Karl on DMC Suspension

[VF21]

Sean Cunningham ‏@SeanCunningham 33m33 minutes ago
On suspension of DeMarcus Cousins, George Karl pivoted to Vlade Divac taking action yesterday. Said his job is to win games.

Sean Cunningham ‏@SeanCunningham 33m33 minutes ago
'When someone's triggering anger at you, if you go back (at them) with anger - you trigger more anger' - George Karl on Cousins' tirade

Sean Cunningham ‏@SeanCunningham 23m23 minutes ago
I asked if he thought incident w/ DeMarcus Cousins was something they could put behind them, George Karl said he couldn't answer that...

Sean Cunningham ‏@SeanCunningham 21m21 minutes ago
But George Karl followed that with 'hopefully we can communicate and it gets to a good place.' He hasn't spoken to Cousins - will tomorrow

 

[Iced Espresso]

That's a fair reply, well thought out.

Could of potentially made the situation more "interesting" which is not really preferred.

 

[VF21]

I saw the whole commentary on the pre-game and George Karl was very fair about the whole thing. James Ham and one other reporter, however, tried their best to stir up crap. George didn't buy into it.

 

[Merdiesel]

"My job is to win games."
Well you ****ing suck at your job.

 

[Im Still Ballin]

Good, level headed, professional response from Coach Karl. This ain't his first rodeo.

 

[VF21]

Good, level headed, professional response from Coach Karl. This ain't his first rodeo.

It's true that George knows the right things to say. But actions speak much louder than words. As much as you disparage those of us who continually want to give explanations for some of Cousins actions, we at least will be honest when he messes up. I think I have yet to see you even once acknowledge the possibility that George Karl might actually have feet of clay and make the occasional mistake.

 

[Chubbs]

Good, level headed, professional response from Coach Karl. This ain't his first rodeo.

Very true.

It's his last.

 

[bajaden]

It's true that George knows the right things to say. But actions speak much louder than words. As much as you disparage those of us who continually want to give explanations for some of Cousins actions, we at least will be honest when he messes up. I think I have yet to see you even once acknowledge the possibility that George Karl might actually have feet of clay and make the occasional mistake.

I think the discord between Karl and Cousins, and the results of the season are two different issues, although of course, they are related. Cousins doesn't like Karl, and made that known from the get go. Rightly or wrongly, Cousins is entitled to his opinion. However, it's an attitude that's probably going to doom any positive results. While I agree that NBA players are professionals, and they're getting paid to act accordingly, if your heart isn't in something, it's going to show up in the results. And that's when the results start representing why you didn't want Karl as your head coach to begin with. Which makes it a self fulfilling prophecy.

In short, Karl went in to this season with one foot on the banana peel. If he couldn't get the team off to a good start, and he didn't, then it was going to be an uphill battle. The mistake Karl made, was he tried to get along with Cousins, instead of going Calapari on him. Cousins lost respect for Karl, and saw him as a weak old man. Which he may be at this point of his career. The point is, none of this works within a team concept. You can't have the best player on the team trying to undermine the head coach and expect to win games.

In six years, Cousins has gotten along with one head coach, and the sampling in that relationship is a very small one. We assume that had Malone not been fired, we would have gone on to win a championship, more banners would have gone up into the rafters, and the halls would be littered with pictures of Malone and Cousins embracing. Maybe! It's a possible scenario. But the opposite is also possible. It's also possible that the team would have starting losing once the league figured out what they were doing, and Cousins would have gotten restless again. We really don't know, do we? We assume what we want to assume. After all, it's our dream.

Look, everything I've just written could be dead wrong. I'm just an old guy that's observing and trying to figure out the why's and wherefores. What I know to be a fact, is that the one common denominator is DeMarcus Cousins. Make what you will of that.

Edit: By the way, by no means am I endorsing Karl. I think he's been terrible. Some of his quotes are almost laughable.

“Your mind has to think sharply, quickly and aggressively,” Karl said. “We haven’t had a consistent rotation, so there might not be a lot of confidence sometimes in the rotation, but you’ve got to fight through that.”

