Joe Alexander

I'm not sure why you think he can't dribble. Have you actually seen him play? He can dribble the ball just fine. As a matter of fact he has a pretty good crossover dribble. People look at his turnovers and think he can't handle the ball, but thats not the case. His problem is making bad decisions with the ball, aka John Barry, dribbling into traffic with no where to go. By the same token, he's a pretty good passer, but forces the ball sometimes when its not there. Thus another turnover. This is a guy that when he asked his coach for a key to the gym, his coach said he would if he would just stop dribbling the ball everywhere..

I will make no excuses for his shooting, except to say that he really didn't take that many outside shots, and probably didn't even average one 3pt shot a game. He's a work in progress to be sure. But hey, he has that so called potential. What more do you want?

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That impression did not lessen from what we saw during the competitive three on three games in the second day. His combination of quickness, explosiveness and intensity made him extremely difficult to contain, even if his rawness in the half-court was definitely evident, and the level of competition left something to be desired. Alexander still has considerable work to do on his ball-handling skills, shooting range, footwork, balance and overall technique if he’s to reach his extremely high ceiling as a player. The ball seems to slow him down and he looks a bit out of control with his dribble by the time he reaches the rim on his slashing moves. His mid-range pull-up jumper is not the most refined you’ll find, as he’s somewhat off-balance as he elevates—but he’s so athletic that he is able to recalibrate himself in the air as he reaches the apex of his jump. There are also concerns from what we could see here about his lateral movement on the perimeter defensively as he makes the transition to playing the small forward position fill time.


He cant dribble.
 
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That impression did not lessen from what we saw during the competitive three on three games in the second day. His combination of quickness, explosiveness and intensity made him extremely difficult to contain, even if his rawness in the half-court was definitely evident, and the level of competition left something to be desired. Alexander still has considerable work to do on his ball-handling skills, shooting range, footwork, balance and overall technique if he’s to reach his extremely high ceiling as a player. The ball seems to slow him down and he looks a bit out of control with his dribble by the time he reaches the rim on his slashing moves. His mid-range pull-up jumper is not the most refined you’ll find, as he’s somewhat off-balance as he elevates—but he’s so athletic that he is able to recalibrate himself in the air as he reaches the apex of his jump. There are also concerns from what we could see here about his lateral movement on the perimeter defensively as he makes the transition to playing the small forward position fill time.


He cant dribble.

It's all this stuff that worries me about Alexander. He can't shoot, can't dribble, can't pass, and has poor fundamentals. He may have excellent athleticism, quickness, and size for a SF but these are all raw skills with little substance. It's these types of players that typically fail.
 
Did anyone on this board ever see Alexander take over a game? Really have a huge impact? I saw 3 games of his; two in the NCAAs. Unimpressive. Doesn't have a go-to move; doesn't have a post up game; not really a slasher either. I saw the other guys on his team have more of an impact on the games than he did. If I had no knowlege whatsoever that the draft boards were high on him, I'd say he was a CBA guy, maybe a second rounder.
 
I'm just hoping he gets taken in front of us, then it's not the Kings' problem. It also drops another potential player that could be a steal for us.
 
Where as were posting anti-Alexander articles here, I thought it only fair to post a favorable one. This only the partial article that also had a video of him and Speights. Who I might add also looked good and is still my first choice.

At 16, Alexander came back to the United States to play high school basketball in Maryland, but was lightly recruited his senior year and enrolled in prep school to try to get more buzz.


"I had two sons that were excellent players but just weren't recruited because they grew up playing ball overseas," Steve said. "I knew Joe was a prodigy and we needed to find a way to get him in the system."


Alexander struggled his first two years at West Virginia, where the super-athletic forward was basically relegated to the role of jump shooter. But when Bob Huggins became the head coach at West Virginia, Alexander's role and life changed forever.


"Coach Huggins really taught me the game, he pushed me to be tougher, more aggressive and to broaden my game," Alexander said.


