I'm only saying that you can't always judge how good a player will be just because of his height.
 
I love this kid's game. It would shock me if he was still around at #10. He can shoot, rebound, pass and has great post moves. I have seen him make bigger and more athletic guys look foolish. He is only 18.

Of the stars aligned themselves just right and we landed Love and would be ecstatic.
 
Love would be frustrating to watch as a king. No way Reggie or Petrie like this guy even if he fell to the 12th pick. He showed today that he is not as powerful
as many think. Had serious problems establishing good position in the paint, or
even just getting a touch in the paint. No Hops, no burst, no speed. He's been so dominate because its college and he's the big guy on the court. Thats not gonna be the case in the pros. He's ultra talented but without the speed, hops, and burst he's not gonna do anything in the pros.
 
Love would be frustrating to watch as a king. No way Reggie or Petrie like this guy even if he fell to the 12th pick. He showed today that he is not as powerful
as many think. Had serious problems establishing good position in the paint, or
even just getting a touch in the paint. No Hops, no burst, no speed. He's been so dominate because its college and he's the big guy on the court. Thats not gonna be the case in the pros. He's ultra talented but without the speed, hops, and burst he's not gonna do anything in the pros.

Gotta disagree with you a little bit. He established himself in the paint many times in the game. His teammates simply didn't get him the ball. It wasn't Love that was having a problem it was Collison and Westbrook that were having problems doing much of anything. As a matter of fact, the only time I thought Love was effective was, when he was in the paint. Unfortunately those times were few. If you want to talk about someone that did nothing to impress me it was Dorsey. For such a big body you'd think the guy would just be a beast.
 
Love would be frustrating to watch as a king. No way Reggie or Petrie like this guy even if he fell to the 12th pick. He showed today that he is not as powerful
as many think. Had serious problems establishing good position in the paint, or
even just getting a touch in the paint. No Hops, no burst, no speed. He's been so dominate because its college and he's the big guy on the court. Thats not gonna be the case in the pros. He's ultra talented but without the speed, hops, and burst he's not gonna do anything in the pros.

Whoa... You just watched today.. As the resident "Love expert" here I can find a number of things wrong with what you said..

1. First off, he is Petrie's type of player.. Reason is because he doesn't play D very well and he can pass the ball better than any big man in the draft.

2. He is powerful. He has tremendous upper body strength. There was a note about him in the newspaper that said he could train to be a "strongman" is his NBA career didn't work out. Of course it was a joke, but there is truth behind it.

3. He gets position as well as anyone in the draft this year. Whether it be rebounding or low post scoring. Today he didn't play as well as he should have but he had Dorsey on him who JUST concentrated on Love, and nothing else. Notice Dorsey (who is a high first, early second round draft pick) scored no points, and did nothing else besides rebound, and guard Love like a glove. hehe..

4. He's quicker than most think, has played for a major D1 school along with every other NBA prospect, help take them to the final four, won freshman POY, and Pac-10 POY, might be all American... To say he wont make it in the NBA is just ignorant.. Nobody knows if he will or will not, but the odds are with him that he will over some athletic freak who has minimal skills. It's a proven fact.
 
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Whoa... You just watched today.. As the resident "Love expert" here I can find a number of things wrong with what you said..

1. First off, he is Petrie's type of player.. Reason is because he doesn't play D very well and he can pass the ball better than any big man in the draft.

2. He is powerful. He has tremendous upper body strength. There was a note about him in the newspaper that said he could train to be a "strongman" is his NBA career didn't work out. Of course it was a joke, but there is truth behind it.

3. He gets position as well as anyone in the draft this year. Whether it be rebounding or low post scoring. Today he didn't play as well as he should have but he had Dorsey on him who JUST concentrated on Love, and nothing else. Notice Dorsey (who is a high first, early second round draft pick) scored no points, and did nothing else besides rebound, and guard Love like a glove. hehe..

4. He's quicker than most think, has played for a major D1 school along with every other NBA prospect, help take them to the final four, won freshman POY, and Pac-10 POY, might be all American... To say he wont make it in the NBA is just ignorant.. Nobody knows if he will or will not, but the odds are with him that he will over some athletic freak who has minimal skills. It's a proven fact.