We haven't had a consistent rotation? Really? Whose fault is that?

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/kings-blog/article65639022.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Chubbs]

I think the discord between Karl and Cousins, and the results of the season are two different issues, although of course, they are related. Cousins doesn't like Karl, and made that known from the get go. Rightly or wrongly, Cousins is entitled to his opinion. However, it's an attitude that's probably going to doom any positive results. While I agree that NBA players are professionals, and they're getting paid to act accordingly, if your heart isn't in something, it's going to show up in the results. And that's when the results start representing why you didn't want Karl as your head coach to begin with.

In short, Karl went in to this season with one foot on the banana peel. If he couldn't get the team off to a good start, and he didn't, then it was going to be an uphill battle. The mistake Karl made, was he tried to get along with Cousins, instead of going Calapari on him. Cousins lost respect for Karl, and saw him as a weak old man. Which he may be at this point of his career. The point is, none of this works within a team concept. You can't have the best player on the team trying to undermine the head coach and expect to win games.

In six years, Cousins has gotten along with one head coach, and the sampling in that relationship is a very small one. We assume that had Malone not been fired, we would have gone on to win a championship, more banners would have gone up into the rafters, and the halls would be littered with pictures of Malone and Cousins embracing. Maybe! It's a possible scenario. But the opposite is also possible. It's also possible that the team would have starting losing once the league figured out what they were doing, and Cousins would have gotten restless again. We really don't know, do we? We assume what we want to assume. After all, it's our dream.

Look, everything I've just written could be dead wrong. I'm just an old guy that's observing and trying to figure out the why's and wherefores. What I know to be a fact, is that the one common denominator is DeMarcus Cousins. Make what you will of that.

This is just bullcrap.

This team's current stretch of incompetence goes back beyond cousins. And it will continue without him.

The problem is ownership. People don't like me saying that but it's reality.

This franchise has been among the most poorly run in sports for 26 of 31 years. 99-2004 or whenever the terrible Webber trade occurred was the only competent stretch. It's been beyond terrible since.

This franchise has had 3 clear hall of fame level talents. Richmond, Cuz and Webber.

Only one managed a plus .500 season. Webber. And he had a lot of help.

Baja, you know all of this yet jump on the silly common denominator narrative like you're too stupid to think for yourself.

Shame on you.

 

[bajaden]

This is just bullpoopoo.

This team's current stretch of incompetence goes back beyond cousins. And it will continue without him.

The problem is ownership. People don't like me saying that but it's reality.

This franchise has been among the most poorly run in sports for 26 of 31 years. 99-2004 or whenever the terrible Webber trade occurred was the only competent stretch. It's been beyond terrible since.

This franchise has had 3 clear hall of fame level talents. Richmond, Cuz and Webber.

Only one managed a plus .500 season. Webber. And he had a lot of help.

Baja, you know all of this yet jump on the silly common denominator narrative like you're too stupid to think for yourself.

Shame on you.

You know, I have never called you stupid. Thanks! I was trying to make a specific point about a specific problem. You want me to write about the total state of the Kings? Fine, I can do that. It would take me about ten pages to do it, but I can do that. But then, why would anyone pay attention to someone that's stupid?

Edit: By the way, I try and live in the present and not the past. I don't give a tinkers damm about what happened 5 or 10 years ago. None of it matters other than the how it's lead to our current state of affairs. People still want to go back and relive when we traded Webber away. What the hell does it matter now??????? It only matters if you want to stay angry about something you can't change, and the people that did it aren't even here anymore. And the people that are here, aren't responsible for what happened then. So go wallow in your past misery. I'm only interested in the future. Which is probably less than yours.

 

[Chubbs]

You know, I have never called you stupid. Thanks! I was trying to make a specific point about a specific problem. You want me to write about the total state of the Kings? Fine, I can do that. It would take me about ten pages to do it, but I can do that. But then, why would anyone pay attention to someone that's stupid?

