Kevin Love To Kings?

[pdizo916]

Can somebody make this work?

Kings get Rondo + minny's pick
Celts get Love + 8th
Minny gets 5th + JT? Landry?

so we get rid of both jt's and landry's horrible contract, and we get back an elite PG AND a lottery pick? SIGN ME UP!!!!

I would do this without getting any pick back. Of course Minny and Boston would not do it.

 

[kupman]

As much as I would love to have Love here, I think this thread is a fantasy. I will gladly eat my words if it does happen though.

A DMC, Gay Love front court could be awesome. I have as much concern about having that much talent in the front court as concern when the Celtics started 3 future hall of famers in their front court with Bird, McHale and Chief. Somehow it worked out okay.

 

[The Hammer]

Is there a rumor of an offer the Kings have made or are thinking of making?

Can someone offer a summary? Thanks.

 

[Gliesian]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Love incredulous when Cousins won the MVP or something in the rookie-sophomore allstar game? I just remember him shaking his head and looking pissed when Cousins won. It's been a long time since then, so maybe he's over it.

 

[annihilator_33]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Love incredulous when Cousins won the MVP or something in the rookie-sophomore allstar game? I just remember him shaking his head and looking pissed when Cousins won. It's been a long time since then, so maybe he's over it.

Cousins participated in 2011 & 2012, John Wall won the MVP award in 2011 & Kyrie Irving won it in 2012.....Kevin Love last participated in the challenge in 2010 when he was on the Sophomore team

 

[Spike]

Is there a rumor of an offer the Kings have made or are thinking of making?

Can someone offer a summary? Thanks.

Here's a link:
http://dimemag.com/2014/05/kings-willing-trade-kevin-love-without-assurances/

 

[The Hammer]

Here's a link:
http://dimemag.com/2014/05/kings-willing-trade-kevin-love-without-assurances/

Thanks. Yeah I was aware of the seriousness of the Kings interest, I was wondering if there was any word from the Kings side as to the players involved in a deal.

Personally, I'd do the #8, IT, and JT for love. I would try to avoid including McLemore. I have a sneaking suspicion he'll pan out in the next year or two. I like that his stock is low and that he's not necessarily being targeted by trade partners and that people are less likely to "demand" that he be included in a deal.

I think Ray can hold down the pg duties just fine, especially with the scoring load picked up by Love, should IT depart.

Though I'd love to toss them Landry instead of JT.

 

[twslam07]

Thanks. Yeah I was aware of the seriousness of the Kings interest, I was wondering if there was any word from the Kings side as to the players involved in a deal.

Personally, I'd do the #8, IT, and JT for love. I would try to avoid including McLemore. I have a sneaking suspicion he'll pan out in the next year or two. I like that his stock is low and that he's not necessarily being targeted by trade partners and that people are less likely to "demand" that he be included in a deal.

I think Ray can hold down the pg duties just fine, especially with the scoring load picked up by Love, should IT depart.

Though I'd love to toss them Landry instead of JT.

You can't trade Thomas and #8. You can trade Thomas or #8.

Unfortunately, we can only sign and trade Thomas, but that cannot happen until free agency. When free agency roles around the draft will be over. Do you see the dilemma?

You could possibly draft a player at #8 and then include him in a Thomas sign and trade for Love, but I'm not sure what the restrictions are on immediately trading away your draft picks.

 

[Gliesian]

Cousins participated in 2011 & 2012, John Wall won the MVP award in 2011 & Kyrie Irving won it in 2012.....Kevin Love last participated in the challenge in 2010 when he was on the Sophomore team

Ah, it must have been someone who looked like Love b/c it is so ingrained in my memory, should've searched before posting, thanks!
My thoughts on this speculative trade:
I think Ray Mcallum would be great at defending the opposing team's PG. I really don't think we need a vet pg because love is the best passing big man and Cousins is in the top 5. If we got a SG who could shoot the lights out and defend well, I think we could get a ring with that team

 

[pshn80]

Thanks. Yeah I was aware of the seriousness of the Kings interest, I was wondering if there was any word from the Kings side as to the players involved in a deal.

