Obviously Eubanks isn’t the low post scorer JV is, but he runs the floor and defends at a respectable level. I don’t see a huge downgrade there when you factor in defense.
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Obviously Eubanks isn’t the low post scorer JV is, but he runs the floor and defends at a respectable level. I don’t see a huge downgrade there when you factor in defense.
Joshyjosh31
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Alright if you gonna do the stupid gap then run it back and give Carter minutes why would you sign Schroeder. Now you’re wasting a year and not giving your lottery pick any minutes and Sabonis probably demands a trade next offseason as well
I was told before June that Derozan would be in demand when I said we’d get second rounders at best for him now it’s wait till the trade deadline, hilarious.
Frick, outsmarted once again
It's clear no matter if Perry even rates Carter that they don't think he is equipped to start at PG and integrate the other players into the flow of an NBA offense. I don't disagree with that assessment. Whether or not Schröder is the guy to do it, I'm not sold. But it's clear we needed to have at least one experienced vet at PG on the roster. I don't understand how he got the contract he did but I am hoping because his agent is Keegan and Keon's agent there is some sort of quid pro quo taking place.
SacTownKid
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Domas wouldn't go for that. He was the one that started this "we need a PG thing". If they are trying to placate him, whatever, it's prove it or move it time on all the high paid players if the Kings are smart. This is better than Fox trying to get Monte to drops picks/youth for a marginal wing upgrade. Perry could easily screw this up and throw any common sense out the window, but he hasn't yet. At least not totally, haha.
SacTownKid
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I don't know if any of this has more intent, but the funny thing is there is probably no better a player for Carter to learn from than Schroder. The way he runs offense is probably how one would envision someone like Carter running it if he develops.
coolhandluke
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We did give Peeler a two-year deal but gave him the player option for the second year that he exercised to become a free agent. It was considered a mistake at that time. Anyway, Wallace was getting DNPs here and he was wasted as the human victory cigar here. Going to Charlotte gave him playing time and he developed with more responsibility on his shoulders.
Joshyjosh31
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I don’t believe Sabonis is good enough to be making calls like that or getting coaches fired allegedly
I don't think Sabonis got Brown fired, I think that was a rumor started by Fox's camp and spread to their twitter influencer crew.
Heard one of the radio shows touch on Sabonis not on board with Brown and his practices, etc.
Zero reason for them to lie on this topic.
No reason to lie but Recee was also the radio guys' source.
From Sabonis perspective when the team was home and had a day off he wanted to be with his kids in Napa. Mike Browns perspective the team doesn’t get to practice much during the season so any chance they had to practice he looked at that as an opportunity to get better. Tough because you can see where both sides are coming from.
I am going to take Brown's side on that one.
Yeah, I think this is most likely what took place. And it's hard to fault a guy with a newborn for wanting to be with his family more. That falls into that "we forget that professional athletes are also people" category where neither guy (Sabonis or Coach Brown) is a villain for having different opinions about the best way to do their jobs.
Joshyjosh31
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It’s his job to practice
If the complaint with Brown (possibly legit) was that he runs guys ragged at practice that's one thing. I did not like, for example, that he had a 2-3 hour practice before the flight to LA while the management was meeting to terminate him. Why do that to guys right before travel? It seems like it was punishment for the night before.
But not being able to go to Napa between games? I don't know, if you have 3 days between games by all means give a day off. Don't practice on rest days if you play M-W-F or T-W-F but you have to practice some time?
But not being able to go to Napa between games? I don't know, if you have 3 days between games by all means give a day off. Don't practice on rest days if you play M-W-F or T-W-F but you have to practice some time?
I have a feeling it was legit because it sounds like Doug really dialed the practices back when he took over. He doesn't strike me as the type to do that unless it's really necessary.
I know there is a lot more that goes into scheduling like NHL dates, concert tours, ice capades, and of course most important of all Monster Jam, but I do think some kind of scheduling uniformity should be a goal, especially if the league looks at knocking back a few games, they can do a more balanced schedule, insure proper rest between games, and additionally guarantee that when home players get adequate family time.