Edit: By the way, I try and live in the present and not the past. I don't give a tinkers damm about what happened 5 or 10 years ago. None of it matters other than the how it's lead to our current state of affairs. People still want to go back and relive when we traded Webber away. What the hell does it matter now??????? It only matters if you want to stay angry about something you can't change, and the people that did it aren't even here anymore. And the people that are here, aren't responsible for what happened then. So go wallow in your past misery. I'm only interested in the future. Which is probably less than yours.

Get off your soap box. You're no better than anyone else.

I can recall at least one occasion you have strongly implied I am indeed stupid. I was actually mostly right too. You didn't really think I'd go there if you hadn't first, did you?

The gist of my post was that Karl was not on the same page as Vlade or Vivek. That he was really struggling to coach this team. That giving him two 7 footers in Koufos and WCS was evidence of the disconnect. As WCS rots on the bench, can you really say that's dead wrong? There've been multiple times we've been lit up defensively while Koufos and WCS sit watching.

Here's my exact post.

Karl wants to play small ball and vlade got him koufos and WCS. Two 7 footers.

I don't think Karl is on the same page as vlade or Vivek and rumors of almost firing him back that up.

Rondo excel in a system? Dallas had a system. How'd that go?

I thought the difference in philosophies was plainly evident at this point. And I think Karl is struggling making this talent work together.

To which you said.

Chubb's your a smart guy, so I won't bother responding to everything you just said other than to say your dead wrong. If you take the time to really analyze what you said, I think you would change it. For instance, yes, Dallas had a system, but an entirely different system than Karl's. To generalize like you did is an insult to your own intelligence, and ours as well. That's all I have to say on the matter.

Then another guy jumped in and tore me to shreds line by line some more cause my note was so goddamn funny apparently. I can't recall what the Rondo comment was about. It probably was stupid. If I could change that part, I would. The rest though, not really that far off from reality. But you ended any chance of discussion by what you said.

Does anyone really want to say it's dead wrong to say Karl doesn't know what to do with size? Or that he didn't struggle "making this talent work together"? We're 25-39. This didn't work. The talent Vlade gave Karl was a horrible mismatch to what Karl wants to do. I wasn't wrong about that. Not at all. That exchange was on Nov. 2.

Technically, you haven't called me stupid in those exact words. You're a leader on this board. What you said about my note, implying that it was so stupid, so mindless, such drivel that it didn't even deserve a response (which you gave anyway "that's all I have to say on the matter"), yeah, that made me furious. You made a special point to make me look like a fool.

And yes, I hold a grudge. I shouldn't, but I do. I've let you know why.

 

[Bricklayer]

Okay guys, knock it off.

Only I am allowed to imply other people are stupid, and that's only because I am smarter than everybody else.

 

[Glenn]

Okay guys, knock it off.

Only I am allowed to imply other people are stupid, and that's only because I am smarter than everybody else.

Except me. I have been carrying you for years.

 

[pshn80]

Okay guys, knock it off.

Only I am allowed to imply other people are stupid, and that's only because I am smarter than everybody else.

Do two stupids cancel each other, oh great "smarter than-"? And I don't want baja to get off his soap box, I live for his input. (Smiley face!).

 

[bajaden]

Get off your soap box. You're no better than anyone else.

I can recall at least one occasion you have strongly implied I am indeed stupid. I was actually mostly right too. You didn't really think I'd go there if you hadn't first, did you?

The gist of my post was that Karl was not on the same page as Vlade or Vivek. That he was really struggling to coach this team. That giving him two 7 footers in Koufos and WCS was evidence of the disconnect. As WCS rots on the bench, can you really say that's dead wrong? There've been multiple times we've been lit up defensively while Koufos and WCS sit watching.

Here's my exact post.



To which you said.



Then another guy jumped in and tore me to shreds line by line some more cause my note was so goddamn funny apparently. I can't recall what the Rondo comment was about. It probably was stupid. If I could change that part, I would. The rest though, not really that far off from reality. But you ended any chance of discussion by what you said.