Personally, I'd do the #8, IT, and JT for love. I would try to avoid including McLemore. I have a sneaking suspicion he'll pan out in the next year or two. I like that his stock is low and that he's not necessarily being targeted by trade partners and that people are less likely to "demand" that he be included in a deal.

I think Ray can hold down the pg duties just fine, especially with the scoring load picked up by Love, should IT depart.

Though I'd love to toss them Landry instead of JT.

I hope your inclination about Ben is correct. And it might be but I just don't want to live through it one way or another, at least not with him in the starting lineup. If he stays and starts along side IT he will be a much greater drag on our ply than IT.

 

[Gary]

Why not? If we pull off the Love trade, and somehow manage to keep Gay, he wouldn't have to do anything but play defense, bring the ball up the floor, and feed it to one of those guys who will run the offense.

You have a point. Still scares me though. Chalmers would be the perfect fit. He is a LOT better than his stats indicate because he knows his role on the Heat. He could be a 17ppg/8apg kind of PG who can defend. A Mike Conley caliber PG.

That's my opinion on Chalmers but I have liked him since he was in college and wanted the Kings to get a late 1st to draft him.

 

[luckytkp]

The only advantage we have is we are willing to trade for Love without any guarantee on extension or even opt in after next year. We are probably the only team willing to do that.

 

[Tetsujin]

Ah, it must have been someone who looked like Love b/c it is so ingrained in my memory, should've searched before posting, thanks!
My thoughts on this speculative trade:
I think Ray Mcallum would be great at defending the opposing team's PG. I really don't think we need a vet pg because love is the best passing big man and Cousins is in the top 5. If we got a SG who could shoot the lights out and defend well, I think we could get a ring with that team

DeJuan Blair looks like Kevin Love?

 

[hoserama]

Ah, it must have been someone who looked like Love b/c it is so ingrained in my memory, should've searched before posting, thanks!
My thoughts on this speculative trade:
I think Ray Mcallum would be great at defending the opposing team's PG. I really don't think we need a vet pg because love is the best passing big man and Cousins is in the top 5. If we got a SG who could shoot the lights out and defend well, I think we could get a ring with that team

I remember that. Wasn't it Brook Lopez?

 

[King Baller]

DeJuan Blair looks like Kevin Love?

They both have beards and wear a number that starts with 4.

 

[Kingster]

I'm all for taking advantage of opportunities while you can, but it looks like we don't even have a plan right now. Just scoop up whatever we can get. Evans/McLemore/Igoudala/Cousins looked like a plan that might work. A good balance of scoring, play making, and defense. For one brief instance it looked like all the waiting might be paying off and then they did a complete 180 and started heading in the opposite direction. I'm still confused.

I think that is the plan - accumulate assets whenever and whenever possible, no matter the circumstances or the fit of the player in question. It is ironic to me, as that was Petrie's plan, and he's now fishing somewhere.

There is one other element to their strategy - a very concerted effort to charm the "stars" on their team. PDA let it be know from the beginning that they were hopeful to charm Gay into staying. Seems to me they would be using the same strategy for Love if they made the trade. Not to be too political, but this sort of reminds me of presidents who believe their winning personality can charm whatever adversary they have in the world. It rarely works because the adversary has different interests in mind. Similarly, players make decisions largely on money and winning, less on the charming personalities of management and coaches. One thing for sure, if they do make the deal for Love, there are going to be a plethora of billboards and commercials and press conferences about Love, attempting to seduce him into resigning. Would Cousins take offense to the over-the-top suck-up to Love? That's an open question.

 

[Gary]

I think that is the plan - accumulate assets whenever and whenever possible, no matter the circumstances or the fit of the player in question. It is ironic to me, as that was Petrie's plan, and he's now fishing somewhere.

