Kevin Love To Kings?

[John Galt]

When we traded Mitch Richmond for Chris Webber, it was without any assurance that he would re-sign. In fact it was with Webb saying no way would he re-sign. Look what happened.

A roll of the dice like this is how you do it. You get DMC, Love and Gay to spash into the playoffs next year and take the first round to 7 games... and have so much doing it that Love can't help but re-sign.

Then we're off to the races with a premium big man tandem just like in the olden days.

Go Pete Go!!!!

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

What sort of monetary value does the pick have, for trade purposes? Would Landry, McLemore and the pick get it done? Any chance they'd take Williams back?

 

[Bosnian Diehard]

If we complete a Kevin Love trade I'd quit calling gerbil gerbil.

 

[Sac.Kings]

What sort of monetary value does the pick have, for trade purposes? Would Landry, McLemore and the pick get it done? Any chance they'd take Williams back?

I think the Wolves hold most of the cards in this hand.. I wouldn't even suggest for them to take anyone back (unless they wanted someone). The only problem with a Love-Cousins lineup (and if Gay stays), you suddenly need to get to the playoffs because Love will definitely leave if you don't. So, do you trade away your former #7 pick, your 8th pick, and the first player that the new management signed from free agency for Love, crossing your fingers and dancing around the fire hoping that we make the playoffs this year? You fail, you look like a fool, but if it works... you look utterly brilliant. The Kings need something ... I don't know what it is, but they need a big time move, something to get the fan base and the team super excited about possibly making the playoffs. It's been too long, progress needs to be made this year.

 

[Gary]

If we complete a Kevin Love trade I'd quit calling gerbil gerbil.

It's probably more realistic than people think.. Minnesota will lose Love no matter what. They need to get something for him. Why not an 8th pick and a couple players?

I think we will get Love. A front court of Gay/Love(yes yes)/Cousins would probably be one of the best n the league, if not THE best. If they would fit together then there is no reason why the team couldn't make the playoffs. I assume they would probably go into the year with IT as well and McLemore, or a signed SG.

 

[miltonap]

I still don't know about Kevin Love, I just don't think he is a good fit for us, at all. His defense is awful and we need defenders. I guess he would help spread the floor? I just don't know how it would work, with Rudy and Demarcus already being so ball dominant. I mean the talent would be off the charts but is it worth the risk of giving up a very serviceable player at 8, maybe even two if we trade down, possibly McLemore who I still really like, with the unlikelihood that he resigns. I just don't think it's worth it. Not for Kevin Love. Maybe another player yes.

I need some convincing and I'm all ears

 

[HndsmCelt]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/kings-...ithout-assurance-he-ll-re-sign-015519118.html

futile or not, so much more effort than Geoff was mailing in for the last decade. go gerbil go.


BTW, as I just got done mentioning that #8 and combo of players basically maxes out at #8/Ben/Ray...bad contracts...and oh, do you want DWill back?

Hey I gotta like the fact that PDA it trying to make it rain. I even have to say that IF we could find a way to keep Rudy and add Love the offense from the front court might be worth the defensive short comings. Anyway it is nice to see the aggressive trade talk.

 

[Cecil]

What's up with the gerbil nickname?

 

[The_Jamal]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/kings-...ithout-assurance-he-ll-re-sign-015519118.html

futile or not, so much more effort than Geoff was mailing in for the last decade. go gerbil go.


BTW, as I just got done mentioning that #8 and combo of players basically maxes out at #8/Ben/Ray...bad contracts...and oh, do you want DWill back?

Here's the thing though. The "We're willing to roll the dice and take Love without an extension" puts the clock on Minny. They absolutely know they're going to lose him in FA. If no one else comes calling, espcially with a lottery pick, then that 8th pick all of a sudden starts to look really good. It's a ballsy move, that's for sure. This sort of trade changes our "better start winning or else" clock from still having some time to put pieces together to NOW.

I'd love the deal personally. Love and Cousins would have a legit chance to be a 50-25 tandem night in and night out. We'd get 48 minutes of 2 of the best offensive big men in the NBA. We'd easily be the best rebounding team in the NBA with Cousins/Love/Reggie just decimating the boards. I don't see what opposing defenses would do to stop them.

Also, at some point, you just do the Miami thing and screw offensive hierachy and just out-talent everyone. IT-Gay-Love-Cousins as your core is pretty much more talented than every other team in the NBA

 

[macadocious]

I don't see how we have the assets to make this work, unless an IT S&T is included, but I don't know if they would want that and if it would be possible.

 

[John Galt]

What's up with the gerbil nickname?

Some guys got mad because he let Tyreke Evans go and signed Carl Landry... so they started calling him gerbil as a dis. Good news is that one guy said he will stop it if he acquires Kevin Love. I suppose if Landry turns into a strong contributor, then everyone else might drop it too.