That said as I mentioned in the previous post it seems like Brown last year was running practice as a disciplinary measure, and some of his pressers too. I don't think we got enough data to discern if other things changed last year, or if he just coaches one way when times are good and another when times are bad, or what all happened.
Domas's first child was born in 2022 so it's not like this parenting thing/demands were brand new this past season.
SacTownKid
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True, very true, and it was Browns job to realize practice isn't making up for flawed schemes and then going out after games and passive aggressively taking shots is a good way to go home with pay. Job well done Mike.
Something was broken. You have to practice, the only thing that really makes sense unless I have completely misjudged Domas, is that Brown was adding extra practice because of all the losing. Which would also explain why players seemingly turned on Brown in the span of a month. The only other thing that could have happened was DDR refusing to buy in. But Domas has been our workhorse since he got here.
The expectations for sure changed a lot between year one and year three under Mike Brown. That Beam Team year everyone was just happy to be here and that team led the league in scoring which fed into the fun factor (for the players and the fans). As soon as Coach tried to establish a defensive mindset the whole thing collapsed, which has always been the M.O. for the Sacramento Kings for as long as I've been a fan. We don't hire defensive-minded players, coaches, or GMs. It's always last on the priority list. Fox and Murray seemed committed to the cause (at least until Mike Brown was fired, in the case of Fox) but two guys do not make up a team and the commitment everywhere else to playing hard on defense was wavering.
I don't see how you can expect the Coach to implement a new defensive scheme mid-season without holding extra practices. But I'm not really surprised this is what happened with Coach Brown ultimately because he's been in the league for a long time and he's been part of multiple championship winning squads with multiple Hall of Fame players on them but he'd never been part of a coaching staff in Sacramento before. We've had multiple players talk about the culture difference between Sacramento and wherever they went next. Our front office personnel, coaches, and players will all talk the talk about playing defense but the culture of lackadaisical play here is way too entrenched for one guy to break it. Not without the firm backing of ownership.
kingsboi
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Kings season ends in April and Sabonis has all the way until mid October for father time, this is nonsense from his perspective
bajaden
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One thing was a fact. Brown had the team practice more than the usual amount that typical for an NBA team. Also, Sabonis wasn't the only player on the team who was rebelling against the practices. Monk was constantly arguing with Brown. The people I know have told me that a little less than half the team was not happy with the amount of practices.
bajaden
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If you don't agree with Sabonis that's fine, but no one on the team plays harder than him. He plays through injuries and is probably the most beat up player on the team. So I can understand where he's coming from. When they travel from one city to another and get in at 2 in the morning, but have to get up early to go to the arena and do walk throughs and shoot arounds, I think that's a bit too much.
To be fair we don’t know all the details. If Sabonis wasn’t the only one who thought it was overboard it’s possible MB was doing a little too much.
kingsfan101
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Surprised no one posted this yet 
kingsfan101
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Don't want to throw any shades at Brown, particularly since there is truth to our being a dysfunctional organization, and several players being reportedly unhappy being here. More importantly, don't know what happened.
However, it's also true that Brown has often worn out his welcome as the head coach. I do believe he is generally well liked; as you mentioned, he has been part of multiple championship winning teams, got strong support from his bosses; hell he even pulled Ron Artest back from the stands in Detroit. Perhaps, just luck that he couldn't cross the final frontier as the head coach resulting in him getting fired, or perhaps he's a great assistant, but not necessarily a great long-term head coach.
kingsboi
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Fair enough. If players felt that he was over the top in some scenarios, that didn't warrant a firing but rather a sit down and discussion on how to proceed. It's all speculation on our part, we don't know the details behind the scenes
kingsboi
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even so, that's when the GM has a sit down with him and discuss ways to proceed rather than a firing but for all we know, he could of been told to tone it down and didn't. It's why it will be interesting to see how his season with the Knicks go and if the same tendencies come to light or if it's a Kings media spin
Joshyjosh31
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Makes sense it’s a loser franchise and players can’t expect them to respond well to a championship coach
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