There is one other element to their strategy - a very concerted effort to charm the "stars" on their team. PDA let it be know from the beginning that they were hopeful to charm Gay into staying. Seems to me they would be using the same strategy for Love if they made the trade. Not to be too political, but this sort of reminds me of presidents who believe their winning personality can charm whatever adversary they have in the world. It rarely works because the adversary has different interests in mind. Similarly, players make decisions largely on money and winning, less on the charming personalities of management and coaches. One thing for sure, if they do make the deal for Love, there are going to be a plethora of billboards and commercials and press conferences about Love, attempting to seduce him into resigning. Would Cousins take offense to the over-the-top suck-up to Love? That's an open question.

Petrie seemed to like to trade away assets for a bunch of players ("moveable pieces"). The last few years of the Petrie regime seemed to do the opposite of what PDA is doing. Probably because of the previous crappy owners but he still signed off on it never the less. Petrie was stale. PDA is at least trying.

 

[Gary]

I wonder what the locker room look like at STA. Wonder if there is a room in there with a nice couch and a few TVs and such. I had always been a believer that making a player feel relaxed (rather than being in a crummy locker room without comfort amenities) will make him play better. Seems the new regime is going out of their way to make the players happy and comfortable here... Which is a good thing....

 

[HereWeBoogie]

I wonder what the locker room look like at STA.

 

[Hadlowe]

IMO, acquiring Love is somewhat of a risk, but not a complete crapshoot. Here are the scenarios I can see.

1) Love, Cousins, Gay are potent enough offensively to push the Kings into the playoff picture and Gay and Love decide to resign (and maybe draw Rondo in trade/FA).

2) The Kings are a fringe playoff team (think Phoenix this year), but either get knocked out easily in the first round or miss the playoffs. Love and Gay bolt, leaving cap space to make runs at the other big name free agents to play with Boogie.

3) Love, Cousins, Gay just do not mesh and the Kings look lottery bound at the trade deadline. They can still package Love and Gay for some good deals from playoff teams.

None of those three scenarios are disastrous. #2 is not good and likely resets the rebuild clock, but the potential upside of pairing Cousins and Love for a better, younger version of Gasol/Randolph is just too big to ignore, IMO.

 

[pshn80]

If we get Love the result depends on who we give up besides thr 8th. We would be in good shape at the 4and 5 with Cuz, Love, JT and Evans. We'd be OK at the 3 with Gay and JWill. We'd be OK at PG with IT and Ray. We' be in desperate shape at SG. Ben OK at backup leaving a void at starter. Or you can start Ben and move up from 28 wins to 38. Don't want to do that.

 

[Gary]

Nice thanks! It looks pretty nice (could be a bit more spacious). Nice amenities plus a great/friendly ownership/management group could net some big time FAs.

 

[Mike]

IMO, acquiring Love is somewhat of a risk, but not a complete crapshoot. Here are the scenarios I can see.

1) Love, Cousins, Gay are potent enough offensively to push the Kings into the playoff picture and Gay and Love decide to resign (and maybe draw Rondo in trade/FA).

Agreed, those three guys have the offense to certainly push this team into contention for the play offs. I'm not sure Love, Cousins, Gay, and Rondo are realistic to keep unless we pay huge amounts of luxury tax like the Nets. But if we could, I would like to see us acquire Rondo for PG. Him, along with Gay or Love, and Cousins would be the base of a good team.

2) The Kings are a fringe playoff team (think Phoenix this year), but either get knocked out easily in the first round or miss the playoffs. Love and Gay bolt, leaving cap space to make runs at the other big name free agents to play with Boogie.

It would be a tough pill to swallow if both Love and Gay decided to walk away. Granted we would have cap space to pursue free agents, but with no draft picks in 2015, it would be a possibility that the team could end up in rebuilding mode.

3) Love, Cousins, Gay just do not mesh and the Kings look lottery bound at the trade deadline. They can still package Love and Gay for some good deals from playoff teams.

If the team is lottery bound at the deadline, that would really make certain people's positions almost untenable. Though it would be ironic if we did trade away Love and Gay, two stars, for younger talent and turned it around like the Raptors did this season after they traded Gay.

