Keon Ellis

[SacTownKid]

Yeah, this is pretty much my point. We DO have talent on this roster, but it's in the worst possible spot to be; not good enough to be a contender and not bad enough to be truly bad. If you simulated our upcoming season 1000 times, a majority of them are between 35 and 43 wins.

With or without Kuminga? This is why if the Kings are actually trying to win they need to see what this roster can do first. Putting any of their chips in now is assuming need and impact or just trying to get value because it's out there. You never know, the Kings might have a great camp. LaVine stars up, they get chemistry and they storm the league early on. What if they don't have shots to go around? Kuminga isn't really bringing anything if he's not producing points. Perry is beyond putting the cart before the horse if he's focusing this heavy on positional need. Postional need isn't the difference between beating any of these now fully loaded up teams in the West. Maybe if it's all world defensively but none of these moves remotely project that.

 

[The_Jamal]

With or without Kuminga? This is why if the Kings are actually trying to win they need to see what this roster can do first. Putting any of their chips in now is assuming need and impact or just trying to get value because it's out there. You never know, the Kings might have a great camp. LaVine stars up, they get chemistry and they storm the league early on. What if they don't have shots to go around? Kuminga isn't really bringing anything if he's not producing points. Perry is beyond putting the cart before the horse if he's focusing this heavy on positional need. Postional need isn't the difference between beating any of these now fully loaded up teams in the West. Maybe if it's all world defensively but none of these moves remotely project that.

I don't really care if Kuminga is an instant impact or not. Obviously would prefer it, but the thesis behind acquiring him is not to enhance the current version of the Kings. It's to swing on if he's a potential cornerstone player or not. And that's young enough where he can be apart of the next good Kings team if we firesale the vets.

 

[SacTownKid]

I don't really care if Kuminga is an instant impact or not. Obviously would prefer it, but the thesis behind acquiring him is not to enhance the current version of the Kings. It's to swing on if he's a potential cornerstone player or not. And that's young enough where he can be apart of the next good Kings team if we firesale the vets.

Then he needs to bite the bullet and take the swing. If he was trying to get Kuminga for free, he tried, time to bury this.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

I'll charity bet this. Kings finish somewhere 7-11 in the West. 12-15 you win. 7-11 I win. Above 7th is a push.

Sactowndog keeps dodging me, so we need to get some new action going. 3-0 on the forum is waiting for me

I’ll pass I’ll bet we don’t finish 7-9 though

We’ll finish 10 get smacked by 30 miss out on a good pick and run it back the following season

 

[The_Jamal]

I’ll pass I’ll bet we don’t finish 7-9 though

We’ll finish 10 get smacked by 30 miss out on a good pick and run it back the following season

Lol, what happened to "7-11 range is viewing this team the Kings-colored glasses"

Instantly fold on your take?

 

[TheMobb]

I’ll pass I’ll bet we don’t finish 7-9 though

We’ll finish 10 get smacked by 30 miss out on a good pick and run it back the following season

what happened? If Sabonis, LaVine and DeRozan are so terrible this should be easy money right?

 

[sono]

Vivek's insistance on trying to be "competitive" is the biggest impediment.

Sabonis
Murray
DeRozan
Lavine
Schroder

With Monk as the 6th man

Is likely a team that likely finishes somewhere between the 8-11 slot in the West.

On the other hand a starting lineup of

Sabonis
Kuminga
Murray
Ellis
Schroder

with heavy minutes for Carter, Clifford, Raynaud, and Jones probably finishes 10-12 in the West. Ultimately it's the same result minus a play-in game, but a much brighter future moving forward.

But if LaVine or DeRozan are on the team they'll start and Monk will get heavy minutes.

It'll be worse. I was a big supporter of Deebo. Sure, he has upsides, but watching him last season, he's the momentum killer, forget about team basketball, with him in the starting lineup. They gotta move him at all costs.