The results were impressive. By March, Alexander was dominating the Big East. He had 32 points and 10 rebounds versus UConn, 32 and 6 versus Pitt, 29 and 10 versus St. John's. Another 34 and 7 versus UConn in the Big East tournament. Two strong performances in the NCAA tournament had scouts starting to talk about Alexander as a legitimate first-round pick.


Since the tournament ended, his legend has kept growing. For the past couple of weeks, reports out of Abunassar's gym have said that Alexander's athleticism was off the charts. He was an untapped treasure who was getting better and better by the day. By the time I hit Vegas, I had four different GMs call me to tell me he was going to be a lottery pick.


Could he live up to the hype? Yes, mostly.


Alexander's athleticism is jaw-dropping. He has a huge vertical jump and explodes off the floor. He has a little scar on his forehead just above his eyes where he hit his head on the rim in a dunk contest.


Joe Alexander's March Madness

Something clicked for Joe Alexander when the calendar turned to March. Over the first 27 games of the season, the West Virginia forward had averaged 14.5 PPG.
But after March 1, Alexander stepped up his game when it counted most, averaging 23.9 PPG. During that span, he ranked fourth in the nation in scoring among those who played at least six games.

NCAA Scoring Leaders Since Mar. 1 (min. 6 games)PPGStephen Curry, Davidson28.9Michael Beasley, Kansas State26.3Rob McKiver, Houston26.0Joe Alexander, West Virginia23.9O.J. Mayo, USC23.7


Where his leaping ability is really impressive is on his jump shot. He gets unbelievable elevation on his jumper. His jump shot is really a jump shot. With his huge leaping ability and high release -- it's virtually impossible to block.


Alexander showed excellent range on his jumper, draining NBA 3s with ease and showing a solid ability to shoot off the dribble. He still scissor-kicks a bit when he shoots which can throw him off balance, but as he smoothes out his form, he looks to be a deadly shooter.


People looking at his shaky 3-point shooting percentages in college might disagree with that assessment. He has not been a very accurate 3-point shooter in games.


That held somewhat true in a three-on-three matchup that pitted


Alexander versus Florida's Marreese Speights. Alexander struggled with Speights' height advantage and missed the majority of his shots. However, he warmed up a little at the end and hit a few big shots down the stretch for his team.


Alexander's problem, both during the season and in the scrimmage, is that he gets rushed in a game setting at times and he doesn't always pay attention to detail. All of that can be corrected and Alexander showed this year that he's learning. He came back in the afternoon workout session determined to play better and rarely missed a basket.


Alexander continues to add strength while keeping off the fat. He had just 6 percent body fat and, according to Abunassar, is one of the strongest kids he's working with. He measured out well with a height of 6-foot-7¾ in socks and 6-foot-9 in shoes. He also has great speed running up and down the floor. His lateral quickness is also excellent.


The other thing to like about Alexander is his aggressiveness. He can play a little nasty at times, shows a lot of competitiveness and isn't afraid to take on anyone. In a light moment, he started sizing up his competition in the draft and predicted he would beat them in team workouts.


Alexander still needs to work on his consistency and ball handling but he's a very intriguing prospect. He should provide direct competition to the other two top small forward prospects in the draft -- Italy's Danilo Gallinari and Syracuse's Donte' Greene.


It will be interesting to see where teams go. Gallinari is the anti-Alexander. He's got high basketball IQ without the elite athleticism of Alexander. Greene is in a similar situation with Alexander -- an athletic small forward still trying to get a feel for the game.
 
Here is another article on Alexander's growth from the coaching point of view. I think the last part sums up why he may go high: they think he is just sratching the surface of his potential.

Even if I honestly don't share the same sentiment...

Only bits of the article is posted, for the entire thing you have to click on the link.

The West Virginia assistant coach remembers the bleak days, long before Alexander took March by storm and asserted himself as one of the best players in the game and his team as one of the last 16 standing. He lived the agonizingly frustrating first days when Bob Huggins came to Morgantown, ran down his roster, failed to spy a post player and decided that the 6-foot-8 Alexander would be the solution, ignoring the fact that the kid had never so much as posted up a doorjamb.