That was about all Dorsey did, and Love had him in foul trouble most of the game. It was the guard play of UCLA that lost them the game. The truth is, today, Memphis was a better team. For a while there I thought just about eveyone on the UCLA team had grease on their hands.
 
Whoa... You just watched today.. As the resident "Love expert" here I can find a number of things wrong with what you said..

1. First off, he is Petrie's type of player.. Reason is because he doesn't play D very well and he can pass the ball better than any big man in the draft.

2. He is powerful. He has tremendous upper body strength. There was a note about him in the newspaper that said he could train to be a "strongman" is his NBA career didn't work out. Of course it was a joke, but there is truth behind it.

3. He gets position as well as anyone in the draft this year. Whether it be rebounding or low post scoring. Today he didn't play as well as he should have but he had Dorsey on him who JUST concentrated on Love, and nothing else. Notice Dorsey (who is a high first, early second round draft pick) scored no points, and did nothing else besides rebound, and guard Love like a glove. hehe..

4. He's quicker than most think, has played for a major D1 school along with every other NBA prospect, help take them to the final four, won freshman POY, and Pac-10 POY, might be all American... To say he wont make it in the NBA is just ignorant.. Nobody knows if he will or will not, but the odds are with him that he will over some athletic freak who has minimal skills. It's a proven fact.

How so?
 
Kevin Love is a young Brad Miller: can't jump, relatively slow, great passer, a banger, poor lateral movements, good mid-range jumper, excellent view of the court and better finishing 5-10 ft from basket.

He could fall to 10-11 but would doubt down to 13.
 
I like Kevin, but not for this team. We don't need to continue going 'round in circles. We need a frontcourt with a defensive presence or superstar. Preferably a star that can play defense. Love will be neither. Granted, we're probably not going to get that at 13 (which is why there is so much work to be done. We need to have a top 3 pick next year), but their are better options for us.
 
I like Kevin, but not for this team. We don't need to continue going 'round in circles. We need a frontcourt with a defensive presence or superstar. Preferably a star that can play defense. Love will be neither. Granted, we're probably not going to get that at 13 (which is why there is so much work to be done. We need to have a top 3 pick next year), but their are better options for us.

Ehh. The last time I checked we were drafting at number 12. Not 13. Look, lets talk about obvious team needs. Two stats that need to be improved the most are rebounding and assists. I personally put assists ahead of rebounding. Therefore, if I'm drafting, I'm drafting someone who has the ability to pass the basketball. Teams that are at the top in assists are always at the top in wins. So, I don't think Petrie is going to draft some tall, athletic, unskilled player with the hope that he someday turns into a rebounding, shot blocking, assist machine. He can't afford to gamble.
This, by the way, is not an endorsement of Love. I'm speaking in general terms. He may well solve the PF position via trade. He may also draft a SF with both scoreing and passing skills and then trade Artest and Salmons.

As far as knowing what Petrie is going to do, good luck. Remember Peja and Hedo. I don't think anyone predicted those picks. He goes to his own drummer and picks who he thinks will help the team regardless of projection.

Defense is mentioned a lot on this fourm and rebounding is the first line of defense. For every rebound you get, its one less posession for the other team. Steals and shot blocking get all the glory, but rebounding helps defense more that any other part of the game. Shot blocking is overrated in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, its nice to have, but its too subjective on the part of the officials to suit me. One official see's it as a blocked shot and another see's it as a foul. If you don't aquire the right reputation, you can foul out of every game trying to be a shot blocker. Plus, how many times have you seen the blocked shot get blocked right back to the other team and they score anyway. So what value did it have? Looks good on the stat sheet though.

Now, a few things about Love. I don't know if he's going to be poor, average, good, or great at the next level. But I do know that someone thats succeeded at a high level has a better chance to succeed at the next highest level. I've never understood the argument that one player that is outstanding at his current level is going to fail, and someone who is struggling at the same level is going to succeed, based on pie in the sky. I just think we need to keep a perspective on what the team needs. And as I stated above, I think assists come first.
 