None of those three scenarios are disastrous. #2 is not good and likely resets the rebuild clock, but the potential upside of pairing Cousins and Love for a better, younger version of Gasol/Randolph is just too big to ignore, IMO.

I think the second scenario is disastrous in the sense that we would have two key pieces walk away, and be left in a precarious position in which to rebuild from. We wouldn't have draft picks in 2015 unless we made some moves to acquire them, and while we would have cap space to pursue free agents, it wouldn't be a great selling point for future players to see how we fail to hold onto our star talent. Now granted we could make some big moves and replace Gay and Love with a new SF and PF combination. But I think it wouldn't be great to see the second scenario happen.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

How fast do people forget that during the Webber era, our front court also featured Vlade and Peja who will never get a nod for being shot blocking players or defensive specialist. However those 2 were very smart players and really kept the offense rolling. When we needed more punch on defense we put in rotation players like Clark or Pollard or Funderburke.

Now if we can have a Love-DMC-Gay front court the offense would certainly keep rolling. DMC may still have ways to go but he has certainly improve his defense aside from probably already leading the league in getting charges. Gay has kept a steady presence of some good weak side blocks every game as well. IMO, Gay+DMC combined on defense would be near what Webber bring to that trio on defense as well.

So my argument is that if we were able to make a really good run with a Vlade-Webb-Peja trio, I think DMC-Love-Gay would be respectable. Not to mention that DMC and Love are also 2 of the bigs in the league that could pass the ball as well. And did I mention that Love and DMC rebounds the ball much better than our ancient trio does? I'm not ignoring the need of playing defense but I think some folks here are too worried about losing that in DMC-Love combo.

What?!?! Vlade Divac was one of the best rim protectors in the league. He wasn't a Ben Wallace on the stats board in terms of blocking shots but he had his fair share. His main attribute on his presence was his size and strength in the paint on the D-end. Only him and Sabonis could keep up with Shaq in the paint. Very few guards at the time that would take on Vlade in the paint because he was extremely intelligent and just had to raise his hands in the air to cause players to contort and miss their crap.
Stojakovic was also one of the most underrated defenders in the league. He was an excellent man-to-man defender. He wasn't no Bruce Bowen obviously but he kept Dirk at bay many times and many other star players. So, credit has to be given there. One reason many might have thought of him as a weak defender was because he was freaking 6'10 and had to guard SF's who were 6'6. With no athleticism, that's a hard feat. but he still managed to do so!

Love-DMC-Gay may work but only if DMC orientates his game more towards the defensive end and sacrifices his energy for the team on the defensive side rather than bringing up the ball and trying to win a game by himself.

One thing that you're forgetting....The rest of the damn team.
Kings also had Mike Bibby and Doug Christie who were essentially established stars in their respective roles. It wasn't just Vlade-Webb-Peja that took over games. Then we also had one of the best bench presences in the NBA with Bobby Jackson being the main culprit.
Sure, if Ben Mac and Ray Mac develop and somehow we can resign IT to a 6th man role and pick up a few vets then we'd actually be able to emulate that legendary team BUT that's not going to happen for at least another season or two due to our CAP issues and the fact that Rudy Gay and Kevin Love would probably not resign after this season. So, there's that...

 

[KingsCitizen]

What?!?! Vlade Divac was one of the best rim protectors in the league. He wasn't a Ben Wallace on the stats board in terms of blocking shots but he had his fair share. His main attribute on his presence was his size and strength in the paint on the D-end. Only him and Sabonis could keep up with Shaq in the paint. Very few guards at the time that would take on Vlade in the paint because he was extremely intelligent and just had to raise his hands in the air to cause players to contort and miss their poopoo.
Stojakovic was also one of the most underrated defenders in the league. He was an excellent man-to-man defender. He wasn't no Bruce Bowen obviously but he kept Dirk at bay many times and many other star players. So, credit has to be given there. One reason many might have thought of him as a weak defender was because he was freaking 6'10 and had to guard SF's who were 6'6. With no athleticism, that's a hard feat. but he still managed to do so!

