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He's probably the best outlet passer in the game. His passing skill is less evident to me in the half court offense.
He's probably the best outlet passer in the game. His passing skill is less evident to me in the half court offense.
he was a rookie. i think he still has a lot of potential. players like him & jimmer need other players to help create for them. the kings fail miserably to realize this. this is magnified when you have a micro pizza shoot first boy looking for his and not others.
He's probably the best outlet passer in the game. His passing skill is less evident to me in the half court offense.
he was a rookie. i think he still has a lot of potential. players like him & jimmer need other players to help create for them. the kings fail miserably to realize this. this is magnified when you have a micro pizza shoot first boy looking for his and not others.
i don't think love is a good fit and it really reeks of desperation like the brooklyn nets trying to make a splash. stack up a whole lotta big names and hope that it works. i'm all for it if we're dumping contracts like landry, d will in the process... the problem is, we're going to give up last years 1st, this years first, expiring and maybe other assets to acquire a rental. if and when that rental decides to walk, yes we can sign and trade. look what that netted us last year. good ol greivis.
traded capspace & 2 2nd rd picks for mbah moute which turned out to be dwill
signed landry to 4 yr 6.75m contract
drafted ben (should have taken steven adams)
drafted ray
traded for rudy
cut jimmer
s&t reke for greivis
signed a gang of 10 day contracts
am i missing anything else?
You forgot to mention the brilliant trade for Tyreke that got us Brook Lopez.
Then PDA decided Lopez was not a good fit and he then gift wrapped him to Portland for a second round pick. He then used the money he saved with the trade and signed the great fit Carl Landry.
We are so much better off today with Carl Landry than Brook Lopez next to DMC!!!
Robin.
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And yes, that was maybe the most bizarre part of the whole thing.
""Kevin can get his shot, but it's easier to take big guys out of the game. When you have a perimeter person who can break people down and help his teammates, that's a different story. We don't have anybody doing that on a consistent basis.""
i thought rubio was supposed to be that guy?
Yes, Robin. Thanks.
Robin would actually have been a better fit next to DMC than Brook anyways.
And if the D-Day landing had been in the Netherlands we would have probably lost the war.You forgot to mention the brilliant trade for Tyreke that got us Brook Lopez.
Then PDA decided Lopez was not a good fit and he then gift wrapped him to Portland for a second round pick. He then used the money he saved with the trade and signed the great fit Carl Landry.
We are so much better off today with Carl Landry than Brook Lopez next to DMC!!!
@DarrenWolfson: Re: Love to Kings trade idea report -- prob. only enticing to #Twolves if can get Randle/Vonleh at 8. Hear they favor those two over Gordon.
Isn't this the same team that signed Andre Iguodala as a free agent one day and then pulled the offer back the next because he didn't really want to be a King?
I don't object to the trade on principle: The Kings have proven that adding a middling lottery pick several years in a row doesn't buy you much, so giving up No. 8 and whatever pieces are needed to make the salary cap work for Love isn't a huge deal. At best, the Kings improve and maybe even make the playoffs, get fans excited as the new arena is being built, and Love decides like so many others before him that Sacramento ain't so bad after all. At worst, we get to watch Love in a Kings jersey for a year -- which may not be ideal from a basketball standpoint but would be exciting nonetheless -- we get a bunch of cap space when he leaves, and we're back to where we are now in a couple of seasons, only in a sparkling new arena. The only real risk is that the No. 8 pick becomes a star, and when was the last time that happened for the Kings?
Honestly, though, this smells a bit like a marketing ploy. If the Kings had landed a top-three pick, it would be much easier to sell season tickets, I'd wager. Most of us are rather ho-hum about how things turned out in the lottery ("We're number eight! We're number eight!"). Time to think about baseball and other summer pursuits. But the mention of pursuing Kevin Love certainly has created a buzz...
The only real risk is that the No. 8 pick becomes a star, and when was the last time that happened for the Kings?
You can still work around the Love/Boogie defensive issues. Get some real defensive backcourt options at both PG and SG to limit penetration and a 3rd big who's defensive minded and can pair with either, such as a Robin Lopez, and we're much farther ahead than if we moved down in the draft for unproven talent.Honestly, I'd rather Trade down and get Capela and Payton/LaVine. The thought of having absolutely no rim protection or defense (the result of getting Kevin Love) and also a bunch of iso players scares me. I feel like PDA and Malone are not on the same page. All signs have pointed to PDA valuing offense a lot more than defense since thats all he talks about, but that's not what wins playoff games. I think Malone is a great coach, but he needs pieces to work with, pieces that fit his philosophy for basketball.
You can still work around the Love/Boogie defensive issues. Get some real defensive backcourt options at both PG and SG to limit penetration and a 3rd big who's defensive minded and can pair with either, such as a Robin Lopez, and we're much farther ahead than if we moved down in the draft for unproven talent.
A Love/Boogie pairing simply has too high a ceiling to pass on. It's also much easier to surround those two with 3&D role players than it is to get the stars in the first place.