Ehh. The last time I checked we were drafting at number 12. Not 13.

Sorry, 13 was stuck in my head from the post before mine. Cruzdude said 13 and it stuck. Not really relevant, anway.

Look, lets talk about obvious team needs. Two stats that need to be improved the most are rebounding and assists. I personally put assists ahead of rebounding. Therefore, if I'm drafting, I'm drafting someone who has the ability to pass the basketball. Teams that are at the top in assists are always at the top in wins. So, I don't think Petrie is going to draft some tall, athletic, unskilled player with the hope that he someday turns into a rebounding, shot blocking, assist machine. He can't afford to gamble.

Where did I say we should take some tall, athletic, unskilled player with those hopes? Didn't say that anywhere. My preferred choice is Arthur, and he's certainly not unskilled. And I'll have to disagree about the gambling. This is the time we can gamble. This team is going absolutely nowhere in a hurry, it's ridiculous to me that some (not you) think we are just a solid PF away from competing and that we'll push for a PO spot next season. Time is on our side, we are not going towards a window where our competitive levels will fall (we are, but in a good way). This is exactly the time to take someone we think can be a star for us down the road. No one is guaranteed to be good, so take the player with the highest ceiling.



Defense is mentioned a lot on this fourm and rebounding is the first line of defense. For every rebound you get, its one less posession for the other team. Steals and shot blocking get all the glory, but rebounding helps defense more that any other part of the game. Shot blocking is overrated in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, its nice to have, but its too subjective on the part of the officials to suit me. One official see's it as a blocked shot and another see's it as a foul. If you don't aquire the right reputation, you can foul out of every game trying to be a shot blocker. Plus, how many times have you seen the blocked shot get blocked right back to the other team and they score anyway. So what value did it have? Looks good on the stat sheet though.

Agree about rebounding being more important than shotblocking. However, there are going to be far less rebounds to be had if you're getting scored on every time down the floor. We've been there, having two defensive liabilities in the frontcourt is not going to get it done. Name me a team that has won a 'chip with a weak defensive frontcourt and I may change my mind. Having a shotblocker isn't everything, but it intimidates players going into the lane and can have an affect on the other teams shot selection. It's like a domino effect.

Now, a few things about Love. I don't know if he's going to be poor, average, good, or great at the next level. But I do know that someone thats succeeded at a high level has a better chance to succeed at the next highest level. I've never understood the argument that one player that is outstanding at his current level is going to fail, and someone who is struggling at the same level is going to succeed, based on pie in the sky. I just think we need to keep a perspective on what the team needs. And as I stated above, I think assists come first.

Is this aimed at me? Or generally? Because not once have I said Love won't succeed. Love is probably the player most likely to have a good career in this draft. I disagree about the "pie in the sky" thing. You can't just look at stats and say "He'll be a bust". Some players take longer to develop, some are great athletes with room for improvement. There have been many cases of "proven" players failing completely in the NBA after great college careers while players tagged "project" have panned out. Likewise, there has been many cases of the opposite.
Being a better college player doesn't necessarily mean you're going to be better than the guy who wasn't as good but has a higher ceiling.

I like Love, just not for this team. I won't be disappointed if we take him because he is a smart guy and really good to watch (not highlight reel material but that doesn't matter). I just think if I were in Geoffs position I would take someone else.
 
Sorry, 13 was stuck in my head from the post before mine. Cruzdude said 13 and it stuck. Not really relevant, anway.



Where did I say we should take some tall, athletic, unskilled player with those hopes? Didn't say that anywhere. My preferred choice is Arthur, and he's certainly not unskilled. And I'll have to disagree about the gambling. This is the time we can gamble. This team is going absolutely nowhere in a hurry, it's ridiculous to me that some (not you) think we are just a solid PF away from competing and that we'll push for a PO spot next season. Time is on our side, we are not going towards a window where our competitive levels will fall (we are, but in a good way). This is exactly the time to take someone we think can be a star for us down the road. No one is guaranteed to be good, so take the player with the highest ceiling.





