K9 - Murphy

[Tetsujin]

Even for Martin?

Throw us a trade that could nab us Hibbert.

Here, I'll go first:

JT and Martin

for

Murphy and Hibbert

Not out of the realm of possibility, a bit shocking, but a fine gamble.

Kevin Martin is the really poor guy's Reggie Miller after all.

 

[Merdiesel]

I'm praying we just stay away from Indiana all together.

 

[Widowmaker2k]

Ugh, I don't think any of us want Troy Murphy to begin with. He wouldn't be a part of our future, and his value to us, as a 2011 expiring, is less valuable to us then KT, a 2010 expiring. If we want to waste money paying players that won't help us in the long run, just give KT an extension . If we actually gave up a piece of our young core, let alone Donte Greene (the only one besides Evans to play defense), this would be one of the worst trades in Memory from a Kings perspective. If Geoff did that, he would literally need to be fired, strait away. That would be as bad/worse than the Webber trade.

Pacers fans: Many of us Kings fans feel about Donte the way you guys do about Roy Hibbert. Given that our franchises are in similar positions in terms of long term outlook, ask yourselves this: Would you be willing to part with Roy Hibbert and an expiring (this year) for Troy Murphy?

 

[Sptsjunkie]

From the perspective of a life-long Indiana fan:

[1] The rumors have been initiated by the King's press (see: Sam Amick). [2] The Pacers are not interested in trading Murphy for an expiring contract, and that has been overstated. While a potential trade involving Thomas is possible because of salary requirements, the Pacers would want either a young player or a draft pick in return. [3] The Pacers would not trade Hibbert unless it involved a player or players who have achieved stardom. Hibbert is a key player in the organization, why would Indiana trade Hibbert and Murphy for Thomas? [4] It is likely that a trade has been discussed, however it can not be substantiated if a potential trade will occur. Keep in mind, Indiana also has had discussions with Milwaukee and Cleveland. Murphy is a very desireable player for teams with established centers because of his ability to shoot outside and rebound.

As a final note, hopefully both our teams can continue to progress. I feel like the Pacers and Kings are similar organizations with faithful fan bases. Kudos to all of you who have stuck around through the post-Webber years.

Cheers.

This might be why a deal doesn't happen. Realistically, we would only be interested in Murphy for K9. Basically, gives us a big expiring next year. If you guys wanted more immediate cap relief, it could be a win-win. But that would only be if a team like the Cavs wasn't willing to part with someone like Hickson to make a deal work. So if a trade like TM-K9 went down, I'd expect it to be literally right before the deadline.

 

[Roaming Gnome]

Even for Martin?

Throw us a trade that could nab us Hibbert.

Here, I'll go first:

JT and Martin

for

Murphy and Hibbert

Not out of the realm of possibility, a bit shocking, but a fine gamble.

I can't lie...That would be a hard package to turn down. Personally, I like it because both positions are spots of need for us. Thompson is a stud that is on par talent wise with Hibbert. Martin's talent is a sweetner to the fact that his contract is rather long and large. Martin is a little injury prone for my taste, but in this deal we'd be essentially be swapping him for Murphy.

I'd at least consider that to be doable, but I don't think the folks on my own board (Pacers Digest) would agree with me.

Pacers fans: Many of us Kings fans feel about Donte the way you guys do about Roy Hibbert. Given that our franchises are in similar positions in terms of long term outlook, ask yourselves this: Would you be willing to part with Roy Hibbert and an expiring (this year) for Troy Murphy?

Trust me, you don't have to spell out why you wouldn't want to deal with Bird and Co for the end result to be Murphy, especially for a trade that loses you Donte.

Personally, I'd rather deal with the Kings than anyone in the east, especially anyone "in division" if the outcome is just going to be letting Murphy go for a Salary Dump. In the end, I'm pretty confident that Milwaukee isn't giving up Ilyasova and a Salary Dump for Murphy just as Petrie won't give up any of your young talent plus the Salary Dump.

At 3pm on Thursday, I see Bird either keeping Murphy, or just taking an offer that is currently on the table. I don't see any GM interested in Murphy giving up more then a Salary Dump.

 

[Amory]

I have to admit...I am warming up to the idea of Murphy.

I am not saying that I want to trade Donte, Omri or any draft pick...but I wouldn't mind trading Martin to get him here.

 

[Bricklayer]

I have to admit...I am warming up to the idea of Murphy.

I am not saying that I want to trade Donte, Omri or any draft pick...but I wouldn't mind trading Martin to get him here.