While on paper it's a poor defensive pairing, it's an outstanding rebounding pairing which is a part of defense. With that in mind, get perimeter defenders to cut down on penetration and force more long/contested jumpers and we'll clean up the glass. There's more than one route to good defense. A shot blocker is one of them, strong perimeter defense and cleaning the glass is another.
We're not going to get Kevin Love. It's not going to happen. You may all stop now.
I wouldn't look at it this way. Whoever Minnesota picks at #8 would be their pick, it wouldn't be our pick. The question would be, looking back, could we have improved our team more by using that #8 pick in a different trade or by picking anybody else available on the board at that time? Should we have kept the players we throw into the Love deal and seen how much they improved? (For instance -- would you rather have Andrew Bynum (All-Star, second team All-NBA center) or Andre Igoudala, Nikola Vucevic, Moe Harkless, and a future pick? That's what Philly gave up for their one year rental.)
Building off what I said before, Love is only on the radar at all because it looks like an opportunity to grab a highly regarded player who seems to currently be available. This might be a good opportunity for us to use our assets to trade up into a different talent level (like we did with Rudy Gay) but if Love is gone in a year, we've wasted a bunch of assets on a pointless detour instead of once and for all settling on what kind of team we think can win in the league and then seeking out players who fit that style of play. The difference this time is we didn't use any future assets in the Gay deal, only spare parts and unwanted contracts. In this case we'd be giving up any real shot of developing our way out of lottery hell. If this gambit doesn't work, we're worse than before -- we have no young talent and less time to figure it out before Cousins starts exploring his options.
We have cap space next year. We add another young talent in the draft right now, look for ways to add more, then start to look at specific targets. Not just guys who are available and have big numbers, but good fit talents we can use to build a winning team. Give Malone a year to work with a team not a revolving door of trade assets. Why get impatient now? I'm all for taking advantage of opportunities while you can, but it looks like we don't even have a plan right now. Just scoop up whatever we can get. Evans/McLemore/Igoudala/Cousins looked like a plan that might work. A good balance of scoring, play making, and defense. For one brief instance it looked like all the waiting might be paying off and then they did a complete 180 and started heading in the opposite direction. I'm still confused.
But isn't what you're suggesting essentially staying the course? Sure, it's a legitimate strategy, just not all that exciting. Even with consistent lottery picks the Kings have had mixed results. It's true that you can't really evaluate either trades or the draft until some time has passed, but I'm not sure that Bynum example is all that fair, all the red flags there. And the statement about wasting "a bunch of assets on a pointless detour" is only valid in the context of knowing what the final detail would be. The Kings once moved Chris Weber for "movable parts;" this could be a similar case, depending on how it goes down. If it's Thompson, Outlaw, Terry and No. 8 for Love (works on Real GM tradechecker), I wouldn't shed a tear.
Honestly, I don't follow college basketball enough to know whether one of the players who's reportedly going to be available at No. 8 is a difference-maker for them. I assume the Kings' personnel folks looked at all potential outcomes before the lottery was held, and the fact that they've announced to the world that their pick is available leads me to believe that they don't see enough help at No. 8. History certainly could prove them wrong, but as I said in my initial post, I don't object on principle to moving the pick for a proven player. Maybe Love isn't the right guy. I think some people have suggested Al Horford, and that probably makes more sense if he's healthy.
By the way, I think Livinthedream made a good point above. This isn't just about the Kings' ownership showing the fan base that they're trying to make strides but also about showing their own players.
We're not going to get Kevin Love. It's not going to happen. You may all stop now.
I'm not opposed to trading the pick, but I don't think Love is the right target for us. If we can get Love for Thompson, Outlaw, Terry, and #8 that's completely different. We're still giving up one significant asset for a year of Love with no guarantees, but at that point it's worth the trade-off. It makes this year interesting while we wait for cap space to build with. But I think there's already too many teams in the mix for that kind of a deal to land him.
My main criticism isn't that the front office is making some kind of move (or at least announcing their intention to). It's that I don't see one consistent train of thought which connects all of our front office's moves. I don't think you build a team that way. While we can get marginally better simply by upgrading our talent level, eventually these pieces do have to fit together and play as a team. Rudy Gay is a talented player, but I don't know that he's an ideal fit for this team and I feel the same way about Love. You want to give him to me for free, that's one thing. You want me to give you every 21 and 22 year old I have and that question mark about fit now has significant implications for the future of the team.
There are people who think a #8 pick is worthless and should be thrown into any trade which will get us a moderately effective player so we can stop waiting and get better now. Don't listen to these people. We might not get an All-Star with our pick this year, but a good scouting crew can come up with a solid starter. The fanbase wants the team to win. I don't think the majority of us are naive enough to think that a short-term payoff trumps long-term development. If the possibility of failure (Love leaves or isn't a good match) exceeds the possibility of success (Love stays and thrives next to Cousins) I think it's a bad deal. And if you throw all of your future assets into the bargain, it becomes that much harder to convince Love to stay.