 

[Sac.Kings]

Music to my ears... I could care less who we trade away as long as it's not Cousins, although I would really like to keep Gay.

 

[The_Jamal]

What sort of monetary value does the pick have, for trade purposes? Would Landry, McLemore and the pick get it done? Any chance they'd take Williams back?

8th pick is somewhere in the 2.1-2.4 mil range, I believe. Landry at 6.5, Mclemore at 3.0 and the pick in that 2.1-2.4 range. With Love making 15.7 mil next season, we're still a little ways off. Adding Terry would actually work perfectly

 

[Tetsujin]

Even if a Cuz/Love/Gay frontcourt makes absolutely no long term sense, I have to give PDA a lot of credit for trying to make things happen. After years of Geoff Petrie's glacial approach to team construction, having a guy who apparently can't survive if he isn't trying to make a twenty player trade is quite the change.

 

[Bricklayer]

8th pick is somewhere in the 2.1-2.4 mil range, I believe. Landry at 6.5, Mclemore at 3.0 and the pick in that 2.1-2.4 range. With Love making 15.7 mil next season, we're still a little ways off. Adding Terry would actually work perfectly

While it would of course be nice to dump the Landry contract, given how dicey our offer would be in the first place probably more realistic to actually ship them back DWill to take over at PF where he put up spotty numbers for them two years ago with Love out. its our best offer, and the numbers work out:

Love $15.7mil (ender/player option)

for

#8 pick $2.4mil salary slot
McLemore $3.0mil
Terry $5.45mil (ender)
Williams $ 6.7mil (ender)
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$15.1mil + $2.4mil for the pick = $17.5mil, all in enders or kids/picks. best we can do for attractive. Hey Minny! We are offering you the #8pick, last year's #7, and a former #2!!! And hey, Terry even has championship experience! Take the deal and run!

 

[Bricklayer]

Hey I gotta like the fact that PDA it trying to make it rain. I even have to say that IF we could find a way to keep Rudy and add Love the offense from the front court might be worth the defensive short comings. Anyway it is nice to see the aggressive trade talk.

Of course the thing with gerbil remains...aggression, no doubt. And some of that goes to ownership. Us old timers are old enough to remember a time when even Geoff Petrie was pretty aggressive because he had an open pocketbook and could write in whatever number he liked. But with gerbil...is there a plan? Literally every single thing we have done has been aggressively opportunistic. As soon as word hits the streets somebody is available -- and it has been the streets too, they have been notorious cases we fans all knew about -- gerbil throws his that in the ring, whoever it might be. So we've been the team scooping up low hanging unwanted fruit. And a good change I say! But it still doesn't answer the question if we know what we are doing or not. If I gave a complete amateur guy off the street marching orders as my new GM to "make something happen!" he would have pursued/be pursuing the same things gerbil has because they are the obvious cases.

 

[The_Jamal]

While it would of course be nice to dump the Landry contract, given how dicey our offer would be in the first place probably more realistic to actually ship them back DWill to take over at PF where he put up spotty numbers for them two years ago with Love out. its our best offer, and the numbers work out:

Love $15.7mil (ender/player option)

for

#8 pick $2.4mil salary slot
McLemore $3.0mil
Terry $5.45mil (ender)
Williams $ 6.7mil (ender)
---------------------------------
$15.1mil + $2.4mil for the pick = $17.5mil, all in enders or kids/picks. best we can do for attractive. Hey Minny! We are offering you the #8pick, last year's #7, and a former #2!!! And hey, Terry even has championship experience! Take the deal and run!

Indeed. You basically give them whomever they want. I just want to see Love and Cuz frontcourt! The only offensive big duo I can think of with that comes close is Sampson and Hakeem. Barkley and Hakeem were both old when they teamed up and you had baby Duncan and old Drob when they teamed up. Pairing 2 23+ PPG 12+ RPG 3+ APG bigs is pretty damn exciting.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Some guys got mad because he let Tyreke Evans go and signed Carl Landry... so they started calling him gerbil as a dis. Good news is that one guy said he will stop it if he acquires Kevin Love. I suppose if Landry turns into a strong contributor, then everyone else might drop it too.

I'm smelling a lot of "if" coming off of that post...

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Would be awesome if there was a way to pull this off without giving up DMC, Rudy, or McLemore but i don't see it

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

While it would of course be nice to dump the Landry contract, given how dicey our offer would be in the first place probably more realistic to actually ship them back DWill to take over at PF where he put up spotty numbers for them two years ago with Love out. its our best offer, and the numbers work out:

Love $15.7mil (ender/player option)

for

#8 pick $2.4mil salary slot
McLemore $3.0mil
Terry $5.45mil (ender)
Williams $ 6.7mil (ender)
---------------------------------
$15.1mil + $2.4mil for the pick = $17.5mil, all in enders or kids/picks. best we can do for attractive. Hey Minny! We are offering you the #8pick, last year's #7, and a former #2!!! And hey, Terry even has championship experience! Take the deal and run!