You're warming up to the idea of traidng Kevin Martin for Troy Murphy?

basically:

Kevin for a major piece >
Kevin for an ender + kid/pick >
Kevin for an ender >
Kevin for Troy Murphy

unless you've got oen hell of a follow up trade in place to explian why you would do that

 

[Roaming Gnome]

Ben Bolch
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/64714/20100215/murphy_is_clevelands_plan_b/

If the Cavaliers aren't able to work out a deal with the Suns for Amare Stoudemire, they'll focus their attention on Indiana's Troy Murphy.

According to the Los Angeles Times, the Cavaliers and Pacers have agreed on a deal should Cleveland's pursuit of Stoudemire come up empty.

Cleveland would ship Zydrunas Ilgauskas and J.J. Hickson to Indiana for the power forward.

The Pacers may then waive Ilgauskas.

Well, this is the deal that most of us were kind of hoping for in Pacer land. Manage to fill a need position and give us the Salary Dump a year early. Now, how do we sabotage the Amar'e deal. I'm sure that you don't want any part of Murphy. Oh, I shouldn't say that... Just in case!

 

[Tetsujin]

Well, this is the deal that most of us were kind of hoping for in Pacer land. Manage to fill a need position and give us the Salary Dump a year early. Now, how do we sabotage the Amar'e deal. I'm sure that you don't want any part of Murphy. Oh, I shouldn't say that... Just in case!

Considering that the Cavs are giving up the exact same thing for Amar'e that they would for Troy Murphy, I think the Suns would want more

 

[Sptsjunkie]

Considering that the Cavs are giving up the exact same thing for Amar'e that they would for Troy Murphy, I think the Suns would want more

This is why most moves do not happen until the final 24 hours of the deadline. The Cavs would prefer to use that package on Amare. The Suns probably want more and will see if they can get it. If they can't, they will likely deal Amare to the Cavs. If that happens, the Pacers may be interested in K9 for TM, just to save 11 mil next season. If the Suns get more (say Iggy and Dalembert), then the Cavs will probably be willing to part with a similar package for Murphy or Jamison. If that happens, the Kings may stand pat and take the 9 mil in savings from K9's contract or they may have another trade partner. It will be interesting at the very least.

 

[bajaden]

This is why most moves do not happen until the final 24 hours of the deadline. The Cavs would prefer to use that package on Amare. The Suns probably want more and will see if they can get it. If they can't, they will likely deal Amare to the Cavs. If that happens, the Pacers may be interested in K9 for TM, just to save 11 mil next season. If the Suns get more (say Iggy and Dalembert), then the Cavs will probably be willing to part with a similar package for Murphy or Jamison. If that happens, the Kings may stand pat and take the 9 mil in savings from K9's contract or they may have another trade partner. It will be interesting at the very least.

Yeah you summed it pretty well. Its like playing dominos. Once one falls, the rest start to fall. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of teams asking for a time extension to finalize something at the last minute. I'm not sure why everyone is so down on Murphy. He's a fairly solid player. He's certainly not a star, but he's a good shooter at 49% from the field and he averages around 14 points and 10 boards a game. Not spectacular, but certainly respectable. He's not a good defender and thats his drawback.

So he wouldn't fix our defensive problem, but it we could address that later, then I could see him being part of the rotation.

 

[Smills91]

Yeah you summed it pretty well. Its like playing dominos. Once one falls, the rest start to fall. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of teams asking for a time extension to finalize something at the last minute. I'm not sure why everyone is so down on Murphy. He's a fairly solid player. He's certainly not a star, but he's a good shooter at 49% from the field and he averages around 14 points and 10 boards a game. Not spectular, but certainly respectable. He's not a good defender and thats his drawback.

So he wouldn't fix our defensive problem, but it we could address that later, then I could see him being part of the rotation.

I'm cool with Murphy just as long as the pricetag is K9 and nothing else. He'd shore up our defensive rebounding woes and he'd be a good fit on paper with his ability to stretch the D and give 'Reke driving room.

 

[bajaden]

I'm cool with Murphy just as long as the pricetag is K9 and nothing else. He'd shore up our defensive rebounding woes and he'd be a good fit on paper with his ability to stretch the D and give 'Reke driving room.

Yeah, I meant to add that I wouldn't trade Martin for him. But I'm fine with KT.. I don't think its that bad a deal for Indy. Now if the Cav's are willing to give them more, well I can't blame them for going for it.

 

[swisshh]

Yeah you summed it pretty well. Its like playing dominos. Once one falls, the rest start to fall. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of teams asking for a time extension to finalize something at the last minute. I'm not sure why everyone is so down on Murphy. He's a fairly solid player. He's certainly not a star, but he's a good shooter at 49% from the field and he averages around 14 points and 10 boards a game. Not spectacular, but certainly respectable. He's not a good defender and thats his drawback.