"It was kindergarten post-up," Hahn said. "He had no idea what he was doing, no idea. We had to teach him everything. Ev-er-y thing."

.........................

The very fact that a kid who nine months ago had no clue how to play in the low post is even mentioned as a possible early-entry commodity says everything about the ability of the teacher and the willingness of the student.


"Where is he now? There are still days we look out there and say, 'What is he doing?' So maybe [he's in] 'high school post-up' [now]," Hahn said. "He hasn't even begun to hit the top of the curve."


Hahn paused.


"Scary, huh?" he said.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/ncaatourney08/columns/story?id=3310386
 
Several mock drafts have Joe Alexander going at #8 to the Bucks. I guess they're desperate find at least one person in Milwaukee able to speak Mandarin Chinese with Yi Jianlian. For some reason I think Alexander won't be there for the Kings at #12, but I think Darrell Arthur may be - and he may become a King. I still think Indiana takes D.J. Augustine at #11 and even if they don't, Petrie probably passes on him. He's likely no better than a couple of free agent PG's out there that could be signed and play decent minutes right away. Now, if Beno is not resigned that would be trouble.
 
Alright, I've spent the last two days rewatching 4 games that I recorded of Alexander. I also watched a game that I didn't know I had from the year before. So here's the deal. There are three Joe Alexander's. One from the first two years, when he played mostly on the perimeter, and proved to the world that he couldn't shoot from the outside. Then there's the Joe Alexander at the beginning of this last season, when he was moved into the low post where his athletic ability could be used more effectively. Unfortunally, he really had no low post game. Then there's the third Joe Alexander at the end of last season. The improvement from the beginning to the end is pretty dramatic.
Kingster asked if anyone ever saw him take over a game. Well, he scored 30 pts against Pittsburg in a game that was pretty crucial for them to win in order to get into the NCAA touney. He started out missing everything in that game, and then warmed up and couldn't miss anything. I beleive he ended up something like 11 out of 16, and they wern't all just dunks and layups. He has a very nice turn around jumpshot. In the games I saw, he was very accurate with it out to about 15 feet.
By the way, a couple of weeks later Alexander came back and scored 30 pts against UCONN. Twice in the game Thabeet came out on him when he went up for his jumpshot and couldn't block it. Its very hard to block because he gets such great elevation on it and he has a high release. He's a very intense player and is constantly moving or trying to get position in the post. At this point in time, he really needs work on his dropstep etc. He's very raw in the post, but its not for lack of effort. He also has trouble with tall athletic defenders, but he's so athletic himself, and appears to be a quick study, so I don't forsee that being a long term problem.
On defense, he tries hard, and because of good lateral movement he stays in front of his man for the most part. His biggest problem is going for the pumpfake. As someone once said, if your going stay in front of your man and your going to leave your feet, you better be able to walk on air.

I could go on, but I've probably bored most of you already, so let me finish by saying that Alexander is a player with great athletic ability. If you draft him he going to make mistakes and probably frustrate you. But his upside is that of a star. He may never become one, but I think he will. To imply that he's nothing more than a DL player is ridiculous. He's a hard worker, and he's a confident young man who's not afraid to put himself out there, and he lives and breathes basketball. I don't think we really need another SF, but I do think this guy can eventualy play the post. He's not my first choice, but I certainly can live with him if we choose him
 
Several mock drafts have Joe Alexander going at #8 to the Bucks. I guess they're desperate find at least one person in Milwaukee able to speak Mandarin Chinese with Yi Jianlian. For some reason I think Alexander won't be there for the Kings at #12, but I think Darrell Arthur may be - and he may become a King. I still think Indiana takes D.J. Augustine at #11 and even if they don't, Petrie probably passes on him. He's likely no better than a couple of free agent PG's out there that could be signed and play decent minutes right away. Now, if Beno is not resigned that would be trouble.