Hey, if they'd take Williams back, that'd work for me, too: my proposal was based on the supposition that they'd want more offense coming back than our other options at PF, and the fact that Landry is the highest-paid PF on the roster. If they'd take Williams/Terry/McLemore and the pick, I would be fine with it but, all things being equal, I'm still on the "Marvin K. Mooney Carl Landry, Will You Please Go Now?" bandwagon.

 

[Sac.Kings]

Would be awesome if there was a way to pull this off without giving up DMC, Rudy, or McLemore but i don't see it

McLemore will have to be included, he is one of the few attractive pieces we can offer.. I wouldn't even get hung up on McLemore... if there was any chance to land Love without giving up Cousins (preferably Gay as well, but even he wouldn't be untouchable), you do it. Ben hasn't shown me enough... at some point this team has to get better and waiting to see if a young player improves is risky because it is not a guarantee. With Love, you know what you're getting, and it's a lot.

 

[John Galt]

I'm smelling a lot of "if" coming off of that post...

"if" and "might" open up so many more possibilities lol

 

[Gary]

Some guys got mad because he let Tyreke Evans go and signed Carl Landry... so they started calling him gerbil as a dis. Good news is that one guy said he will stop it if he acquires Kevin Love. I suppose if Landry turns into a strong contributor, then everyone else might drop it too.

Yah I hate that name for him. He seems to have great bball knowledge and he's repairing 6 years (or more) worth of damage from they who wont be named.

 

[Livinthedream]

So if we throw in Ben, we're essentially giving Minny 2 lottery picks for Love? Thats risky because now we're still not a complete team. Zero shooting guards and no bench. If Ben is included and we don't show well enough next year and lose Gay and Love.......that's a serious set back. We probably lose Cousins as well in the end. Is the risk worth it? I think we have to find a way to keep Ben.

 

[KingsCitizen]

Minnesota would probably prefer a bunch of expiring/8th pick/ and will probably add one of JT or Landry.
So if this happens, my take is KLove for JT/Outlaw/Terry/Acy/8th pick.

We end up with:

C - DMC/Evans
PF - Love/Landry
SF - Gay/Williams
SG - Ben
PG - Ray

Add some vets (i.e. Andre Miller at PG or at best we get to sign Thabo) and boom..... PLAYOFFS BABY!

 

[kingsboi]

I'm not sure I like this idea of going after Love with no commitment to resign. I know the notion is we are trying to make a playoff push next season but obliterating your team in the process and giving up two young assets in the process is too much of a gamble. Surely, the front office has to have multiple plans in effect and not just try to put all these scorers together with nothing else to balance things out.

 

[Livinthedream]

I may have missed it if mentioned before, but why wouldn't JT be part of this equation? PDA wants him gone, and Minny probably wants a big man in return as well. Not sure how the salary works, but I'm sure one has crunched the numbers.

Edit: right on cue KingsCitizen

 

[Bricklayer]

So if we throw in Ben, we're essentially giving Minny 2 lottery picks for Love? Thats risky because now we're still not a complete team. Zero shooting guards and no bench. If Ben is included and we don't show well enough next year and lose Gay and Love.......that's a serious set back. We probably lose Cousins as well in the end. Is the risk worth it? I think we have to find a way to keep Ben.

Its really not that risky, as as many superstar heavy teams have shown, once you have the big guns in place, you don't need anything else but roleplayers.

You can "rebuild with youth" forever, as we have been doing, forever. At some point you have to make the same stab the great teams do, abandon that process, and go all in for a winning squad.

 

[Bricklayer]

I may have missed it if mentioned before, but why wouldn't JT be part of this equation? PDA wants him gone, and Minny probably wants a big man in return as well. Not sure how the salary works, but I'm sure one has crunched the numbers.

Edit: right on cue KingsCitizen

the reason I suggest DWill as the more likely last piece is if this is done its a rebuilding move for the Wolves. they don't want Landry or JT's longterm money anymore than we do. DWill on the other hand is still young enough they can take a chance at some lingering value, and he's basically an ender.

That's why I say #8, Ben and DWill (ender) Terry (ender) is the best we can offer them. Dumping the longterm deals to Landry/JT would have to wait until a later deal. Would have to happen though, because obviously we'd be overcommitted up front.

 

[gunks]

Way better off going after Al Horford who will actually help you win instead of putting up cool numbers.

Yup.