 

[Warhawk]

Is what we’re doing better atleast there’s hope when your building with high picks we know we’re play-in at best with the roster we have. And it’s gonna be hell in here when Carter, nique, and Ellis are getting 15mpg so GSW can kick our ass in the play in

what was the better result this year trading for Lavine and watching Dallas beat us like a college team or not taking back Lavine get the 12th pick and a kings ransom from New Orleans at draft time

There's no hope when you're tanking for 4-5 years in a row and keep getting picks in the 8-12 range because lottery odds aren't what they used to be. Picks 5-20 are often very similar. So why try to be bad and get (effectively) the same chance of a good player as a pick 5 slots higher?

We aren't bad enough to "guarantee" a top 5 pick, and as long as Vivek is owner there's no way to get there. So, no. No hope there. Even if we luck out I still remember the Pervis Ellison and Marvin Bagley debacles. I never get too hyped over draft picks. Most are busts to not great players at this level.

 

[coolhandluke]

Lol, what happened to "7-11 range is viewing this team the Kings-colored glasses"

Instantly fold on your take?

To be fair, 7-11 is such a wide range. In terms of win total (from last season), this varies from 48-36 wins (a difference of 12 wins, which is 15% of the 82 games season).

Kings adding vets and not having a Top 6 finish even in the range of possibilities is a sad state of affairs.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

what happened? If Sabonis, LaVine and DeRozan are so terrible this should be easy money right?

Celebrating cause we made the 10th seed is insane work

Lol, what happened to "7-11 range is viewing this team the Kings-colored glasses"

Instantly fold on your take?

Injuries can happen and we end up 10 which is pathetic if they did away with the stupid play in nobody would offer a bet that we’d be the 8th seed

 

[TheMobb]

Celebrating cause we made the 10th seed is insane work



Injuries can happen and we end up 10 which is pathetic if they did away with the stupid play in nobody would offer a bet that we’d be the 8th seed

Where did I celebrate? I asked what happened because for months you have said there are 12-13 teams in the West that the Kings aren’t close to, again in this thread said the 11th seed wasn’t realistic, and every single post is full of negativity bashing the players, front office and organization I would’ve thought you would’ve took the bet with no issue.

 

[kingsfan101]

There's no hope when you're tanking for 4-5 years in a row and keep getting picks in the 8-12 range because lottery odds aren't what they used to be. Picks 5-20 are often very similar. So why try to be bad and get (effectively) the same chance of a good player as a pick 5 slots higher?

We aren't bad enough to "guarantee" a top 5 pick, and as long as Vivek is owner there's no way to get there. So, no. No hope there. Even if we luck out I still remember the Pervis Ellison and Marvin Bagley debacles. I never get too hyped over draft picks. Most are busts to not great players at this level.

Part of the aim of "tanking" is to develop young players. I don't believe in the idea of throwing a bunch of youngsters together, without on court leadership and a clear plan. Keegan has to step up and be a leader. He might not be very excited about playing on a rebuilding team after making the playoffs just once during his rookie contract. If Scott is able to sell him on a concrete plan, he might be game for it. Hopefully, we can find him some player coach kind of player; a respected vet around the league who can mentor the players without taking court time away from them. Someone like Kevin Ollie, or Haslem, or even Shump.

If we do tank (let's call it rebuild), the aim should be to get young players and multiple picks, swaps, etc. Idea should be to stack up on young talent, and then swap some of that to try to get to the next level; something the Rockets are doing.

Easier said than done. Other than Domas, we won't get a lot for most of our vets. Plus, matching salaries is always a *****. This is where a player-coach kind of player might be useful. Serves the twin purpose of matching salary, while guiding the kids without taking playing time away from them. Such players are probably tougher to find than actual stars, but they hold lot more value for us than for a contending team. So, if we target them, we might get lucky.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

Where did I celebrate? I asked what happened because for months you have said there are 12-13 teams in the West that the Kings aren’t close to, again in this thread said the 11th seed wasn’t realistic, and every single post is full of negativity bashing the players, front office and organization I would’ve thought you would’ve took the bet with no issue.

Na I always had us 10-13 so making it 7-11 is a losers bet for me I have 9 teams that are clearly ahead of us no questions