So he wouldn't fix our defensive problem, but it we could address that later, then I could see him being part of the rotation.

So, he's redundant, solves no problems on the team, makes the team less athletic and eats up salary(for one year only) and takes one of the team's biggest trade assets to acquire.

Meanwhile, guys like Haywood and Jordan Hill are up for grabs and the Kings are only mentioned in talks about another unathletic offensive minded stiff.

Gee I wonder why people are so down on the idea.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

So, he's redundant, solves no problems on the team, makes the team less athletic and eats up salary(for one year only) and takes one of the team's biggest trade assets to acquire.

Meanwhile, guys like Haywood and Jordan Hill are up for grabs and the Kings are only mentioned in talks about another unathletic offensive minded stiff.

Gee I wonder why people are so down on the idea.

In terms of acquiring assets, I am down if there is a good one available. Haywood is expiring this year as well and is 30. So doesn't really solve a problem long term and doesn't give us an asset next year. Hill I would not mind rolling the dice on, but the Knicks would want us to take back really bad contracts that would constrict our cap space long term.

As for Murphy, he doesn't really solve a problem, but he becomes a big asset next season. It's funny that people keep saying they don't want to "trade one of our best assets for Murphy" in K9 who has a 9 million dollar expiring. However, after Thursday, K9 will net us nothing and next year TM is an 11 million dollar expiring next year. Again, it's deferring an asset by one season. And in TM's case, he still has game left, so unlike K9, he can be alluring to a contending team as he can help them immediately and be an expiring. I see it as planning ahead.

 

[swisshh]

So, does Troy get playing time then? As bad as Hawes and JT have struggled at times, I'd rather they struggle and learn than have a guy like Troy taking minutes.

Furthermore, it's not a move to win. I worry about the mindset of the team. We saw a brief moment of a team that looked it was going somewhere, but not we're back to a team without direction. Troy Murphy only reinforces that confused look the whole franchise seems to have right now.

 

[Bricklayer]

In terms of acquiring assets, I am down if there is a good one available. Haywood is expiring this year as well and is 30. So doesn't really solve a problem long term and doesn't give us an asset next year. Hill I would not mind rolling the dice on, but the Knicks would want us to take back really bad contracts that would constrict our cap space long term.

As for Murphy, he doesn't really solve a problem, but he becomes a big asset next season. It's funny that people keep saying they don't want to "trade one of our best assets for Murphy" in K9 who has a 9 million dollar expiring. However, after Thursday, K9 will net us nothing and next year TM is an 11 million dollar expiring next year. Again, it's deferring an asset by one season. And in TM's case, he still has game left, so unlike K9, he can be alluring to a contending team as he can help them immediately and be an expiring. I see it as planning ahead.

And again I say find me a guy with an $11million contract and two bad knees who cannot play, and I'll shrug and say why not to this sort of thing.

The problem with Troy Murphy is the same one with Kevin Martin -- these are older high priced vets who WILL play. Who WILL munch up minutes that should be going to our youth. Murphy's very presence on the roster would hinder the only important thing this franchise has -- its youth movement (and also might make a wonderful excuse not to address the frontcourt issues for another two years BTW).

 

[Sptsjunkie]

And again I say find me a guy with an $11million contract and two bad knees who cannot play, and I'll shrug and say why not to this sort of thing.

The problem with Troy Murphy is the same one with Kevin Martin -- these are older high priced vets who WILL play. Who WILL munch up minutes that should be going to our youth. Murphy's very presence on the roster would hinder the only important thing this franchise has -- its youth movement (and also might make a wonderful excuse not to address the frontcourt issues for another two years BTW).

I see your concern, but out brain trust seems to have moved past this. We are in a clear youth movement and players like Noc and Beno (who is younger, but still a vet) are hardly stealing meaningful minutes from the kids. Whereas, last season, I have no doubt Theus would be cranking 60 minutes a night out of them. And there are very good odds we get a big in this year's draft unless we win the lottery or Turner is the BPA (either of whom I would be fine with), but then a trade would certainly be coming.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

And again I say find me a guy with an $11million contract and two bad knees who cannot play, and I'll shrug and say why not to this sort of thing.

The problem with Troy Murphy is the same one with Kevin Martin -- these are older high priced vets who WILL play. Who WILL munch up minutes that should be going to our youth. Murphy's very presence on the roster would hinder the only important thing this franchise has -- its youth movement (and also might make a wonderful excuse not to address the frontcourt issues for another two years BTW).

For the record, I will agree that this move would make even more sense if it was coupled with another move that sent some of our current log jam out of town.