Does anyone really want to say it's dead wrong to say Karl doesn't know what to do with size? Or that he didn't struggle "making this talent work together"? We're 25-39. This didn't work. The talent Vlade gave Karl was a horrible mismatch to what Karl wants to do. I wasn't wrong about that. Not at all. That exchange was on Nov. 2.

Technically, you haven't called me stupid in those exact words. You're a leader on this board. What you said about my note, implying that it was so stupid, so mindless, such drivel that it didn't even deserve a response (which you gave anyway "that's all I have to say on the matter"), yeah, that made me furious. You made a special point to make me look like a fool.

And yes, I hold a grudge. I shouldn't, but I do. I've let you know why.

My response in to your post was entirely about your reference to Rondo, and I was implying that Rondo was a perfect fit to Karls system, because Karl gives Rondo carte blanche to do whatever he wants. Perhaps I didn't explain myseld well enough, and my intent wasn't to insult you or demean you, only argue with what you said. If I insulted you, I apologize. I used to get personal, and now I try very hard to keep my comments to the subject, and not the poster. In this case I failed.

I however don't hold grudges. I don't consider any of this nonsense personal. It's impossible to get personal with people I don't know. Some on this forum I do know, and have personal relationships with. Mostly from summer league. Let me finish with this. I have always respected you on this forum, and believe it or not, I responded the way I did because I do respect you. I just did it a little too strongly. I was probably tired and grumpy at the time..

 

[bajaden]

Okay guys, knock it off.

Only I am allowed to imply other people are stupid, and that's only because I am smarter than everybody else.

And extremely humble as well!

 

[bajaden]

Do two stupids cancel each other, oh great "smarter than-"? And I don't want baja to get off his soap box, I live for his input. (Smiley face!).

How does it feel to be in the minority. My wife knocked me off the soap box a long time ago. She tried to put a noose around my neck first. Made me suspicious.....

 

[Glenn]

BTW, I find it somewhat humorous that people can take this team so seriously. I didn't watch yesterday and it was liberating.

 

[bajaden]

BTW, I find it somewhat humorous that people can take this team so seriously. I didn't watch yesterday and it was liberating.

Yeah, I know that some live through the team vicariously, but there are far more important things in life than the Kings. Well, maybe just one or two. Maybe just one..... Mayb.......

 

[Glenn]

Yeah, I know that some live through the team vicariously, but there are far more important things in life than the Kings. Well, maybe just one or two. Maybe just one..... Mayb.......

I found one and that's all I needed.

 

[Dbeltz24]

BTW, I find it somewhat humorous that people can take this team so seriously. I didn't watch yesterday and it was liberating.

I think I'm doing a pretty horrible job at playing Devil's advocate with all the "Trade DMC" stuff.

 

[Gary]

BTW, I find it somewhat humorous that people can take this team so seriously. I didn't watch yesterday and it was liberating.

Same lol.. I went to three Kings games this year after having season tickets for the prev 4 seasons. I have watched about 15 full games on TV.. Definitely not "into it" this year. Maybe just waiting for the new arena, who knows... Maybe I have grown tired of Cousins constant complaining. I love the guy, but damn, it doesn't look like we'll ever win with him.

 

[dude12]

I think the discord between Karl and Cousins, and the results of the season are two different issues, although of course, they are related. Cousins doesn't like Karl, and made that known from the get go. Rightly or wrongly, Cousins is entitled to his opinion. However, it's an attitude that's probably going to doom any positive results. While I agree that NBA players are professionals, and they're getting paid to act accordingly, if your heart isn't in something, it's going to show up in the results. And that's when the results start representing why you didn't want Karl as your head coach to begin with. Which makes it a self fulfilling prophecy.

In short, Karl went in to this season with one foot on the banana peel. If he couldn't get the team off to a good start, and he didn't, then it was going to be an uphill battle. The mistake Karl made, was he tried to get along with Cousins, instead of going Calapari on him. Cousins lost respect for Karl, and saw him as a weak old man. Which he may be at this point of his career. The point is, none of this works within a team concept. You can't have the best player on the team trying to undermine the head coach and expect to win games.