I have to agree that Darrell Arthur really looks like a Petrie pick to me, even before I heard the promise rumors. But I really hope I'm wrong because IMO he's not one of the top 12 players that will come out of this draft. I'd much rather take a chance on Alexander, Augustin, Jordan or even Ajinca
 
I have to agree that Darrell Arthur really looks like a Petrie pick to me, even before I heard the promise rumors. But I really hope I'm wrong because IMO he's not one of the top 12 players that will come out of this draft. I'd much rather take a chance on Alexander, Augustin, Jordan or even Ajinca

I agree, I'd rather have Alexander than Arthur - but it's not by a huge margin. I just don't think he's going to be around at #12 with Arthur more likely to still be on the board. And Arthur is not bust material and may turn out to be a very good PF in the NBA. Augustin is just too tiny for my taste, but fills a vital role should Beno not resign. D.J. may very well get taken by Indiana at #11. Thus, all this is bound to give the Kings brain trust horrible migraines. Trade, trade, trades! Move up, move down, just move!
 
I agree, I'd rather have Alexander than Arthur - but it's not by a huge margin. I just don't think he's going to be around at #12 with Arthur more likely to still be on the board. And Arthur is not bust material and may turn out to be a very good PF in the NBA. Augustin is just too tiny for my taste, but fills a vital role should Beno not resign. D.J. may very well get taken by Indiana at #11. Thus, all this is bound to give the Kings brain trust horrible migraines. Trade, trade, trades! Move up, move down, just move!

I don't think Arthur has "bust potential", but I don't think he has "star potential" either. The guys that I listed, imo, have star potential. Of course, I'm really hoping that Westbrook falls to us but I can't see that happening anymore, so I'd be cool with one of those other guys picked, or Randolph
 
I do not think that Joe is the best fit for us now, but I'd rather have him than Arthur or DJ. We need some energy, power, rebounds and hustle, and I believe Alexander can help our team. Yes, he has some minuses but we are not going to get an ideal guy at #12.

Several mock drafts have Joe Alexander going at #8 to the Bucks. I guess they're desperate find at least one person in Milwaukee able to speak Mandarin Chinese with Yi Jianlian.

May be it is not important, but:

1. Yi speaks Cantonese as I remember.
2. There are a lot of Chinese people in Milwaukee and they speak Mandarin. At least, I saw a lot of them 2 years ago :). So, may be they want to select him for them, not for Yi ))))).
 
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May be it is not important, but:

1. Yi speaks Cantonese as I remember.
2. There are a lot of Chinese people in Milwaukee. At least, I saw a lot of them 2 years ago :).

Yi speaks both Cantonese and Mandarin fluently (according to Wikipedia). "A lot of Chinese people" is relative as there's way more (Asians overall) in Sacramento, and tons in places like Golden State (Bay Area), Los Angeles, Chicago, New York - places Yi and Chinese Sports Assn lobbied heavily for him to end up. But you're right - not all that important.
 
Yi speaks both Cantonese and Mandarin fluently (according to Wikipedia). "A lot of Chinese people" is relative as there's way more (Asians overall) in Sacramento, and tons in places like Golden State (Bay Area), Los Angeles, Chicago, New York - places Yi and Chinese Sports Assn lobbied heavily for him to end up. But you're right - not all that important.

My point was that native Cantonese speakers usually do not like to speak Mandarin even if they fluent in it. And we know, that Yi's first language is Cantonese. And yes :)), I know that there are more Asian people in Sacramento, SF and NY. Again, my point was that there are still enough Chinese to entertain Yi in Wisconsin )))

Though, I think you showed an interesting thing about Alexander. I do not think that all people know that Joe was born and grew up in Asia.
That is what I like about him :) because I also grew up there (my Dad worked in oil business in several Asian countries).
 
I think if he falls past Milwaukee, he's going to be a king. So I'm hoping that Milwaukee is really as high on him as they seem to be.

I think you're right on the money with that one, it should help that Randolph's workouts haven't been great or IMO he would go to Milwaukee. It seems like we will take whoever Milwaukee doesn't, I hope that isn't the case though.
 
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