Love-DMC-Gay may work but only if DMC orientates his game more towards the defensive end and sacrifices his energy for the team on the defensive side rather than bringing up the ball and trying to win a game by himself.

One thing that you're forgetting....The rest of the damn team.
Kings also had Mike Bibby and Doug Christie who were essentially established stars in their respective roles. It wasn't just Vlade-Webb-Peja that took over games. Then we also had one of the best bench presences in the NBA with Bobby Jackson being the main culprit.
Sure, if Ben Mac and Ray Mac develop and somehow we can resign IT to a 6th man role and pick up a few vets then we'd actually be able to emulate that legendary team BUT that's not going to happen for at least another season or two due to our CAP issues and the fact that Rudy Gay and Kevin Love would probably not resign after this season. So, there's that...

LOL man! As I mentioned Peja and Divac were smart players. But you're wearing way too purple glasses. Try to get some sun.

 

[Kingster]

You have a point. Still scares me though. Chalmers would be the perfect fit. He is a LOT better than his stats indicate because he knows his role on the Heat. He could be a 17ppg/8apg kind of PG who can defend. A Mike Conley caliber PG.

That's my opinion on Chalmers but I have liked him since he was in college and wanted the Kings to get a late 1st to draft him.

Couldn't disagree more. He's nowhere close to Conley in ability

 

[Hoovtrain]

Couldn't disagree more. He's nowhere close to Conley in ability

Yeah, he is nothing like Conley. Conley is much more of a playmaker who can create his own shot. Chalmers makes his living getting kick, wide open 3's. I do like Chalmers size and defensive abilities though and the fact he knows his role.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

There a rumors of Boston being quite interested in KLove and that perhaps he's intrigued by the idea of possibly going there - which would include re-signing.

If at all true, how about the Kings trying to get involved as a third party wherein they land Rondo?

If the Kings are going to gamble on an all-star talent for one season with no guarantees of that player re-signing, I'd much rather take the gamble on a player that'd be a better fit. If for no other reason other than defensively, Rondo is the better fit.

I wonder if a package of McLemore, an expiring contract and the #8 pick could get them involved.

 

[ParniValjak]

There a rumors of Boston being quite interested in KLove and that perhaps he's intrigued by the idea of possibly going there - which would include re-signing.

If at all true, how about the Kings trying to get involved as a third party wherein they land Rondo?

If the Kings are going to gamble on an all-star talent for one season with no guarantees of that player re-signing, I'd much rather take the gamble on a player that'd be a better fit. If for no other reason other than defensively, Rondo is the better fit.

I wonder if a package of McLemore, an expiring contract and the #8 pick could get them involved.

I would think that if Boston was going down the path of getting Kevin Love, it would be to pair him with Rondo not to replace Rondo with him! It makes no sense for them otherwise. I doubt Love would want to go to Boston if Rondo is not there.

I long believed that we would restart the trade discussions for Rondo come draft night but if Boston lands Love, then, that ship has also sailed.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I would think that if Boston was going down the path of getting Kevin Love, it would be to pair him with Rondo not to replace Rondo with him! It makes no sense for them otherwise. I doubt Love would want to go to Boston if Rondo is not there.

I long believed that we would restart the trade discussions for Rondo come draft night but if Boston lands Love, then, that ship has also sailed.

Yeah, Boston isn't dumping Rondo if they can trade for Love. And if Love wants to go to Boston, the Celtics can make a heck of an offer, largely because they have a ton of future first round draft picks. For instance: Sullinger, Jeff Green, Keith Bogans (unguaranteed, to match salary, Minny can cut him), the #6 this year, the Clippers' #1 next year, and Boston's #1 next year. That's three first-round picks, all either this year or next. Minny can't possibly turn that down, right?

The amazing thing is that three first-round picks doesn't even hurt Boston. The Celtics would still have the #17 this year, Philly's #1 next year (protected 1-14, otherwise two second rounders), and two more future firsts from Brooklyn on top of all of their own picks from 2016 forward.

To steal from Bill Simmons only because it seems so appropriate here - who says no?