Agree about rebounding being more important than shotblocking. However, there are going to be far less rebounds to be had if you're getting scored on every time down the floor. We've been there, having two defensive liabilities in the frontcourt is not going to get it done. Name me a team that has won a 'chip with a weak defensive frontcourt and I may change my mind. Having a shotblocker isn't everything, but it intimidates players going into the lane and can have an affect on the other teams shot selection. It's like a domino effect.



Is this aimed at me? Or generally? Because not once have I said Love won't succeed. Love is probably the player most likely to have a good career in this draft. I disagree about the "pie in the sky" thing. You can't just look at stats and say "He'll be a bust". Some players take longer to develop, some are great athletes with room for improvement. There have been many cases of "proven" players failing completely in the NBA after great college careers while players tagged "project" have panned out. Likewise, there has been many cases of the opposite.
Being a better college player doesn't necessarily mean you're going to be better than the guy who wasn't as good but has a higher ceiling.

I like Love, just not for this team. I won't be disappointed if we take him because he is a smart guy and really good to watch (not highlight reel material but that doesn't matter). I just think if I were in Geoffs position I would take someone else.

In answer to you question, no, it was not aimed at you. Actually all of my comments were meant to be gereral. I think you and I agree on most things. To me, Arthur is not pie in the sky. Jordan is. Doesn't mean that any of these guys won't become good players. I just think you have to limit your chance of failure as much as you can. By the way, I think I've said this before, but just in case, I like Love, but he's not my first choice.

Before anyone values my opinion too much, I think I should tell you that I thought Olowakandi was a sure thing. We can't be right all the time.
 
I cannot find the stats page, but Sacramento was one of the worse in 2nd chance points in the league.. Someone that is good at defensive rebounding/boxing out would help a TON in this department as well. Wouldn't give up so many points.

I am just using this as a "for instance" type statement. You take a guy like Love, and if he quelled let's say an average of three offensive boards a game which lead to 3.5 less second chance points per game things might be different in the long run (a whole season). I say defensive rebounding because Moore is as good as Love would be on the offensive rebounds. So the second chance points on our end would remain the same. I will dig those stats up.. I just forget which site had them..
 
Kevin Love is a young Brad Miller: can't jump, relatively slow, great passer, a banger, poor lateral movements, good mid-range jumper, excellent view of the court and better finishing 5-10 ft from basket.

He could fall to 10-11 but would doubt down to 13.

Did you just say that Miller was a banger and is a good finisher LOL:p. Anyways I dont think Love would be the best pick depending on the lottery i would like to draft a athletic TRUE pg or a Rebounding pf.
 
I cannot find the stats page, but Sacramento was one of the worse in 2nd chance points in the league.

Here are our depressing rebounding stats.

Total rebounds: 29th place
Total reb. allowed: 18th
Offensive rebounds: 23rd
Offensive reb. allowed: 25th
Defensive rebounds: 20th
Defensive reb. allowed: 10th (OMG!!! Above average... because our FG% is also.)
Rebounding differential: 23rd
 
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Shot blocking is overrated in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, its nice to have, but its too subjective on the part of the officials to suit me. One official see's it as a blocked shot and another see's it as a foul. If you don't aquire the right reputation, you can foul out of every game trying to be a shot blocker. Plus, how many times have you seen the blocked shot get blocked right back to the other team and they score anyway. So what value did it have? Looks good on the stat sheet though.

Agreed, to some extent, but I think there is a less tangible side of shotblocking that is often overlooked: deterrent value. For every shot that gets blocked, there are probably 2 or 3 other shots that are delayed, bungled, or completely skipped because some big dude was in the way.

This is especially important for us since Theus seems determined to play the zone. You can't play zone with a wide open lane.

So I'm hoping for an athletic blocker/rebounder, and a pass first PG out of this draft. Those two needs are so obvious that I give them priority over everything else.
 
Did you just say that Miller was a banger and is a good finisher LOL:p. Anyways I dont think Love would be the best pick depending on the lottery i would like to draft a athletic TRUE pg or a Rebounding pf.

Love is a rebounding PF. Who did you have in mind? Love is ranked #4 in major D1 schools in rpg. Only Thompson, Beasley, and Brockman are ranked higher.
 
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