In six years, Cousins has gotten along with one head coach, and the sampling in that relationship is a very small one. We assume that had Malone not been fired, we would have gone on to win a championship, more banners would have gone up into the rafters, and the halls would be littered with pictures of Malone and Cousins embracing. Maybe! It's a possible scenario. But the opposite is also possible. It's also possible that the team would have starting losing once the league figured out what they were doing, and Cousins would have gotten restless again. We really don't know, do we? We assume what we want to assume. After all, it's our dream.

Look, everything I've just written could be dead wrong. I'm just an old guy that's observing and trying to figure out the why's and wherefores. What I know to be a fact, is that the one common denominator is DeMarcus Cousins. Make what you will of that.

Edit: By the way, by no means am I endorsing Karl. I think he's been terrible. Some of his quotes are almost laughable.

“Your mind has to think sharply, quickly and aggressively,” Karl said. “We haven’t had a consistent rotation, so there might not be a lot of confidence sometimes in the rotation, but you’ve got to fight through that.”

We haven't had a consistent rotation? Really? Whose fault is that?

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/kings-blog/article65639022.html#storylink=cpy

So Karl tries to trade Cousins during the Summer........no mention of that. Cousins has tried like heck to make things work with Karl this year. Karl has been a crap show this year. Cuz has tried to make it all work even though Karl's schemes, especially, defensive are universally described as awful. Cousins may be temperamental but he's not stupid and he gives a damn. Karl has given half effort this year.

 

[VF21]

So Karl tries to trade Cousins during the Summer........no mention of that. Cousins has tried like heck to make things work with Karl this year. Karl has been a poopoo show this year. Cuz has tried to make it all work even though Karl's schemes, especially, defensive are universally described as awful. Cousins may be temperamental but he's not stupid and he gives a damn. Karl has given half effort this year.

And now, IMHO, George Karl is doing everything he can to make sure DMC's time here is ended. George Karl has done more to harm this franchise than anyone has ever done to any other franchise, and that includes people like Marge Shott and Donald Sperling.

 

[Chubbs]

My response in to your post was entirely about your reference to Rondo, and I was implying that Rondo was a perfect fit to Karls system, because Karl gives Rondo carte blanche to do whatever he wants. Perhaps I didn't explain myseld well enough, and my intent wasn't to insult you or demean you, only argue with what you said. If I insulted you, I apologize. I used to get personal, and now I try very hard to keep my comments to the subject, and not the poster. In this case I failed.

I however don't hold grudges. I don't consider any of this nonsense personal. It's impossible to get personal with people I don't know. Some on this forum I do know, and have personal relationships with. Mostly from summer league. Let me finish with this. I have always respected you on this forum, and believe it or not, I responded the way I did because I do respect you. I just did it a little too strongly. I was probably tired and grumpy at the time..

Let's move on. I needed to get that out apparently. It's out. I'm done.

I will say this, if Rondo gets to do whatever he wants, is that really a system? I think we sorta agree. Yeah, Rondo is great in a system as long as that system it to let Rondo do whatever he wants.

I hope we agree, of all of Vivek's horrible moves, hiring Karl was the very worst. It's about to cost us the one thing that has kept me watching this team the last 5 years. If Vivek or anyone thinks I'm going to tune in to watch a washed up coach they're more delusional than I thought. Karl wins these battles. Always has.

 

[John Galt]

Roasting Vivek for hiring Karl is monday morning quarterbacking at its worst.

Even non-believers in Karl accepted it as something positive at the time, and most of the fan base was downright giddy.

Vivek has done some stuff, but hiring Karl isn't really fair to count among his blunders imo.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Roasting Vivek for hiring Karl is monday morning quarterbacking at its worst.

Even non-believers in Karl accepted it as something positive at the time, and most of the fan base was downright giddy...

I wouldn't go that far. At best, I believe I considered Karl to be the least objectionable alternative of coaches we could get at that time. He was only a positive in the sense that he was an upgrade over Corbin.